Tesla Cybertruck

[Kaido]

90 miles of range when towing 11,000 pounds in cold weather:

Video notes:

* $13 for a full tank is NOT BAD!
* I wish they had put 4 charging ports in...front & rear on each side. It's on the driver's side rear tire, so you have to back it into a stall.
* Surprising amount of road noise
* Looks like the production model still has the goofy brake lights:



160 miles of range when towing 6,000 pounds on the 320-mile version:

Tesla Cybertruck gets 160 miles of range in first towing test

One of the first independent Tesla Cybertruck towing tests shows the electric pickup truck gets roughly 160 miles of range...

electrek.co

 

[Kaido]

Tesla Cybertruck owners who drove 10,000 miles say actual range range Is 164 To 206 miles out of 320 miles of advertised range:

Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles

Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”

insideevs.com

When InsideEVs alum Kyle Conner from Out of Spec Motoring drove a dual-motor Cybertruck through the night to see how far the EV would go on a full charge, he got a total of 254 miles, 20% less than the advertised 320 miles (on all-terrain tires).

That test was done at a relatively constant speed of 70 miles per hour while the outside temperature was about 45 degrees.

The Cybertruck that passed 10,000 miles is doing even worse in terms of range, but there’s an explanation. The two drivers who are using the EV said that the maximum range with a full battery was 206 miles and 164 miles with an 80% state of charge.

At the same time, they weren’t “babying the truck.”

About 70% of the miles were done on the highway, with the remaining 30% on city roads. A road trip that covered over 1,500 miles was also thrown into the mix.

Tesla Cybertruck Review After 10,000 Miles - Range, Charging, and More

The Tesla Cybertruck continues to roll out to consumers, and now real-world experiences are beginning to surface. The latest comes from a Cybertruck owner who has clocked over 10,000 miles (16,000km), providing a unique insight […]

driveteslacanada.ca

Insurance costs for the vehicle were said to be reasonable at US $465 per month for two drivers with clean records. However, the ownership experience was not without its hiccups. Issues like the main screen blacking out and the non-waterproof bed vault were notable concerns.

ROFL $465 per month insurance?! Plus teething issues, which is why I never buy first-generation hardware anymore, lol!

Also, my state charges 7.75% in sales tax, which is nearly $8,000 on a $100k vehicle, plus we have annual car tax here, so they whack you to some degree every year forever. On a 5-year loan on $100k, that's nearly $1,700/mo for the loan (imagining 0% interest lol),, plus insurance makes it $2,165 per month, plus the initial car tax works out to roughly $650/mo, so you're looking at at LEAST $2,815 a month for the AWD Founder's Edition if you were to spread it out over the first year.

Obligatory where's my $39k Cybertruck

 

[Motostu]

The engine has some pep around town especially if you leave it in 3rd gear. Decent power for its time but nothing special. This was a grocery getter through and through. lol

This thing is a gem though. It even has little old lady notes in the owners manual. She did seem to be overly obsessed with anti theft measures. Was that a thing on late '90s Hondas?

Check this out. The first paragraph in the last scan makes me chuckle.

Not to derail the thread, but IIRC the codes for the radio were needed anytime the battery went dead or was changed in the car. I have vague memories of having to enter the code for the one in my Integra.

 

[IronWing]

I recently purchased a 1999 Honda Accord EX in really good condition. It is a local one owner vehicle and included was the original window sticker from 1999. It just came with what you need and nothing else all for the low price of $22K in 1999 money.

I mean just look at this list of no bs equipment you got for around $41K in todays money.

I got a 135 HP engine, a low fuel light warning, a moonroof, and a slew of other features at NO extra cost. Hot DAMN!
View attachment 92115

^ The last car ever made with real bumpers.

 

[Brainonska511]

I recently purchased a 1999 Honda Accord EX in really good condition. It is a local one owner vehicle and included was the original window sticker from 1999. It just came with what you need and nothing else all for the low price of $22K in 1999 money.

I mean just look at this list of no bs equipment you got for around $41K in todays money.

I got a 135 HP engine, a low fuel light warning, a moonroof, and a slew of other features at NO extra cost. Hot DAMN!
View attachment 92115

It's great that such a barebones was available then and has lasted so long, but that price is equivalent to $38k when I bought my Elantra Hybrid in 2022 (which was around $26k in 2022 dollars). And that vehicle came with a host of much better base features: better safety systems - better crash protection, more air bags, collision avoidance system, blindspots detection; heated seats; wireless Android Auto/Apple Car Play; 50 MPG highway or city.

