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MrSquished

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Oh you again.....the guy who called me a white guy with a small dick because I posted some positive things about Car & Drivers and Hagerty's initial review of the Cybertruck.

You aren't a fucking car guy bro. You could give two shits about cars. Your only reason for being here is to shit on Tesla and Elon Musk. That is why you don't post in any other threads in this sub.

You let your personal biases interfere with your ability to remain objective. That is why you posted a Whistlindiesel video because it showed you what wanted you wanted to see. If you were a car guy you would have instantly known this guys channel is on par with MrBeast or Donut Media. It's for entertainment purposes only.

You are a fucking edgelord bro and you don't even fucking know it.
I'm sorry I said you had a small dick.

Anyway, while I used to be really into cars of all kinds, especially sporty ones, I'm not a huge car guy anymore, but who cares? I mean I keep up on Hybrid SUV's and I look at them as well as hybrid sedans, because that is what I want next. I also check in on the airstream type market as that is a dream of mine for later in life. I do keep up on EV releases just because EV's are an interesting subject to me, and Tesla is in that mold, plus I want to invest in that area, and so far I chose Rivian to buy stock into. I mean anyway, I'm just a renaissance man and that's ok too. But seriously, if you don't think an intelligent person can't see a disastrous product launch when it happens just because they aren't super into trucks, well, that's just nonsensical.

The fact you think this entire thread comes down to me posting this video that you can dismiss, is amazing. There has been so much evidence posted by myself, and others, about what a fiasco this launch is. Even by posting Musk cultists who post their shitty experiences with the CT, but still love it to death (you sound like them). Are you dismissing all the recalls, the documented cases of Tesla owners, the utter dangerousness of FSD, responsible for many deaths and accidents and injuries, all the info we have, all because you don't think I love cars enough? Is Edmunds in on it too with their broken down Cyberstuck? Where does the conspiracy end mr totally normal sized penis man? (seriously, dick jokes on the internet, how fucking thin skinned do you have to be to give a shit about that really)

Again, the weird thing here is your cultish like devotion to this truck and to Musk, when we have the data and info to know how shitty Musk is himself, and how bad the wanktank launch went and is going. So please, enlighten us.
 
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If there would be a high voltage infrastructure down to street level, charging would not be a problem, there could be charging from 10-80% in under half an hour, but that's the other part needed, infrastructure
I don't think that's a particularly large impediment. Many people already have access to dedicated parking, and with typical driving patterns, overnight level 1 or 2 charging is more than sufficient. People just need to adjust how they "refuel" their vehicles.

There are obviously still some issues for those without dedicated parking or longer distance driving. But that could probably be partially solved by partnering with establishments to install L2/L3 chargers where people might spend >30 minutes (eg, grocery parking lots, restaurants, hotels).
 

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I don't think that's a particularly large impediment. Many people already have access to dedicated parking, and with typical driving patterns, overnight level 1 or 2 charging is more than sufficient. People just need to adjust how they "refuel" their vehicles.

There are obviously still some issues for those without dedicated parking or longer distance driving. But that could probably be partially solved by partnering with establishments to install L2/L3 chargers where people might spend >30 minutes (eg, grocery parking lots, restaurants, hotels).
You think from an American living in suburbs pov. I'm talking from a apartment block dweller. There's never gonna be a "every parking spot has a charger" because infrastructure is too expensive to do that, but if they'd do huge recharging spots (50+) or even main streets where you can park and charge in 15-30 minutes, that then message you to remove your car or else... then that would make EVs feasible for a large blanket of people that now can't buy one even if they have the means.
 
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You think from an American living in suburbs pov. I'm talking from a apartment block dweller. There's never gonna be a "every parking spot has a charger" because infrastructure is too expensive to do that, but if they'd do huge recharging spots (50+) or even main streets where you can park and charge in 15-30 minutes, that then message you to remove your car or else... then that would make EVs feasible for a large blanket of people that now can't buy one even if they have the means.
According to the US Census, multifamily housing makes up about 1/3 of all housing units.

And people living in denser areas should actually be discouraged from needing personal automobiles to get around (unless they want to pay for their parking - let's stop giving away valuable street space for personal property storage), given the benefits of density and ease of using other means to get around.
 

mindless1

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Having to go back and remove a vehicle 30 minutes later, that alone would cause me to avoid EVs, and the enforcement and towing costs would probably kill a program like that.

