Tesla Cybertruck

[rstrohkirch]

? Wouldn't the suit also negatively impact share prices?

If the individual won their lawsuit then they would be awarded damages which would likely cover the loss they took after the price announcement. They could then or may have already sold off any remaining stock. Their stock lost about 25% of it's value after the announcement but it's already climbing back up.

 

[ultimatebob]

Just as a quick reminder, it has been 852 days since the Cybertruck was announced in November 2019.

We're coming up on 3 years now, and I haven't heard anything solid on when people will be getting their pre-orders.

 

[Muadib]

Just as a quick reminder, it has been 852 days since the Cybertruck was announced in November 2019.

We're coming up on 3 years now, and I haven't heard anything solid on when people will be getting their pre-orders.

I put my order in December 2019. I figure that I have a 2-3 year wait from whenever the CT starts shipping.

 

[Commodus]

Just as a quick reminder, it has been 852 days since the Cybertruck was announced in November 2019.

We're coming up on 3 years now, and I haven't heard anything solid on when people will be getting their pre-orders.

Sadly seems to be the product of the habitual gap between Elon Musk's initial prototypes and his ability to translate them to real production units (see: Model 3, or even Falcon Heavy). The bigger concern this time is that Tesla won't be entering a relatively empty field — Chevy, Ford, GMC and Rivian will all have comparable trucks on the market.

 

[Red Squirrel]

This whole preorder thing seems to be an issue with EVs in general. Been looking at options even from the legacy carmakers just to see whats out there and even they are in pre order mode or have notes about going on a waiting list.

It's kind of too bad since I want to see EVs become mainstream but it's not going to happen if they keep them as special order items. People who want to buy a car want to go on a lot, pick one, and drive off with it. If it's really that hard to make batteries maybe they need to start researching a different chemistry that is easier to mine/manufacture, and also cheaper, so they can make the cars the same price or even cheaper than gas versions.

 

[rstrohkirch]

This whole preorder thing seems to be an issue with EVs in general. Been looking at options even from the legacy carmakers just to see whats out there and even they are in pre order mode or have notes about going on a waiting list.

There are a lot of new EVs coming out this year. Generally the big manufactures will do unveils less than a year from production and open up ordering maybe 6 months before production begins. You will generally see information sooner than that though as leaks from mags/sources during product testing. Tesla on the other hand likes to announce products years ahead of time and drip feed a little content here and there.

It's kind of too bad since I want to see EVs become mainstream but it's not going to happen if they keep them as special order items. People who want to buy a car want to go on a lot, pick one, and drive off with it.

Manufacturers don't want that either but obviously there is a part supply issue right now. Plus you may be looking at all these new EVs and concluding that they are special order when they aren't even out yet. Or just struggling to get production going because of supply chain issues.

 

[Kaido]

Just as a quick reminder, it has been 852 days since the Cybertruck was announced in November 2019.

We're coming up on 3 years now, and I haven't heard anything solid on when people will be getting their pre-orders.

I'm currently planning on Christmas of 2024. Maybe. lol

 

[rstrohkirch]

If you didn't plan on buying an upper tier trim then I'd bet end of 2025

 

[manly]

If you didn't plan on buying an upper tier trim then I'd bet end of 2025

So soon? It'll be funny when Tesla adds $20k to the "launch" prices of Cybertruck, and the Elon fanboys will have to decide how to react lol.

 

[Kaido]

If you didn't plan on buying an upper tier trim then I'd bet end of 2025

The ugliness of it threw me off for a few days, then Stockholm Syndrome won out & I pre-ordered one, so I'm probably number 700,000 in line lol.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I am wondering if I'll receive mine as a coffin that I can be buried in ... assuming delivery is when I'm 85 years old (c..2050).

 

[Kaido]

So soon? It'll be funny when Tesla adds $20k to the "launch" prices of Cybertruck, and the Elon fanboys will have to decide how to react lol.

