Tesla Cybertruck

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Kaido

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37" tires on a Cybertruck...no-go without modifying the fender well:

 

Kaido

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My buddy stopped by the NYC Tesla store to check out the Cybertruck. They don't let you sit in it or test drive it yet, so it was exterior only. His takeaways were:

1. Definitely a truck, not necessarily a "toy" truck.

2. LONG

3. Looks like a fridge from the back (worst angle lol)
 
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bbhaag

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First Cyber-crash:

Dang, imagine waiting 4 years for your new Cyber-whip, only to get hit by a teenager!
Looks like this is a manufacturer owned vehicle driven by a Tesla engineer so it is unlikely the owner waited four years for the vehicle. This will probably be towed back to Tesla so engineers can go over how well the CT performed in a head on collision.

From the pics and accident report posted on Reddit it appears to have performed well and all safety systems deployed as expected with only minor injuries reported by the CT passengers who declined medical assistance.
 

Kaido

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"Pregnant robot guppy lowrider" is the first thing that comes to mind lol

 

Zorba

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Looks like this is a manufacturer owned vehicle driven by a Tesla engineer so it is unlikely the owner waited four years for the vehicle. This will probably be towed back to Tesla so engineers can go over how well the CT performed in a head on collision.

From the pics and accident report posted on Reddit it appears to have performed well and all safety systems deployed as expected with only minor injuries reported by the CT passengers who declined medical assistance.
Considering it's probably 200% heavier than what it hit, it better have done fine. How about the people in the sedan this thing hit?

ETA: article says the only injury was a minor injury in the Cyber Truck and the kids in the Corolla were fine.
 

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Considering it's probably 200% heavier than what it hit, it better have done fine. How about the people in the sedan this thing hit?

ETA: article says the only injury was a minor injury in the Cyber Truck and the kids in the Corolla were fine.
One other minor correction should also be noted. The driver of the truck didn't hit anything. The driver of the Corolla was the one who lost control of the vehicle ramped up an embankment then crossed over into the on coming lane of traffic hitting the truck head on.
 

manly

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Considering it's probably 200% heavier than what it hit, it better have done fine. How about the people in the sedan this thing hit?

ETA: article says the only injury was a minor injury in the Cyber Truck and the kids in the Corolla were fine.
I didn't care enough to RTFA, but supposedly the Corolla's crumple zones allowed its occupants to avoid any injury. OTOH, Cybertruck's lack of crumple zones helped Tesla avoid a big repair bill.

As several of us have imagined, the CT is gonna be a huge problem on the roads if Tesla figures out how to sell hundreds of thousands of them to American drivers.

The big Tesla news of the day is that their calendar Q4 sales were up only 20% YoY, despite fierce price cutting. If this is the new normal going forward (remember they've maintained they could grow 50% every year for many years to come), then the entire foundation of TSLA's valuation is flawed.
 

Kaido

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The big Tesla news of the day is that their calendar Q4 sales were up only 20% YoY, despite fierce price cutting. If this is the new normal going forward (remember they've maintained they could grow 50% every year for many years to come), then the entire foundation of TSLA's valuation is flawed.

My guess is that the $39k Cybertruck doesn't exist because of this. You can buy a M3 for that price...who would buy those if you could just get a truck for the same price?
 

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One other minor correction should also be noted. The driver of the truck didn't hit anything. The driver of the Corolla was the one who lost control of the vehicle ramped up an embankment then crossed over into the on coming lane of traffic hitting the truck head on.
The word "Hit" isn't a statement of fault. The cars hit each other, regardless of it being the fault of the Corolla.
 

Zorba

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I didn't care enough to RTFA, but supposedly the Corolla's crumple zones allowed its occupants to avoid any injury. OTOH, Cybertruck's lack of crumple zones helped Tesla avoid a big repair bill.

As several of us have imagined, the CT is gonna be a huge problem on the roads if Tesla figures out how to sell hundreds of thousands of them to American drivers.

The big Tesla news of the day is that their calendar Q4 sales were up only 20% YoY, despite fierce price cutting. If this is the new normal going forward (remember they've maintained they could grow 50% every year for many years to come), then the entire foundation of TSLA's valuation is flawed.
I'm guessing in reality the Cybertruck people were smart and just said they had minor injuries so if some pain came up later they weren't on the record saying they were fine.

