Tesla Cybertruck

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Kaido

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I didn't hit me until someone posted the trailer full of them that there is going to be no variation in how they look. Could you imagine if all F150 driving around were all the same color?

I bet a lot of them are going to get wrapped. You can get custom-printed wraps, full-color wraps, and even sprayed wraps now! I just hope the final product looks like what they showed off & not a watered-down version:

 

IronWing

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It's taken so long to get from concept to production that the design is all Alan Turing now.
 

MrSquished

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Not only will this have fit and finish problems, the entire thing is a fit and finish problem.
 

Kaido

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Not only will this have fit and finish problems, the entire thing is a fit and finish problem.

I learned my lesson with my Jeep...never buy first-generation hardware, haha! If they really start shipping this year, I'll consider getting one in for Christmas 2024 lol.
 

Kaido

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Supposedly the production model. Triangle side mirrors. Love that they kept the ice katana.

 
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further, DeLorean had real bona fides as an actual, accomplished car designer, that certainly knew what he was doing. His innovative risks were real, and while risky, worth trying despite his hubris. The car was a bit of a dud, largely due to financing and constant, related tweaks and yeah...all that other stuff, lol. But I do think he's been somewhat vindicated in recent years as the story around his coke deals, if what I've read and seen is fairly accurate, is that this is more of a case of FBI entrapment, on a one-time deal that he didn't really want to be a part of, but was simply a sting orchestrated around his desperation to keep the company going and his people employed.

He never was a cocaine trafficker--he picked up a briefcase in a hotel, once, after pressure from his (wired) assistant, and that was that.

He wasn't a car designer. He gets overglorified because he pushed back against GM (whole Detroit auto industry really) staid idiocy, and pushed for things that, frankly are pretty obvious (put the biggest/most powerful engine in a car you can and then market it to guy's fragile egos). He wasn't a total sham (he did know how to make better cars - but much of that was simply figuring out how to accomplish pretty obvious stuff, whilst butting up against conservative bean counter auto industry culture). Much the same reason Lee Iocca was glorified. Actually DeLorean is basically a younger more brash - for good and bad, version of Iacocca. Bob Lutz is of that kind as well. Frankly all 3 get lauded way too much, although combined they're all less than what we've seen with Musk

People are so focused on the cocaine and for some reason are giving him a pass on why that entire situation occurred, which was because of his basically outright fraud he perpetrated with the car/company (which he got away with - its more complex as the entire thing was a mis-mash of similar we've seen repeatedly happen with some bser slick talking to get government money and investment from celebrities; but he basically got away with it like Turmp has by setting up a bunch of shell companies and other). That's the real issue, is DMC was pretty much a fraud (he sold investors like he had things in place when he really didn't), leading him to scramble to piece together a car to try and prevent it all from collapsing, which both compromised the car itself (made it all show and no real go - and honestly its not that much of a looker), but made him desperate enough to agree to try to traffic cocaine.

Don't just believe this bizarro white-washing glamorizing that Hollywood started pushing (for some reason Hollywood has some weird obsession with, and glorification of horrible people, be it mobsters or lame fraudsters, or the post 2000 recent trend of just total bsing like the Catch Me If You Can liar, Jordan Balfourt, or the upcoming movie based on that one standup comics bs Russian story). Heck he even became a born again Christian because of it.

That's been one of Tesla's issues in general. Even with multiple color options, there's not much variety. Your 2017 Model 3 looks almost identical to someone's 2023 car. That should change with the Highland refresh and future revisions to the S/X/Y, but it's hard to truly stand out in the Tesla world unless you get a custom paint scheme or wrap.

The thing is though, that's not all bad. As I think the Model 3 and S still look pretty good. I feel like what they've done is compressed things, so they've elevated what the base model is by quite a bit, but somewhat truncated what the most prestigious version is. Which I'm fine with, and I think a lot of people actually like that. Sure the flashy/showoff people will be bothered but they'll always be bothered and will just go with whatever gaudy/flashy thing, and they can always do whatever ridiculous nonsense they'll do.