I wouldn't need a pickup to go more than 100 mi. on a charge, nor top off the charge in less than ~12 hrs, already have SUVs that I haul things with but don't take them on long trips. However since I don't want a pickup for everyday use, the value I place on it is that much lower and so it would need to cost well under $40K, and if that's lightly used that would be okay, but something like an aluminum bodied (including undercarriage, nothing structural that is steel), anodized not painted, Maverick Lightning, which of course won't happen.
 

mindless1

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According to the US Census, multifamily housing makes up about 1/3 of all housing units.

And people living in denser areas should actually be discouraged from needing personal automobiles to get around (unless they want to pay for their parking - let's stop giving away valuable street space for personal property storage), given the benefits of density and ease of using other means to get around.
That's called a step backwards, a crappier existence that you'd like everyone else to have, to suit your ideals?

If I live in a dense area, it does not decrease my need for transportation much. Yes I could take a bus, possibly, if all my ducks were in a row which isn't the case for most people, but don't want to, nor to walk back and forth from bus stops in inclement weather. What fun it is to get dressed nice for work, then be sweating bullets while walking there, and waste an extra hour+ per day?

"Valueable street space", is not being given away per se, it is the right of the resident to use this space for parking, with a possible exception of new developments that are required to have driveways and garages if on a public street.

There will never be suitable "ease of using other means to get around", without substantial trade offs. I don't want to live in a noisy, polluted, urban area, and not be able to quickly travel to superior food and other goods suppliers, doctors and other professionals, instead of being stuck with whatever I could, bicycle/scooter, or happened to be on some bus route.

You essentially want people living in communes... the communist ideal where our purpose is to serve the government machine? We should be discouraged from even having parking? Wow. If I want to walk somewhere, bicycle, take a bus, etc, I can still do that while owning automobiles, and to whatever extent I did, they'd last longer. Personal choice is a good thing. Making things more difficult for people is not.
 
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That's called a step backwards, a crappier existence that you'd like everyone else to have, to suit your ideals?

If I live in a dense area, it does not decrease my need for transportation much. Yes I could take a bus, possibly, if all my ducks were in a row which isn't the case for most people, but don't want to, nor to walk back and forth from bus stops in inclement weather. What fun it is to get dressed nice for work, then be sweating bullets while walking there, and waste an extra hour+ per day?

"Valueable street space", is not being given away per se, it is the right of the resident to use this space for parking, with a possible exception of new developments that are required to have driveways and garages if on a public street.

There will never be suitable "ease of using other means to get around", without substantial trade offs. I don't want to live in a noisy, polluted, urban area, and not be able to quickly travel to superior food and other goods suppliers, doctors and other professionals, instead of being stuck with whatever I could, bicycle/scooter, or happened to be on some bus route.

You essentially want people living in communes... the communist ideal where our purpose is to serve the government machine? We should be discouraged from even having parking? Wow. If I want to walk somewhere, bicycle, take a bus, etc, I can still do that while owning automobiles, and to whatever extent I did, they'd last longer. Personal choice is a good thing. Making things more difficult for people is not.
Sorry, but you can only fit so many cars in a given space. Something has to give. One of the ways we can control allocated space is by charging for the space.

I don't see the people in much of NYC complaining that they don't have a car, and that's not a commune. I also know plenty of people in other major cities that don't have cars, and they wouldn't describe their living situation as "a commune".
 

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If there would be a high voltage infrastructure down to street level, charging would not be a problem, there could be charging from 10-80% in under half an hour, but that's the other part needed, infrastructure

It would be AMAZING to have Superchargers at home!
 

Red Squirrel

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Superchargers are what 250kw at 240v right?

That would mean a 600 amp service lol. That's actually kind of insane to consider the infrastructure requirements for a charging station that might have like 10+ of those.

For at home a simple level 2 or even level 1 charger is fine though as you can just charge overnight. It's hard on the battery to charge it fast anyway.
 

sdifox

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Having to go back and remove a vehicle 30 minutes later, that alone would cause me to avoid EVs, and the enforcement and towing costs would probably kill a program like that.

I wouldn't need a pickup to go more than 100 mi. on a charge, nor top off the charge in less than ~12 hrs, already have SUVs that I haul things with but don't take them on long trips. However since I don't want a pickup for everyday use, the value I place on it is that much lower and so it would need to cost well under $40K, and if that's lightly used that would be okay, but something like an aluminum bodied (including undercarriage, nothing structural that is steel), anodized not painted, Maverick Lightning, which of course won't happen.
I am not even sure there is an aluminum ICE car that fits your requirements. Also, new tech is always expensive. It wasn't until Ford's model T that the general public could afford an automobile.
 

mindless1

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Sorry, but you can only fit so many cars in a given space. Something has to give. One of the ways we can control allocated space is by charging for the space.

