Tesla Cybertruck

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Zorba

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Your own article had the Plaid braking 100 ft longer. Also you left out all the bits where they talked about the brakes sucking.

"Another reason to fear a 200-mph speed is brakes that got soft during our testing. Although our braking regimen isn't nearly as severe as what a racetrack demands, a warning message reporting the brakes' demise popped up on the dash. Between the flappability at high speeds and the iffy brakes, our helmets are way off to former FIA GT racing driver Andreas Simonsen, who piloted the Plaid to what must have been a harrowing 7:35 Nürburgring lap."


Whoa, soft brakes -- that sounds a lot like brake fade. Honestly are you even trying here?
Don't forget this gem: https://www.consumerreports.org/hyb...lls-short-of-consumer-reports-recommendation/

I also don't trust any company that will release a patch to safety critical systems in 3 days. No way that was properly tested.
 
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AdamK47

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I know it's about as bad as an R8. Cooling issues, bearing issues, and don't get me started on that interior. I've never driven one, sat in one, or even seen one but I just know how bad the R8 is........
See, you just have to dig deep. Sometimes you'll get it wrong like in this case, but that shouldn't dissuade you on revealing your true feelings.
 

bbhaag

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Yeah, you guys might be right. I just need to dig a little deeper and find out why I got so many things wrong. Moving forward I will try and do better.
 
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Heartbreaker

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Come on guys. I think both of you can agree on the Cybertruck being a terrible vehicle. As can everyone. It's something you two share common ground on. Embrace your similarities, not your differences.

Someone getting stuck with a 4x4 isn't news. Pointing and laughing because it's a Cybertruck, is the equivalent of laughing at the iPhone in 2007, because it didn't have a keyboard.
 

repoman0

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Someone getting stuck with a 4x4 isn't news. Pointing and laughing because it's a Cybertruck, is the equivalent of laughing at the iPhone in 2007, because it didn't have a keyboard.
LMAO. Yes, the Cybertruck is going to eventually take half of all automobile market share and 80% of all profit in the sector. It is a paragon of design and all vehicles on the road will eventually follow its lead. What a comparison.
 
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Kaido

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LMAO. Yes, the Cybertruck is going to eventually take half of all automobile market share and 80% of all profit in the sector. It is a paragon of design and all vehicles on the road will eventually follow its lead. What a comparison.

If they had really sold it at $39k, I could kind of see that happening, especially if it had the $7.5k discount. Under $32k for a stamped-out electric truck en masse? That would have SLAUGHTERED the market! RIP F-150! Instead, it proved to be delayed, overly-complicated to build, have less-than-advertised specs, and is FAR more expensive than anticipated.

I think part of it too is that you can get an M3 or MY really cheap (historically) right now. I think the cheapest M3 is $39k. Why would you buy a sedan when you could get a whole truck for the same price? They would have cannibalized their own market. So now you've got $60k/$80k/$100k/$120k (Founder's edition) for the Cybertruck.

I asked several of my reservation-holder buddies what they thought: a Cybertruck or a Ford F-150 for the same price? Price was a HUGE factory previously, so if you have to spend the extra cash, all trims of the F-150 are available TODAY. It looks normal. It has a HUGE frunk. The range is the same. To me, there aren't really any hugely compelling reasons to go with a Cybertruck anymore...there's no cheap model. There's no 500-mile model. You can get a 470-mile model...if you're willing to pay $96,000 & sacrifice a third of your truck bed.

It's just kind of a disappointing release. I understand all of the reasons they did it: time passes & inflation goes up, COVID supply chain issues, product line price cannibalism, extra weight & cost of a huge battery, etc. Which also doesn't bode well for the 620-mile Roadster 2.0! I'm like number one zillion in line because I waited to pre-order the Cybertruck because I was so shocked at the aesthetics, so I probably won't be up for a reservation release until like 2025 at this point LOL.
 

Zorba

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But what if I need to get a sheet of plywood from Home Depot?? HOW WILL I SURVIVE?!
More importantly how will you tow your boat that you might get someday, even though you haven't been to a lake since you were a kid?
 

manly

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LMAO. Yes, the Cybertruck is going to eventually take half of all automobile market share and 80% of all profit in the sector. It is a paragon of design and all vehicles on the road will eventually follow its lead. What a comparison.
Just when you think some of the takes in this thread can't get any dumber, someone compares CT to iPhone's soft keyboard design.

Appreciate @Kaido 's contributions to the forums, but don't understand why he keeps on bringing up the vaporware $39,990 price point.

Only semi-related, but Tesla is finally backing down to the feds:
WSJ - Tesla Recalls Millions of Vehicles Amid Probe of Autopilot Crashes
 

Heartbreaker

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LMAO. Yes, the Cybertruck is going to eventually take half of all automobile market share and 80% of all profit in the sector. It is a paragon of design and all vehicles on the road will eventually follow its lead. What a comparison.

Obviously not, but it's the same kind of empty headed, knee jerk reaction.
 

Greenman

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I would buy a sedan any day of the week over a truck of equal price. I don't need a pedestrian bulldozer to carry my ego around.
I recommend driving a truck for a couple of weeks, you'll understand. I don't mean a hillbilly BMW, but an actual pickup.
 
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I recommend driving a truck for a couple of weeks, you'll understand. I don't mean a hillbilly BMW, but an actual pickup.
Considering I live in a suburb of modest density, smaller spaces, and tighter turns, with occasional travel into even denser parts of the Boston metro - no thanks. I don't hate myself enough to put up with such a driving experience, and I certainly don't hate my money enough that I would willingly flush it down the drain at the gas pump.
 