I think the issue is that the Cybertruck really doesn't look that good (and they compromised it in many ways to enable the look, which for a pickup the function following the form is just a bad idea). Further, that form prevents it from enabling it to be used for other. But then that might be to Tesla's benefit if the chassis has had as much issues as rumored.

There's lots of aspects that I think show a lack of real thought and more just Musk and his dudebro brigade sitting around smoking weed and going "what if we like...". For instance, the LED lightbar placement and being behind the single windshield glass, I really wonder how well it will work and if it'll actually just lightup the windshield instead, inhibiting visibility more than helping it. And it also really makes me think we're gonna have a bunch of dbags driving around with that lit up shining right in rearview mirrors.

Tesla's lucky that the market the Cybertruck is going for is kinda full of poor chassis stuff (Tacoma and Wrangler come to mind), where the Tesla powertrain will easily outclass what is currently offered there, so I honestly don't think the chassis will end up being that much of a detriment. But I think most people are more wanting an electric Ford Maverick (or possibly the GM electric truck where it has lots of flexibility).

I think from the design standpoint, they could have fixed the Cybertruck (both made it look better as well as get rid of, or at least reduce the ways the design compromises functionality/practicality), but Musk's ego has gotten in the way. And sounds like the chassis might be similar. I think it might show a glaring potential issue with Tesla too, and why entrenched companies might have a huge potential legup. Seems like Tesla basically scratched together a chassis and tried to tailor it to fit the design of the truck, whereas other companies are developing platforms that offer better flexibility and economies of scale.
 
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Kaido

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Musk's ego has gotten in the way

The door handle thing kills me lol. My buddy has a Model 3 & the handles swing out when you pop them. Except the car freezes over in the winter all the time & he has to come out & chip away on it just to get the thing to open! He finally invested in some de-icer spray that he has to carry around with him all the time in case he comes out of work or the store & can't get into his car haha.
 
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Kaido

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For instance, the LED lightbar placement and being behind the single windshield glass, I really wonder how well it will work and if it'll actually just lightup the windshield instead, inhibiting visibility more than helping it. And it also really makes me think we're gonna have a bunch of dbags driving around with that lit up shining right in rearview mirrors.

I've been looking for the top lightbar in the prototypes...I think it really adds to the look, hope they keep it! But yeah, the physics of it...we'll see lol. I'm definitely not buying the first generation model!

 
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repoman0

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This thing is such a clown car and I am going to point and laugh at anyone I see driving one. Really not sure what the target market is besides Elon fanboys which are in much shorter supply now. People aren’t throwing away $50k on a joke anymore like they were in 2019.
 

DooKey

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This thing is such a clown car and I am going to point and laugh at anyone I see driving one. Really not sure what the target market is besides Elon fanboys which are in much shorter supply now. People aren’t throwing away $50k on a joke anymore like they were in 2019.
The people that spend that kind of money don't care if it's a joke or not. Those people spend on status symbols and will continue to do so regardless of their politics for the most part.

EV's are a niche market. They will never be mass market until they meet more needs than they currently do. They are great for local travel with sufficient public chargers or at home chargers. They suck for most apartment dwellers and folks that drive many miles at a time.

I suspect over time that the battery technology will become better, prices will drop, and natural resource problems/electrical infrastructure will be solved. Until then they don't make sense for most drivers.
 

Kaido

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The people that spend that kind of money don't care if it's a joke or not. Those people spend on status symbols and will continue to do so regardless of their politics for the most part.

For me:

1. I want an EV with a 500-mile range. RAM has one, but I don't do FCA.

2. I love weird cars!
 

quikah

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For me:

1. I want an EV with a 500-mile range. RAM has one, but I don't do FCA.

2. I love weird cars!

I hope you don't actually need 500 miles of range at highway speeds. Tesla's consistently get about 10% less range at highway speeds. I imagine the cybertruck will be much worse given the poor aerodynamics.

 

repoman0

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The people that spend that kind of money don't care if it's a joke or not. Those people spend on status symbols and will continue to do so regardless of their politics for the most part.