Why is this a good idea instead of what we already have which is whoever gets to the open space, gets to park there? It still seems to be like you want to punish people for not doing without. Besides, for any given address, for a reasonably designed neighborhood, there would be at least a couple parking spaces in front of each residence, if not also a driveway and possibly even a garage. There is no reasonable need to harass people by making them pay for parking on public streets, then also have to pay to enforce that, and be towing people away as well. It is going to result in all parking being used either way.

I don't see the people in much of NYC complaining that they don't have a car, and that's not a commune. I also know plenty of people in other major cities that don't have cars, and they wouldn't describe their living situation as "a commune".

More and more people, especially as they get older, and I don't mean retirement age, are moving out of the big cities and not looking back. Plus one of the reasons many people in urban areas of big cities don't have vehicles is that the value proposition isn't there, that they are paying so much for housing, and having problems parking nearby, and just settling for poor mobility because they would rather have the big city life.

It's not that they don't really want a car, and in fact, the more wealthy in the urban areas have vehicles.
 

mindless1

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I am not even sure there is an aluminum ICE car that fits your requirements. Also, new tech is always expensive. It wasn't until Ford's model T that the general public could afford an automobile.
Yes, this is why I find current generations of vehicles, excessively priced for features I don't want. I don't want new tech that adds to cost without adding to sustainability, lifespan.

Unfortunately the majority of the tech decreases lifespan and value, with more things to break, more expensive to repair. The used EV market in particular is poor right now, despite the inflated prices of everything else, post-covid.
 
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Why is this a good idea instead of what we already have which is whoever gets to the open space, gets to park there? It still seems to be like you want to punish people for not doing without. Besides, for any given address, for a reasonably designed neighborhood, there would be at least a couple parking spaces in front of each residence, if not also a driveway and possibly even a garage. There is no reasonable need to harass people by making them pay for parking on public streets, then also have to pay to enforce that, and be towing people away as well. It is going to result in all parking being used either way.
Why is it a good idea to give away public space for free? If it's so valuable to people, they should be willing to pay to use it. We devote so much space to free parking and making it so the only way you can reasonably get around is by hoping in your personal automobile. It's not "harassment" to make people pay for the space they are co-opting from the public. That space could always be used for something else: wider side walks, bike lanes, whatever.

And who says a reasonably designed neighborhood has a "a couple of parking spaces in front of each residence"? Maybe I think a reasonable neighborhood has at most 1 on street parking space per building and anyone that wants more should pay to store their private property - like having a driveway or garage, or paying for space from someone else.

More and more people, especially as they get older, and I don't mean retirement age, are moving out of the big cities and not looking back. Plus one of the reasons many people in urban areas of big cities don't have vehicles is that the value proposition isn't there, that they are paying so much for housing, and having problems parking nearby, and just settling for poor mobility because they would rather have the big city life.

It's not that they don't really want a car, and in fact, the more wealthy in the urban areas have vehicles.
More and more, especially as people are getting older, they are actually moving to cities. We can see this because prices for homes in cities are rising much faster than elsewhere. Prices tell us that people want to be able to live in amenity rich areas, which often means sacrificing room for personal vehicles. And as people get older and potentially develop disabilities, those people are still able to get around instead of becoming trapped in their suburban wasteland, unable to get out of their non-ADA home or drive.

And more wealthy in urban areas may have vehicles, but in those denser areas, where parking is limited, they pay for the privilege. In NYC, a place people clearly want to live if you use price as a corollary to demand, 45% of all city households have a car, with only 22% owning a vehicle in Manhattan. And that doesn't even get into people that maybe don't want Manhattan density, but want to live car-light. Plenty of Boston metro cities and suburbs where people can reasonably get by with 0-1 cars per household. They could afford more, but they don't want to literally burn thousands of dollars a year on an unnecessary vehicle.


This whole conversation is like a Yogi Berra-ism: "no one goes there; there's too much traffic".
 

manly

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That's why it would be amazing, haha!
The average adult sleeps about 7 hours every night; the perfect time to charge their BEV (also when rates are typically lowest).

How many annual miles do you drive? Even if you had just 200 miles of range per charge, how often would you need to charge more than once a day? There's nearly zero utility to having SC at home even if it weren't impossible. That is unless you and your partner are operating a ride-hailing service around the clock with one car.
 
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sdifox

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The average adult sleeps about 7 hours every night; the perfect time to charge their BEV (also when rates are typically lowest).