In short: cars have really come down in price for what you are getting. The real inflation in cost is people opting for unnecessarily larger vehicles that just end up costing the consumer more because advertising is effective.

 

[WelshBloke]

Tesla Cybertruck owners who drove 10,000 miles say actual range range Is 164 To 206 miles out of 320 miles of advertised range:

Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles

Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”

insideevs.com

Tesla Cybertruck Review After 10,000 Miles - Range, Charging, and More

The Tesla Cybertruck continues to roll out to consumers, and now real-world experiences are beginning to surface. The latest comes from a Cybertruck owner who has clocked over 10,000 miles (16,000km), providing a unique insight […]

driveteslacanada.ca

ROFL $465 per month insurance?! Plus teething issues, which is why I never buy first-generation hardware anymore, lol!

Also, my state charges 7.75% in sales tax, which is nearly $8,000 on a $100k vehicle, plus we have annual car tax here, so they whack you to some degree every year forever. On a 5-year loan on $100k, that's nearly $1,700/mo for the loan (imagining 0% interest lol),, plus insurance makes it $2,165 per month, plus the initial car tax works out to roughly $650/mo, so you're looking at at LEAST $2,815 a month for the AWD Founder's Edition if you were to spread it out over the first year.

Obligatory where's my $39k Cybertruck

Ummmm...... Is not this....

Issues like the main screen blacking out

A fairly major issue in that that screen controls a lot of stuff? Or are they talking about something else?

 

[manly]

It's hilarious that $465 per month is reasonable for insurance. Not long ago, that was a car payment LOL.

It's great that such a barebones was available then and has lasted so long, but that price is equivalent to $38k when I bought my Elantra Hybrid in 2022 (which was around $26k in 2022 dollars). And that vehicle came with a host of much better base features: better safety systems - better crash protection, more air bags, collision avoidance system, blindspots detection; heated seats; wireless Android Auto/Apple Car Play; 50 MPG highway or city.

In short: cars have really come down in price for what you are getting. The real inflation in cost is people opting for unnecessarily larger vehicles that just end up costing the consumer more because advertising is effective.

Autos have certainly improved and gotten much safer in 2 decades, but this comparison is also apples and oranges.
The Accord was a high volume mid-sized car and the EX was the top trim level. For that time, it was no barebones car but rather a step up from the LX.

OTOH your Elantra, while an excellent choice, is a compact car and one of the few car bargains remaining. A better comparison would be against a current day Accord EX or CR-V EX, but I'm sure you're right that in many ways you do get more for your inflation-adjusted dollars.

I should stop derailing this thread with nostalgia over the Honda Accord.

 

[quikah]

Ummmm...... Is not this....


A fairly major issue in that that screen controls a lot of stuff? Or are they talking about something else?

In all the previous Tesla's this is not a huge issue as the driving system is separate from screen. So you can shift without the screen. I have rebooted the screen while driving before (cannot remember if the turn signals still work). Since they stupidly put the gear shifting on the screen for the CT and newer Tesla cars, guess you are stuck when things glitch like this.

 

[Kaido]

Ummmm...... Is not this....


A fairly major issue in that that screen controls a lot of stuff? Or are they talking about something else?

My buddy has a Model 3. He ran a software update & the car went BSOD lol. When the tow truck came to pick it up, the driver said that he mostly did Tesla pickups & they were mostly black screens, so you couldn't control much. But yup...that cable connector goes out & you're HOSED lol!

 

[Kaido]

In all the previous Tesla's this is not a huge issue as the driving system is separate from screen. So you can shift without the screen. I have rebooted the screen while driving before (cannot remember if the turn signals still work). Since they stupidly put the gear shifting on the screen for the CT and newer Tesla cars, guess you are stuck when things glitch like this.

The Cybertruck's overhead console has shift buttons above the windshield in the center. Touchscreen is the other way to do it.

 

[Kaido]

It's hilarious that $465 per month is reasonable for insurance. Not long ago, that was a car payment LOL.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to pass on a $3k/mo total bill lol

 

[Zorba]

It's hilarious that $465 per month is reasonable for insurance. Not long ago, that was a car payment LOL.