I disagree — $50k is pretty close to the average new car buyer these days. It’s a big investment to most people but is no longer a crazy amount of money for a car that only a rich person would spend. Most people want something that isn’t a meme for their hard earned money now that money isn’t free to borrow and can earn a risk free 5.5% (vs paying that in loan interest).

Higher capacity batteries and better range are coming down the line and people won’t have to drive a joke to get it
 

Kaido

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I hope you don't actually need 500 miles of range at highway speeds. Tesla's consistently get about 10% less range at highway speeds. I imagine the cybertruck will be much worse given the poor aerodynamics.


Oh no, that's the whole point...subtract the marketing nonsense, add in real-world performance at highway speeds (65+ MPH), using the radio, using the air conditioning, using the entertainment system (touchscreen, speakers, etc.), being stuck in traffic, etc. I visit clients all over the tri-state area & can fill up my current ICE whip in under 3 minutes from empty (timed it!), so even doing 400 miles of "advertised" range would be iffy for my personal anxieties lol. I've had the chance to drive nearly every on the market over the years (still waiting to drive a Plaid with the yoke steering wheel tho!) & it would be too much hassle to make anything with less than 500 miles of stated range work because of those efficiency losses in the real world!

Also, the Cybertruck aerodynamics aren't as bad as you'd think, haha!

 

Kaido

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I disagree — $50k is pretty close to the average new car buyer these days. It’s a big investment to most people but is no longer a crazy amount of money for a car that only a rich person would spend. Most people want something that isn’t a meme for their hard earned money now that money isn’t free to borrow and can earn a risk free 5.5% (vs paying that in loan interest).

Higher capacity batteries and better range are coming down the line and people won’t have to drive a joke to get it

Some horrible modern statistics:

* The average monthly car payment for a new car is $725
* The average monthly car payment for a used car is $516

 

Fenixgoon

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Some horrible modern statistics:

* The average monthly car payment for a new car is $725
* The average monthly car payment for a used car is $516

yeahhhh that means people are 100% financing a 40k car (for a new car). that's crazy. like i get the average new car price has been going up, but at the same time...goddamn.
 

Kaido

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yeahhhh that means people are 100% financing a 40k car (for a new car). that's crazy.

The national median rent is now $1,995:


Home prices have increased 1,608% since 1970, while inflation has increased 644%:

 

Fenixgoon

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The national median rent is now $1,995:


Home prices have increased 1,608% since 1970, while inflation has increased 644%:

Murica!
 

Kaido

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52% of young adults are now living with their parents:


Primary reasons being:

1. High cost of school
2. High cost of housing
3. Low pay at jobs

As of July 2nd, 2023, the average hourly pay for an American worker in the United States is $28.16 an hour:


Median rent is nearly $2k/mo. Average used car payment is over $500/mo. With A.I. rolling out, I'm curious to see how the government is going to handle job losses, wage gaps, inflation, and the upcoming generation of kids trying to get into the workforce! I always feel extremely fortunate that I have a job in IT, which pays decent & has long-term future prospects in terms of being a field that will be around until I retire in 20+ years.
 

ondma

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52% of young adults are now living with their parents:


Primary reasons being:

1. High cost of school
2. High cost of housing
3. Low pay at jobs

As of July 2nd, 2023, the average hourly pay for an American worker in the United States is $28.16 an hour:


Median rent is nearly $2k/mo. Average used car payment is over $500/mo. With A.I. rolling out, I'm curious to see how the government is going to handle job losses, wage gaps, inflation, and the upcoming generation of kids trying to get into the workforce! I always feel extremely fortunate that I have a job in IT, which pays decent & has long-term future prospects in terms of being a field that will be around until I retire in 20+ years.
Yea, my grandson is 27 and has 60k of student debt. He is living with us to try to save some money. He has what would be considered a "professional" type job with Hennepin County, but makes only about 50k per year. Living on his own would be very tight. This is what Biden doesnt get (or is ignoring) when he brags about how great the economy is. Only makes it obvious that he is out of touch with the middle class. (end of off topic political rant.)

As to the cybertruck not only is it ugly, it just seems impractical. Hardly and ground clearance for a truck, and a very weirdly shaped bed.
 
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