How many annual miles do you drive? Even if you had just 200 miles of range per charge, how often would you need to charge more than once a day? There's nearly zero utility to having SC at home even if it weren't impossible. That is unless you and your partner are operating a ride-hailing service around the clock with one car.
Kaido needs it to power his Tesla Personal Massager.
 

mindless1

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Why is it a good idea to give away public space for free? If it's so valuable to people, they should be willing to pay to use it.

They do, it's called taxes. If everyone's tax bill decreases an equal amount, even then not acceptable to have to put up with that nonsense for residents rather than short term visitors to businesses on public roads.


We devote so much space to free parking and making it so the only way you can reasonably get around is by hoping in your personal automobile.

How does free parking reduce getting around using other transportation methods? It doesn't. Again you just want to punish people to try to make them have more burdens in life, either way.

It's not "harassment" to make people pay for the space they are co-opting from the public. That space could always be used for something else: wider side walks, bike lanes, whatever.

No, it can't, if it's available for paid parking. It is truly ridiculous that you want to countermine the demands of the tax paying public that choose to own and use motor vehicles, in favor of the few who would walk and bike. Besides these are usually the low to no income people who aren't paying much in taxes to support the roads in the first place. Certainly not all, but let's face facts, that it is more often impoverished people using walking and bicycles as their primary mode of transportation in "most" areas of the US.

And who says a reasonably designed neighborhood has a "a couple of parking spaces in front of each residence"?

I just did, and does everyone who picks a home in a desirable area, or else as already mentioned, they instead have a driveway at least, if not also a garage.

Maybe I think a reasonable neighborhood has at most 1 on street parking space per building and anyone that wants more should pay to store their private property - like having a driveway or garage, or paying for space from someone else.

Then you can live in that type of slum and suffer. Nobody is stopping you. It still comes back to, that you'd like to make life worse for others who don't have your delusions about the need to downgrade quality of life. I do accept that many americans live in excess, but the ideas you propose, should be about freedom of choice. If someone chooses not to own or park a vehicle in their free parking spot, that is their choice.


More and more, especially as people are getting older, they are actually moving to cities. We can see this because prices for homes in cities are rising much faster than elsewhere.

No, unless you mean retirement communities. Prices for homes in cities are rising simply because of supply and demand, that the population continues to grow but most cities have reasonable limits on further expansion. The suburbs already take up the adjacent land worthy of use. If anything, your argument illustrates one of my points, that it is just a lower quality of life and paying more to have it, to choose an urban area that doesn't even have parking, then be stuck having to walk and bicycle everywhere, or pay even more for taxis/uber, or get mugged waiting for busses, or on them, or subways. What a lovely life. Not. Older people do not want that lifestyle, quite the opposite, they are degrading in health and not wanting to walk and bicycle to meet basic needs.

Prices tell us that people want to be able to live in amenity rich areas, which often means sacrificing room for personal vehicles.

Completely backwards. The more expensive homes in the more expensive areas, have not just parking, but 2+ car garages. Paying a premium for some little urban unit tends to be what single people do, or at least those who are childless, as these space constrained homes tend to not even have much of a backyard to play in, and enjoy the outdoors in general without having to (I guess walk or ride a bike, lol?) travel just to see more than a token gesture of trees and grass.


And as people get older and potentially develop disabilities, those people are still able to get around instead of becoming trapped in their suburban wasteland, unable to get out of their non-ADA home or drive.

If someone doesn't have the mental or physical capabilities to drive, then you think it is wise for them to be roaming urban streets? Ridiculous. Suburbia is wonderful, where most seniors prefer to be, until forced aka feel it is best, to go into a nursing home, yet more and more seniors prefer to just ride it out and die in their nice, suburban home. They most definitely do not want the noise and chaos of urban life in "most" urban areas.

And more wealthy in urban areas may have vehicles, but in those denser areas, where parking is limited, they pay for the privilege. In NYC, a place people clearly want to live if you use price as a corollary to demand, 45% of all city households have a car, with only 22% owning a vehicle in Manhattan. And that doesn't even get into people that maybe don't want Manhattan density, but want to live car-light. Plenty of Boston metro cities and suburbs where people can reasonably get by with 0-1 cars per household. They could afford more, but they don't want to literally burn thousands of dollars a year on an unnecessary vehicle.

You are talking about making sacrifices, trading a degradation in one area of life, for something else, which is a personal choice, but you'd like to force your choices on others. How about those who make different choices, if they likewise forced their choices on you? Do you see how this works? It's called freedom.

This whole conversation is like a Yogi Berra-ism: "no one goes there; there's too much traffic".