Autos have certainly improved and gotten much safer in 2 decades, but this comparison is also apples and oranges.
The Accord was a high volume mid-sized car and the EX was the top trim level. For that time, it was no barebones car but rather a step up from the LX.

OTOH your Elantra, while an excellent choice, is a compact car and one of the few car bargains remaining. A better comparison would be against a current day Accord EX or CR-V EX, but I'm sure you're right that in many ways you do get more for your inflation-adjusted dollars.

I should stop derailing this thread with nostalgia over the Honda Accord.

Actually the 22 Elantra is wider and only slightly shorter than a 99 Accord. The Elantra has 1 more cubic foot of interior volume as well. In the US compact cars have become midsize and midsize have become full size.

 

[Red Squirrel]

160 miles is 257km, so that's not TOO bad for towing. Would get me to camp and back with room to spare. And since it's electric I can just charge it at camp if I'm staying there a while.

That insurance is insane though and that is a show stopper right there. It pretty much makes EVs make zero sense financially because you end up paying more in insurance that you'd pay in gas. I pay $160/mo for my insurance and that's for the house and my truck. Around $200ish in gas, maybe. I don't really track it but I fill up maybe every 3 weeks and it's around $150ish or so give or take $20.

I really do hope they don't stop gas vehicle sales like government wants because lot of us won't be able to afford to drive. And that seems to be what they want...but that would be a huge damper on quality of life. EVs in general are more expensive and are basically a write off the minute it's involved in an accident so I can see insurance rates continue to skyrocket.

 

[Greenman]

Tesla Cybertruck owners who drove 10,000 miles say actual range range Is 164 To 206 miles out of 320 miles of advertised range:

Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles

Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”

insideevs.com

Tesla Cybertruck Review After 10,000 Miles - Range, Charging, and More

The Tesla Cybertruck continues to roll out to consumers, and now real-world experiences are beginning to surface. The latest comes from a Cybertruck owner who has clocked over 10,000 miles (16,000km), providing a unique insight […]

driveteslacanada.ca

ROFL $465 per month insurance?! Plus teething issues, which is why I never buy first-generation hardware anymore, lol!

Also, my state charges 7.75% in sales tax, which is nearly $8,000 on a $100k vehicle, plus we have annual car tax here, so they whack you to some degree every year forever. On a 5-year loan on $100k, that's nearly $1,700/mo for the loan (imagining 0% interest lol),, plus insurance makes it $2,165 per month, plus the initial car tax works out to roughly $650/mo, so you're looking at at LEAST $2,815 a month for the AWD Founder's Edition if you were to spread it out over the first year.

Obligatory where's my $39k Cybertruck

That $465 a month for insurance has to be for a 16 year old with 3 speeding tickets and a DUI conviction. I pay $79 a month for full coverage on 2 vehicles.

 

[Kaido]

That $465 a month for insurance has to be for a 16 year old with 3 speeding tickets and a DUI conviction. I pay $79 a month for full coverage on 2 vehicles.

Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles

Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”

insideevs.com

Insurance costs $465 with clean driving records for both drivers minus some old tickets, but it’s worth noting that both users have a lot of miles under their belts.

 

[Zorba]

160 miles is 257km, so that's not TOO bad for towing. Would get me to camp and back with room to spare. And since it's electric I can just charge it at camp if I'm staying there a while.

That insurance is insane though and that is a show stopper right there. It pretty much makes EVs make zero sense financially because you end up paying more in insurance that you'd pay in gas. I pay $160/mo for my insurance and that's for the house and my truck. Around $200ish in gas, maybe. I don't really track it but I fill up maybe every 3 weeks and it's around $150ish or so give or take $20.

I really do hope they don't stop gas vehicle sales like government wants because lot of us won't be able to afford to drive. And that seems to be what they want...but that would be a huge damper on quality of life. EVs in general are more expensive and are basically a write off the minute it's involved in an accident so I can see insurance rates continue to skyrocket.

The insurance is a Cybertruck or Tesla issue, not an EV issue. My Bolt insurance was about $100 more per year than my '17 Subaru Legacy, probably mostly because it was worth twice as much.

 

[WelshBloke]

That $465 a month for insurance has to be for a 16 year old with 3 speeding tickets and a DUI conviction. I pay $79 a month for full coverage on 2 vehicles.

