Imagine that mini truck, but electric. I don't know why they can't make something like that here, it would be awesome and actually have more utility value than most newer trucks. The sides on those actually come down to make it a full flat bed which could be nice for larger loads. A lot of people import them, but that is a process and a half to go through.
But that's just your personal preference. People have made big trucks a personality trait, and automakers are happy to keep obliging: these things are huge money makers for them.
i think the problems, redesign, and delays in ramping to mass production raised the cost of the handful of ct they could get out in 2023/2024 so rather than take a loss on each they just raised the price. the defacto scarcity just means the early adopters would pay more, but they were going to do that anyways.That's my bet on the REAL reason Tesla changed the price & specs on the Cybertruck: they could stick it right in the middle of the pack & make money anyway, because people will still buy it for various reasons (because it's a Tesla, because it's a unique design, because it has self-driving, because it goes 0 to 60 in 2.7 seconds, etc.).
But what do you really get with a 48v system? You can make the wires a gauge thinner, so a little bit of weight/cost, what else? Weight is why aircraft use 24v. But on a car that means every light and every electronic is going to be special for this truck.
The asshat overshot the stop line for the pedestrian crossing.
My 2 cents is that the Cybertruck is amazing tech a decade ahead of its time in horrendous and hideous packaging.
Marques is a nazi? Who knew first?Yeah I know right. Shits getting crazy isn't it?...those fucking nazi fanboys are around every corner.
fun fact: patrol officers love missing front lic plates, rear lic plate covers, heavy tinted front/side windows, extra wide wheels without matching fender extensions/mudflaps because it is cause to stop a driver that hasnt committed a moving violation.My state requires a front license plate...curious about how bad THAT'S going to look, haha!
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overshot the stop line for the pedestrian crossing.
My state requires a front license plate...curious about how bad THAT'S going to look, haha!
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Don't recall seeing the images of the crash tests here. Pretty damning that the body is so rigid that the rear axle would be deformed in a 35 mph collision, because of the lack of energy dissipating crumple zones up front. Imagine what that would do the a driver's insides.
I'd like to see your math on a 75% reduction in wire weight from 48V. It's a 75% reduction in amperage, but that doesn't directly translate to 75% in mass on the wires. Even still we're talking probably a 50 pound reduction, and making it to where no off the shelf items will work. I can see a lot of other places to drop 50 pounds on the Cybertruck that doesn't results in nearly as much extra cost. Probably a much bigger weight savings by going to networked control of everything.There are miles of wiring in a modern vehicle. It adds up to significant mass/price, which will be cut by 75% by moving to 48V.
They have wanted to move up from 12V for decades, but inertia of an entrenched ecosystem held change back.
I'd like to see your math on a 75% reduction in wire weight from 48V. It's a 75% reduction in amperage, but that doesn't directly translate to 75% in mass on the wires. Even still we're talking probably a 50 pound reduction, and making it to where no off the shelf items will work. I can see a lot of other places to drop 50 pounds on the Cybertruck that doesn't results in nearly as much extra cost.
Probably a much bigger weight savings by going to networked control of everything.
Where are you finding 2 gauge wire used on a car? The starter? 2 gauge is a quarter inch in diameter.
There is no 2 gauge wire in nearly any car except for maybe for starter cables. The majority of the wiring is 14 to 20 gauge. Going from 16 to 20 is a 61% reduction. I doubt they'd drop past 20, maybe 22 for durability reasons. Which is where the networking signals come in, run a power wire and a data bus to the remote spot on the car, then break it out into a bunch of 22 gauge short wires.It actually seems to result in more than 75% savings in mass.
To find a quick example I checked what gauge wire You need for 120Amps (2 Gauge) and for 30 amps (12 gauge) so our 25% of current capability.
Gauge vs Amps chart:
Next check the weight of those gauges.
weight/1000 ft:
2 Gauge: ~200 lbs.
12 Gauge: ~10 lbs
That's a 90% savings in copper mass. Saving don't end there, they will also impact ease of installation, and size of wire channels, etc...
It's just a LOT better to move 48V.
Standards matter. The extra cost of a 48V battery will negate all savings from the decreased weight and material savings for the consumer. Maybe they will be the front runner and get the whole industry to move to 48V, we'll see. 24V accessory systems have been out forever, nothing really technologically innovative about going to 48V, which makes me think everyone else has evaluated it a decided against it.I don't know why anyone would argue we should just stay stuck with the worse soltuion because change is hard...
There is no 2 gauge wire in nearly any car except for maybe for starter cables. The majority of the wiring is 14 to 20 gauge. Going from 16 to 20 is a 61% reduction. I doubt they'd drop past 20, maybe 22 for durability reasons. Which is where the networking signals come in, run a power wire and a data bus to the remote spot on the car, then break it out into a bunch of 22 gauge short wires.
"I'd hang myself I worked for one of ICE manufacturers" - Instant classic. It is funny because it is true.Very good Video from Hagerty on Cybertruck and long follow-up discussion about the whole experience. An interesting point is he went into it hating the CT and ended up loving it. It took some getting used Steer by Wire, but when he switched back to normal steering he missed it:
"I'd hang myself I worked for one of ICE manufacturers" - Instant classic. It is funny because it is true.
Jim Farley@jimfarley98
They weren't joking. We received the document today, dated Dec. 5th. Thanks, @ElonMusk. Great for the industry!
LoL are you even allowed to have it running while moving?