It's more like you want the US to turn into Chinese slums. You are welcome to live any way you want, as long as you accept that others have the same option.
 
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MrSquished

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Why is this a good idea instead of what we already have which is whoever gets to the open space, gets to park there? It still seems to be like you want to punish people for not doing without. Besides, for any given address, for a reasonably designed neighborhood, there would be at least a couple parking spaces in front of each residence, if not also a driveway and possibly even a garage. There is no reasonable need to harass people by making them pay for parking on public streets, then also have to pay to enforce that, and be towing people away as well. It is going to result in all parking being used either way.



More and more people, especially as they get older, and I don't mean retirement age, are moving out of the big cities and not looking back. Plus one of the reasons many people in urban areas of big cities don't have vehicles is that the value proposition isn't there, that they are paying so much for housing, and having problems parking nearby, and just settling for poor mobility because they would rather have the big city life.

It's not that they don't really want a car, and in fact, the more wealthy in the urban areas have vehicles.
NYC is a city with amazing mobility in massive parts of it, not to mention many European cities - but because you have no idea what mass transit and bicycling can create, and the fact is, we've had this discussion before, but no matter what you have been linked to or told, you still spout the same ignorant nonsense.

btw many old people, if they can afford it, love to be in Manhattan or Brooklyn when they are older. They don't need a car to do jack shit, and they don't have to be stuck in some lame-ass suburban 55+ communities, they can live immersed lives in culture and diversity and options, and not cocooned off playing shuffleboard, bingo, and canasta and die a slow boring death.

you calling some of our great cities Chinese slums just reveals how much of an unevolved caveman you are and will always be. And when @Red Squirrel likes a long post of your total ignorant drivel, you know you are in the company of idiots. Everybody in P&N knows how far gone you are. Everyone else should too.
 
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Kaido

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The average adult sleeps about 7 hours every night; the perfect time to charge their BEV (also when rates are typically lowest).

How many annual miles do you drive? Even if you had just 200 miles of range per charge, how often would you need to charge more than once a day? There's nearly zero utility to having SC at home even if it weren't impossible. That is unless you and your partner are operating a ride-hailing service around the clock with one car.

Well now that's just un-American! 🙅
 

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I'm sorry I said you had a small dick.

Anyway, while I used to be really into cars of all kinds, especially sporty ones, I'm not a huge car guy anymore, but who cares? I mean I keep up on Hybrid SUV's and I look at them as well as hybrid sedans, because that is what I want next. I also check in on the airstream type market as that is a dream of mine for later in life. I do keep up on EV releases just because EV's are an interesting subject to me, and Tesla is in that mold, plus I want to invest in that area, and so far I chose Rivian to buy stock into. I mean anyway, I'm just a renaissance man and that's ok too. But seriously, if you don't think an intelligent person can't see a disastrous product launch when it happens just because they aren't super into trucks, well, that's just nonsensical.

The fact you think this entire thread comes down to me posting this video that you can dismiss, is amazing. There has been so much evidence posted by myself, and others, about what a fiasco this launch is. Even by posting Musk cultists who post their shitty experiences with the CT, but still love it to death (you sound like them). Are you dismissing all the recalls, the documented cases of Tesla owners, the utter dangerousness of FSD, responsible for many deaths and accidents and injuries, all the info we have, all because you don't think I love cars enough? Is Edmunds in on it too with their broken down Cyberstuck? Where does the conspiracy end mr totally normal sized penis man? (seriously, dick jokes on the internet, how fucking thin skinned do you have to be to give a shit about that really)

Again, the weird thing here is your cultish like devotion to this truck and to Musk, when we have the data and info to know how shitty Musk is himself, and how bad the wanktank launch went and is going. So please, enlighten us.
Yeah ok bro. Get back to me when you can get a little bit more open minded. It is obvious you have no interest in the car industry and you are only in this thread for one reason.
 

MrSquished

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Yeah ok bro. Get back to me when you can get a little bit more open minded. It is obvious you have no interest in the car industry and you are only in this thread for one reason.
I don't have to get back to you for any damn thing. You're really going to tell me the actual point you're going with is that because I'm not a car geek I can't have a valid opinion on a launch of a vehicle? When they say you don't have a leg to stand on, that's the kind of argument they're talking about.

I'm sorry if that I just geek out with my friends about hybrid SUVs and rivians and a few other electric cars I love, and airstreams, I can't have an opinion on this subject that's valid. Even if the above about me wasn't true you still wouldn't have a point.

Get back to me when you can actually answer any of the reasonable questions I've been asking you the last few posts and you've been avoiding.
 
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