I was $465 isn't that bad when I convert it that's about what I pay.
Then I realised that that's per month and mines per year!

 

[manly]

Actually the 22 Elantra is wider and only slightly shorter than a 99 Accord. The Elantra has 1 more cubic foot of interior volume as well. In the US compact cars have become midsize and midsize have become full size.

Good points, and mostly correct. The current Elantra is very roomy for its class but it's still 4" shorter than the 1999 Accord. It has a little less interior volume but is nearly identical in head and leg room metrics.

My point wasn't so much that the Elantra is a small car (which you've corrected), but that it's an econobox and superb value in today's new car market. OTOH $22k in 1999 was right around the average price, and the EX is Honda's upsell trim level. I actually agreed with @Brainonska511 that you're getting more for your money now, which I hadn't actually thought about because the new car market has gotten so out of hand in the past few years. Besides safety, the thing that changed the most since the turn of the century is reliability. U.S. auto nearly died in 2008 and had to change significantly after bankruptcy. The Korean brands are now global players, and if the Chinese ever finally launch into the U.S., there's likely to be industry-wide ramifications.

In many ways I don't feel China competes fairly in the global economy, so I'm not against keeping them out for as long as possible. But for consumers, their entry into automobiles would probably do a lot to correct the explosion in new auto ASP. There are a LOT of affordable BEVs being sold in China.

 

[bbhaag]

It's great that such a barebones was available then and has lasted so long, but that price is equivalent to $38k when I bought my Elantra Hybrid in 2022 (which was around $26k in 2022 dollars). And that vehicle came with a host of much better base features: better safety systems - better crash protection, more air bags, collision avoidance system, blindspots detection; heated seats; wireless Android Auto/Apple Car Play; 50 MPG highway or city.

In short: cars have really come down in price for what you are getting. The real inflation in cost is people opting for unnecessarily larger vehicles that just end up costing the consumer more because advertising is effective.

I just used the BLS inflation calculator so that is were the $41K came from.

You are correct and that was my overall point. Cars have not become more expensive to purchase it's actually the exact opposite. It's not just cars from the '90's either.

Take a look at this window sticker from a '79 Impala I spotted on a local dealer lost. This bad boy cost $7.7K in 1979. Imagine paying almost $35K today for a vehicle with these features.

Molded foam seat cushions, a trunk light, and one piece of carpet at no extra charge. Hot DAMN!

 

[Zorba]

I just used the BLS inflation calculator so that is were the $41K came from.

You are correct and that was my overall point. Cars have not become more expensive to purchase it's actually the exact opposite. It's not just cars from the '90's either.

Take a look at this window sticker from a '79 Impala I spotted on a local dealer lost. This bad boy cost $7.7K in 1979. Imagine paying almost $35K today for a vehicle with these features.

Molded foam seat cushions, a trunk light, and one piece of carpet at no extra charge. Hot DAMN!
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No AC or FM radio either!

 

[bbhaag]

No AC or FM radio either!

I know right. Imagine walking into a dealer today and they want to charge you $3K just for the pleasure of having AC and a AM/FM radio on a $35K vehicle.

 

[AdamK47]

Bought a 2017 Chevy Spark new in 2017 for $10,183. It of course had AC. Also had a manual transmission. Sold it in mid 2021 with about 30k miles on it for $9,000. Zero issues with it.

 

[bbhaag]

Bought a 2017 Chevy Spark new in 2017 for $10,183. It of course had AC. Also had a manual transmission. Sold it in mid 2021 with about 30k miles on it for $9,000.

Yeah I sold a nugget like that to at the height of pandemic pricing. '09 Pontiac Vibe with over 130K miles with AC and a manual. Got $4K for it. lol Pandemic prices were crazy good.

My nugget had special features to like power windows, power locks, power mirrors, and traction control. It was so special.

 

[repoman0]

Woops

Watch A Subaru Crosstrek Best A Tesla Cybertruck Off-Road

Another instance of a Cybertruck performing poorly off-road. This time it's getting its ass handed to it by a Subaru Crosstrek.

jalopnik.com

 

[Red Squirrel]

I think the CT has lot of potential for off roading, but it needs way better tires, and better user control of what the wheels do. Ex: diff lock as a start. Since everything is software based it should be easy enough to fix these things. That thing where it keeps resetting to on road mode sounds pretty annoying too, they need to fix that. For the price you pay, I would expect better.