I pretty much expect the $39k model to be non-existent, like the base $34k Tesla 3.

I'm primarily in it for the 500-mile battery. Maybe by the time it launches it will a 620-mile, 4-motor, $99k beast & I can buy that instead of a house! lol

 

[ultimatebob]

I pretty much expect the $39k model to be non-existent, like the base $34k Tesla 3.

I'm primarily in it for the 500-mile battery. Maybe by the time it launches it will a 620-mile, 4-motor, $99k beast & I can buy that instead of a house! lol

Yep... just like the Rivian and the EV Hummer. I fear that affordable EV trucks will be nothing more than vaporware for the next few years.

 

[manly]

I pretty much expect the $39k model to be non-existent, like the base $34k Tesla 3.

I'm primarily in it for the 500-mile battery. Maybe by the time it launches it will a 620-mile, 4-motor, $99k beast & I can buy that instead of a house! lol

Unless battery prices really crater from here, there's no way you'll ever see a $40k CT. I wasn't totally kidding when I said add $20k to those earlier "launch" prices. Look at what they've done with the pricing for Model Y for a rough idea.

Also $40k was way too aggressive and undercut ALL the competition by a mile. Unless truck buyers prefer the F-150 Lightning or whatever else comes out of Detroit, there's just no need for Tesla to price their product so comparatively low. But as Commodus said, there's bound to be a lot of competition in this space. U.S. big auto makes basically all of its industry profits from light trucks rather than passenger cars. (I'm stuffing small SUVs and crossovers into light trucks category even though they really aren't.)

 

[Kaido]

Unless battery prices really crater from here, there's no way you'll ever see a $40k CT. I wasn't totally kidding when I said add $20k to those earlier "launch" prices. Look at what they've done with the pricing for Model Y for a rough idea.

Also $40k was way too aggressive and undercut ALL the competition by a mile. Unless truck buyers prefer the F-150 Lightning or whatever else comes out of Detroit, there's just no need for Tesla to price their product so comparatively low. But as Commodus said, there's bound to be a lot of competition in this space. U.S. big auto makes basically all of its industry profits from light trucks rather than passenger cars. (I'm stuffing small SUVs and crossovers into light trucks category even though they really aren't.)

Frankly I would be amazed if the $40k Cybertruck every truly exists. I mean, they'd sell boatloads of them lol, but why buy a 3 or a Y at a higher cost when you could just get a giant awesome trick for less money? Product line cannibalism risk for sure!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Initial cost is going to be the big barrier for lot of people for EV adoption. I think some kind of effort needs to go towards trying to bring the prices down. Maybe more needs to go into battery tech research to see if we can come up with a tech that is cheaper to produce.

As gas prices continue to go up I keep eyeing EVs more seriously but it just makes no financial sense for me even when the gas prices are higher. I paid 14k for my truck, even a non truck EV starts at around 70k. I am not going to spend more than 56k in gas over the life of my truck.

 

[Muadib]

I just watched this, and I found it to be eye opening.

 

[Kaido]

No door handles. 2023 launch:

https://www.engadget.com/tesla-cybertruck-2023-elon-musk-071706850.html

I'm planning on Christmas 2025 for mine in Elon-time lol.

 

[Kaido]

Real-talk, this link of a Tesla on fire is one of my concerns with the bulletproof glass in the Cybertruck:

https://imgur.com/a/Fk1vCCT

In this situation:

1. The doors wouldn't open
2. The windows wouldn't go down
3. Also, the glove box opens via the touch screen & is set to automatically open after an accident, so if your emergency tool (glassbreaker/seatbelt cutter) is in there, good luck!

