we already covered this earlier. i linked a video where some industry guys podcast interview sandy munro about the cybertruck. die stamp/press molds are hundred million dollar investments that lock you into a design for years to decades. the cybertruck panels are fundamentally flat with some bends that can be done on a simple press brake. they didnt have to do the triangle peak top but it does radically simplify manufacturing.Yeah, that is an unfortunate design decision. There seems a lot of wasted space up front. Although lack of visibility in a Cybertruck thread is probably redundant!
There seems to be a lot of "make it different for the sake of it" rather than "look how we can make it better because we dont need a big space for an engine" going on in EV design. I understand the conservative make it look like a regular car thing to ease people into it but just making something look weird for no advantage seems odd.
I mean I don't think that the actual panels are the thing that's inflating the price of EVs!we already covered this earlier. i linked a video where some industry guys podcast interview sandy munro about the cybertruck. die stamp/press molds are hundred million dollar investments that lock you into a design for years to decades. the cybertruck panels are fundamentally flat with some bends that can be done on a simple press brake. they didnt have to do the triangle peak top but it does radically simplify manufacturing.
munro covers the costs in the video. custom tooling is the most expensive part of manufacturing.I mean I don't think that the actual panels are the thing that's inflating the price of EVs!
The automotive industry is pretty experienced with stamping out curved panels.
Its not really custom tooling if its for a production run of a car.munro covers the costs in the video. custom tooling is the most expensive part of manufacturing.
custom tooling is making the tools for anything that cant be bought off the shelf. you can not buy a die for a unibody car off of anyone's shelf. custom milling a body panel is not an option.Its not really custom tooling if its for a production run of a car.
Stamping out body panels isn't a technically difficult thing at all!
Hasn't this been tried before and there was problems where the vehicle couldn't pop the door during winter with ice over the door?
A police officer couldn’t open the doors because the handles were retracted and bystanders watched helplessly as the car filled with smoke and flames, according to the complaint, which alleges the fire originated with the car’s battery.
“Fire engulfed the car and burned Dr. Awan beyond recognition -- all because the Model S has inaccessible door handles, no other way to open the doors, and an unreasonably dangerous fire risk,” according to the Oct. 10 suit. The complaint lists the cause of death as smoke inhalation and states that Awan had sustained no internal injuries or broken bones in the crash.
The genesis of the door handles was noted in a Wired magazine cover story about Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who insisted on them even though it "was unanimous among the executive staff that the complex door handle idea was crazy," a former executive told Wired in the story posted in December 2018.
The door handle innovation "required incredibly complicated engineering, and it solved a problem that no one else thought was actually a problem. But no matter how forcefully executives objected, Musk wouldn’t yield," the article said.
I don't drive around with the doors lockedSeems pretty weak. Don't all cars not open from the outside when the car is locked?
Other cars don't have a big thing made of their windows being unbreakable.How do first responders open the door with every other car out there? Break the glass?
Not a big deal. If you preheat the car for like 10-15 minutes, ice will melt from the frozen door handles and charge ports. If it's that cold to freeze the car, you'll want to preheat the car anyway before you get in to make the car nice and warm inside. Bjorn lives in Norway and they deal with snow and ice all the time.Hasn't this been tried before and there was problems where the vehicle couldn't pop the door during winter with ice over the door?
Not a big deal. If you preheat the car for like 10-15 minutes, ice will melt from the frozen door handles and charge ports. If it's that cold to freeze the car, you'll want to preheat the car anyway before you get in to make the car nice and warm inside. Bjorn lives in Norway and they deal with snow and ice all the time.
That’s not very green. The best way to warm a vehicle is by driving it, electric included. Provide work with the expelled energy. I typically start the car, scrape the windshield, by then it’s been 1-2 minutes and I’m on the road. Surely Tesla could warm the handles and door so that they would be ready to use in under a minute so you’re not wasting power will a full warmup before driving. That power still comes from somewhere and is wasted.
EVs don't generate significant waste heat like ICE that can be scavenged for cabin heat - driving or not, you'll use more power running heat.
The door-handle system has been the blame of at least one death:
Tesla’s futuristic door handles blamed for death in fiery wreck
A Florida police officer couldn’t open the doors of the Tesla Model S because the handles were retracted and bystanders watched helplessly as the car filled with smoke and flames, according to the wrongful death lawsuit.www.autonews.com
Yeah, that's not how I want to go out:
Cybertruck is in NYC this weekend at the Tesla showroom in lower Manhattan:
I had plans to be in the city today anyway so I will be stopping by. I looked up my order number today apparently I ordered sooner after the reveal than I remembered. Only two days and I'm still ~178k deep. Thanks to the pandemic though I didn't buy a Y so I'm ready for Cybertruck to show up before we start driving again.
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I wanted to stop by today but got swamped with work, do you know how long it's going to be there for? I'd really love to see it in person & get a feel for the size & in-person presence!