I'd love to know how much of the disappointment was lack of demand vs lack of supply.
 

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My guess is that the $39k Cybertruck doesn't exist because of this. You can buy a M3 for that price...who would buy those if you could just get a truck for the same price?
What the heck are you talking about? The $40k in 2019 dollars doesn't exist because inflation adjusted it would be nearly $50k today.

But the big reason CT is so expensive is that Elon vastly underestimated how difficult it would be to design and manufacture. It was always going to be initially expensive to produce (for example, Rivian loses LOTS of money per unit sale), but supposedly it's worse than anybody at Tesla imagined. IF they solve the production problem, they might reduce the price if that's what's necessary to grow sales. (See current 3 and Y pricing vs. 18 months ago)

The third reason CT is surprisingly over-priced is that has been the industry-wide trend for many years, and exacerbated by the pandemic. There was a correction of sorts in 2023 once supply chain hell was solved, but that doesn't disrupt the long-term trend. Middle class car buyers are being squeezed out of the new auto market, and 7 year loans are becoming normal.

Let's say Tesla produces Cybertrucks profitably at scale in about 2 years. I would still conjecture that if they priced CT similarly to the Model 3 (M3 is made by BMW), Tesla would be suffering heavily on CT's profit margin. I don't think there's any universe where a single motor Model 3 and a single motor Cybertruck have the same price, and it was a big mistake for Tesla to announce the CT this way in 2019. There's certainly a world where consumers want an affordable pickup truck (see Ford Maverick) but CT doesn't fit that paradigm in any way except in a fantasyland vaporware announcement.

I honestly don't mind but I wish you'd stop bringing up the $39.9k price point because it's just not grounded in today's reality.


I'm guessing in reality the Cybertruck people were smart and just said they had minor injuries so if some pain came up later they weren't on the record saying they were fine.

I'd love to know how much of the disappointment was lack of demand vs lack of supply.
Except for the 10 Cybertrucks that were delivered to customers last month, I haven't heard anything about a lack of supply since 2022?

I'm not a Tesla bear, but the fact that they fought a fierce price war in 2023 while benefiting from generous new federal subsidies and managed just 20% growth vs Q4 2022 seems like a huge miss. For the calendar year, unit sales were up nearly 40% which actually is pretty good if one understands the law of large numbers. The question comes down to whether they can still grow sales 40% annually over the next few years, to keep Wall Street happy.
 

bbhaag

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The word "Hit" isn't a statement of fault. The cars hit each other, regardless of it being the fault of the Corolla.
No, the vehicles involved in the accident did not "hit each other". After loosing control of their vehicle the driver of the Corolla crossed a double yellow line entering into oncoming traffic and hit the truck head on. The California Highway Patrols initial summary of the accident verifies this to be true.
 

Zorba

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No, the vehicles involved in the accident did not "hit each other". After loosing control of their vehicle the driver of the Corolla crossed a double yellow line entering into oncoming traffic and hit the truck head on. The California Highway Patrols initial summary of the accident verifies this to be true.
This isn't worth arguing about, but here is the definition of hit "To come into contact with forcefully; strike." In a head on collision where both cars are moving, they both hit each other regardless of fault. I never blamed the CT, so I'm pretty sure you are just arguing to argue.
 

bbhaag

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This isn't worth arguing about, but here is the definition of hit "To come into contact with forcefully; strike." In a head on collision where both cars are moving, they both hit each other regardless of fault. I never blamed the CT, so I'm pretty sure you are just arguing to argue.
Hey, don't blame me because you can't get your facts straight. You were the one who used the words "it hit" and "this thing hit" when in fact the truck involved in the accident hit nothing.

You can dictionary the shit out of the definition of hit but you're still wrong.
 

Zorba

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Hey, don't blame me because you can't get your facts straight. You were the one who used the words "it hit" and "this thing hit" when in fact the truck involved in the accident hit nothing.

You can dictionary the shit out of the definition of hit but you're still wrong.
So what damaged the Corolla if it "hit nothing." Sorry I didn't say "It weights 200% more than thing that hit it." I will take note that in the future I need to ask you for the definitions of words instead of Oxford.

I seriously doubt you'd react the same way if this was a Ram truck instead of Cybertruck and I said the same thing.
 
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