Now throw in the Cybertruck features:

1. Bulletproof glass
2. No door handles
3. Presumably electronically-controlled glovebox

Seems like a great opportunity to act like like a metal crematorium! I'm also concerned about the yolk steering wheel; it sounds like there may not be an option for a standard round steering wheel. I tend to drive with my arm on the window sill & my hand resting on top of the wheel, so I'd have to change both my driving habits AND get used to driving with a yolk, which worries me for evasive maneuvers when my brain has been trained for decades to grab the wheel a certain way.

 

[KentState]

Real-talk, this link of a Tesla on fire is one of my concerns with the bulletproof glass in the Cybertruck:


In this situation:

1. The doors wouldn't open
2. The windows wouldn't go down
3. Also, the glove box opens via the touch screen & is set to automatically open after an accident, so if your emergency tool (glassbreaker/seatbelt cutter) is in there, good luck!

Now throw in the Cybertruck features:

1. Bulletproof glass
2. No door handles
3. Presumably electronically-controlled glovebox

Seems like a great opportunity to act like like a metal crematorium! I'm also concerned about the yolk steering wheel; it sounds like there may not be an option for a standard round steering wheel. I tend to drive with my arm on the window sill & my hand resting on top of the wheel, so I'd have to change both my driving habits AND get used to driving with a yolk, which worries me for evasive maneuvers when my brain has been trained for decades to grab the wheel a certain way.

Just like the other cars, there is required to be a manual release inside the car. No different than all the other non-Tesla cars that have non-mechanical door handles like Corvette, Lamborghini, McLaren, Kia, Mach-E and so on. Rescue personnel will be able to shatter the windows if needed for rescue. I would also not recommend putting a glass breaker or seatbelt cutter in your glovebox no matter what you drive. You need to be able to reach it if you are pinned to your seat. If your belt has you locked in place, good luck trying to reach across the car and fumbling with the glovebox.

 

[zinfamous]

the yolk is one of the more obnoxious things about these designs from the perspective of what happens when a singular individual, brimming over with hubris and self assurance that all of their ideas are perfect, insists upon the correctness of a thing without actually understanding, questioning, and of course testing these ideas in the real world.

the insistence of the yolk is a mere symptom of the cascade of problems that won't ever really end with Tesla as long as someone like Musk maintains the current control that he does over the minutia of this company's design. There is absolutely nothing positive from a daily driving requirement that the yolk adds--it only detracts from the experience.

It only exists for try-hards that want to pretend to be professional racing drivers with enough of the torque, but literally zero of the suspension and chassis and steering and downforce put into their toys, which are needed for an actual racing car. It will mean idiots with too much money and zero talent spinning out into ditches and trees, starting little fires.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Real-talk, this link of a Tesla on fire is one of my concerns with the bulletproof glass in the Cybertruck:

https://imgur.com/a/Fk1vCCT

In this situation:

1. The doors wouldn't open
2. The windows wouldn't go down
3. Also, the glove box opens via the touch screen & is set to automatically open after an accident, so if your emergency tool (glassbreaker/seatbelt cutter) is in there, good luck!

Now throw in the Cybertruck features:

1. Bulletproof glass
2. No door handles
3. Presumably electronically-controlled glovebox

Seems like a great opportunity to act like like a metal crematorium! I'm also concerned about the yolk steering wheel; it sounds like there may not be an option for a standard round steering wheel. I tend to drive with my arm on the window sill & my hand resting on top of the wheel, so I'd have to change both my driving habits AND get used to driving with a yolk, which worries me for evasive maneuvers when my brain has been trained for decades to grab the wheel a certain way.

Yeah I'm not a fan of everything being electronic. The glove box, of all things, there is zero reason to make that electronic. And the doors, same thing. Should be manually operated. Electronics just for sake of it is a dumb thing. Also as much as the yoke does look cool it also does not look practical, especially for a truck. Ex: backing up a trailer and you have one hand on the wheel and you're looking behind. Going to be kind of tricky with the yoke.