Greenman

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Considering I live in a suburb of modest density, smaller spaces, and tighter turns, with occasional travel into even denser parts of the Boston metro - no thanks. I don't hate myself enough to put up with such a driving experience, and I certainly don't hate my money enough that I would willingly flush it down the drain at the gas pump.
I get it. Trucks aren't fun in an urban environment. I had to live with that for many years as my work required a pickup, and my projects were all in the city. Like anything else you get used to it. Now I don't need a pickup, but have no intention of selling it because I really do enjoy driving it. I also drive less than 4k miles a year now, down from 30k a year when I was working. On top of that, gas is reasonable around here, and down right affordable if I use my kroger rewards points, $2 a gallon last time I filled up.
 
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Zorba

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I recommend driving a truck for a couple of weeks, you'll understand. I don't mean a hillbilly BMW, but an actual pickup.
I used to drive trucks a lot for work and a hobby I had. Absolutely no desire to own one, which is the only reason I don't own a boat.

I'm guessing based on your past, you are the type of person that gets real utility out of their truck on a routine basis. But a car or crossover would be better for the majority of people the majority of the time.
 

repoman0

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I used to travel a bunch for work to White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Always got the biggest pickup truck the rental place had for the hour drive on what passes for dirt roads beyond the range gates. I get it for off roading and would consider one myself if I did it often. For driving around on actual paved roads in civilization, give me a small-ish fun sedan or coupe with a manual if it's not an EV.

I think we can all agree that there is no situation in which one should be driving a crossover though.
 

Zorba

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I used to travel a bunch for work to White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Always got the biggest pickup truck the rental place had for the hour drive on what passes for dirt roads beyond the range gates. I get it for off roading and would consider one myself if I did it often. For driving around on actual paved roads in civilization, give me a small-ish fun sedan or coupe with a manual if it's not an EV.

I think we can all agree that there is no situation in which one should be driving a crossover though.
Crossover is still much better than a truck.

But I tow my wave runner and go up mountain fire roads in my Forester, wouldn't do that in my Legacy.

Way too many crossovers and most are basically lifted hatchbacks, but I'd rather people get a Rav4 than a F150 or Tahoe.
 

Greenman

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I used to drive trucks a lot for work and a hobby I had. Absolutely no desire to own one, which is the only reason I don't own a boat.

I'm guessing based on your past, you are the type of person that gets real utility out of their truck on a routine basis. But a car or crossover would be better for the majority of people the majority of the time.
I was a contractor. Pickup with 8' bed, lumber rack (fork lift loadable), high side boxes and a decked system. Factory tow package and a dump trailer.
I used it, and still have it.
 

bbhaag

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Considering I live in a suburb of modest density, smaller spaces, and tighter turns, with occasional travel into even denser parts of the Boston metro - no thanks. I don't hate myself enough to put up with such a driving experience, and I certainly don't hate my money enough that I would willingly flush it down the drain at the gas pump.
Take a look at the Ford Maverick. It can do 99% of anything truck related you might need it to and it fits perfect in an urban setting. The crew cab seats four comfortably and it even comes in a hybrid version.

Sure some guys are gonna say it's not a "real" truck because it's not body on frame with bench seats and a 8 foot bed. They are going to say "It ain't got room in the bed for my tools, the feed, and 4 bales of straw" type of guys but lets be honest you don't need that.

Anyway, not sure if you are serious about a truck or not but just letting you know that not all trucks need to be what a lot of people think they should be.
 
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Take a look at the Ford Maverick. It can do 99% of anything truck related you might need it to and it fits perfect in an urban setting. The crew cab seats four comfortably and it even comes in a hybrid version.

Sure some guys are gonna say it's not a "real" truck because it's not body on frame with bench seats and a 8 foot bed. They are going to say "It ain't got room in the bed for my tools, the feed, and 4 bales of straw" type of guys but lets be honest you don't need that.

Anyway, not sure if you are serious about a truck or not but just letting you know that not all trucks need to be what a lot of people think they should be.
Thanks, but trucks of any sort are just not on my list. 1 car household, and we bought an Elantra Hybrid last year. Works perfectly for our needs, from city/suburb tasks for 2, to camping and hiking up in New Hampshire.
 
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Kaido

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Thanks, but trucks of any sort are just not on my list. 1 car household, and we bought an Elantra Hybrid last year. Works perfectly for our needs, from city/suburb tasks for 2, to camping and hiking up in New Hampshire.

I'm not interested in trucks personally. However:

1. The F-150 EV is, hands-down, the best vehicle I've ever driven. Just really really fantastic. Prior to that, the Mach-E was the best vehicle I've ever driven. I like it over any of the Tesla's I've ever.

2. I LOVE the aethestics of the Rivian truck (not so much the SUV IRL).

3. I was primarily interested in the Cybertruck due to the 500-mile battery. 470 miles isn't bad, but at a minimum of $96,000 for that configuration, the price justification to move to an EV to get a longer range doesn't make financial sense. I drive a lot with my job (hours a day at times) & I don't want to have ANY range anxiety. Many of my IT customers have electric car chargers on-prem, but I'd want a VERY comfortable buffer to rely on. I timed an empty gas tank refill on my current ICE & it's under 3 minutes at any of the 168,000 retail fuel locations in America. Plus the extended Tesla battery eats up 1/3 of the bed space, so that's a bummer. And I'd definitely want to have a spare tire, which would eat up the rest of the bed space. So $96k for a 470-mile electric truck with not much storage room available. Not a big seller to me at this point lol.
 
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