 

[Kaido]

Just like the other cars, there is required to be a manual release inside the car. No different than all the other non-Tesla cars that have non-mechanical door handles like Corvette, Lamborghini, McLaren, Kia, Mach-E and so on. Rescue personnel will be able to shatter the windows if needed for rescue. I would also not recommend putting a glass breaker or seatbelt cutter in your glovebox no matter what you drive. You need to be able to reach it if you are pinned to your seat. If your belt has you locked in place, good luck trying to reach across the car and fumbling with the glovebox.

Next set of questions:

1. What's the procedure if the driver is incapacitated...no exterior door handles & bulletproof glass?
2. With the glass breaker, how do you effectively & quickly escape from inside of the car if the doors are wedged shut for some reason?

These are mostly outlier situations for the majority of people the majority of the time, but I've been in 4 accidents (been hit randomly all 4 times by other drivers), so I'm extra-paranoid about this stuff lol.

 

[Kaido]

Yeah I'm not a fan of everything being electronic. The glove box, of all things, there is zero reason to make that electronic. And the doors, same thing. Should be manually operated. Electronics just for sake of it is a dumb thing. Also as much as the yoke does look cool it also does not look practical, especially for a truck. Ex: backing up a trailer and you have one hand on the wheel and you're looking behind. Going to be kind of tricky with the yoke.

I wonder if they'll add some kind of AI software for doing trailer movement geometry, that would be pretty cool!

I love Tesla, but after test-driving a Mach-E...the Mach-E's interior is sooooo much better & human-friendly, it's not even funny! I know you can get used to anything in time, but having things like a physical dial on the screen, Carplay, and actual dedicated physical, tactile buttons on the steering wheel are a really big deal for me. I also really liked how it drove compared to Teslas. This was an early test drive, so the software may not have been tweaked, but I completely disagree with everything this guy said in his review about the handling & the driving experience:

The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E disappoints in our first drive | TechCrunch

This is not a review of the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Sport SUV. A few weeks back, I spent two short hours in Ford's upcoming EV. I don't feel comfortable

techcrunch.com

I feel like Tesla pushes the whole "minimalist, electronic EVERYTHING" thing too far for the sake of (1) being cool & modern, and (2) manufacturing efficiency. Great cars, but I have my hesitations about a lot of the design features, particular on the interior.

 

[Kaido]

the yolk is one of the more obnoxious things about these designs from the perspective of what happens when a singular individual, brimming over with hubris and self assurance that all of their ideas are perfect, insists upon the correctness of a thing without actually understanding, questioning, and of course testing these ideas in the real world.

the insistence of the yolk is a mere symptom of the cascade of problems that won't ever really end with Tesla as long as someone like Musk maintains the current control that he does over the minutia of this company's design. There is absolutely nothing positive from a daily driving requirement that the yolk adds--it only detracts from the experience.

It only exists for try-hards that want to pretend to be professional racing drivers with enough of the torque, but literally zero of the suspension and chassis and steering and downforce put into their toys, which are needed for an actual racing car. It will mean idiots with too much money and zero talent spinning out into ditches and trees, starting little fires.

I mean, I think the yolk is really cool...as an optional accessory. I need to find someone with a yolk Tesla to test-drive before I make a decision about the Cybertruck (assuming it's "yolk only"). Tesla ultra-fanboys are too willing to gloss over people's personal boundaries about their preferences, exactly like you said...people get too stuck with "this is the best idea EVER" & "it MUST be this way" to allow for a rational discussion.

Plus just from a practical standpoint, we have like one Tesla repair facility in my state, which is an hour away from me. Some states have massive amounts of support locations for their ICE/EV vehicles. Like in Texas, Ford has no less than 232 locations, so you can get parts fast, get fixed fast, and get back on the road quickly. So there's multiple factors to consider. Like for me, I rent, so while it would be nice to have an extra vehicle as a backup so that the EV could be the primary, I also only have an assigned parking space available lol.

Looking forward to (hopefully!) a 2023 release of the Cybertruck to see the final deets!