Tesla Cybertruck

[Red Squirrel]

I mean, even the Ecoboost Mustang got a price hike due to COVID & currently starts at $32,000. The 2019 starting price was $27.5k. That's a somewhat reasonable price hike over time (due to inflation) & accounting for COVID supply-chain price hikes. But a $50,000 price hike is literally double the original reservation price of the AWD Cybertruck. Seems...excessive, lol.

Seems all vehicles are insanely priced now and there's not all that much on the used market either other than <2010 era which will be mostly all rusty if they were not getting it undercoated. I think people are just keeping their cars longer given how high the prices are now.

I've been juggling my options for when my truck is beyond economical repair and think I will end up just bending over and paying the absurd prices and going new but I need to make my current truck last at least until my mortgage is paid off. The car payment is basically going to replace my mortgage payment, and I will just do everything I can to make the vehicle last. LineX, ceramic coating, undercoating etc... whatever the best options are. I hear good things about ceramic coating. Probably do that + yearly undercoating.

I'm not dead set on going EV or gas, I will get whatever makes the most economic sense that also serves my needs at the time. If I run into a good used vehicle I might also just go used again. The big thing for me is I need the 8 foot bed and those are getting very hard to find used. I would love if they came up with an EV truck that is single cab with 8 foot bed, and priced it reasonably. Once the mortgage is paid off I could maybe justify that. Buying new is basically like getting a mortgage now.

 

[Brainonska511]

Seems all vehicles are insanely priced now and there's not all that much on the used market either other than <2010 era which will be mostly all rusty if they were not getting it undercoated. I think people are just keeping their cars longer given how high the prices are now.

Are they? I purchased a hybrid sedan in October 2022 during some of the peak demand for new vehicles and paid MSRP, ~$27k. And there are certainly vehicles that still have lower MSRP today.

Perhaps there is more going on, like a populace that thinks that it needs something bigger and fancier, so they fork over more money when buying newer vehicles.

 

[Kaido]

By the way the big price point increases are part of the whole failed disastrous launch by the way. But everybody should know by now that musk over promises and under delivers .I mean either way you look at it it's a disastrous launch.

But also, out of 2 million pre-orders the numbers are still terrible, even taking into account the price increases. The truck not only failed to deliver on price but also on so many other things.

I don't see how anyone can say this is was not a disastrous launch. By every metric it has been

So far, only 16k have been shipped:

Tesla stops taking orders for cheapest Cybertruck, offers $100,000 version now

Tesla has stopped taking orders for the least expensive version of its Cybertruck, which is priced at $61,000, while making the $100,000 version available for immediate order and delivery as soon as this month, its website showed. Demand and supply for the Cybertruck are closely monitored by...

finance.yahoo.com

Cybertruck sold nearly 4,800 units in July - its best month yet and making it by far the best-selling vehicle in the U.S. priced over $100,000, according to Cox Automotive. "They have sold more than 16,000 so far, but sustained high volume at that price point will be a challenge," a Cox spokesperson said in an email.

This will never have mass appeal, at least not unless they sell a 500-mile version for $40k as a utility vehicle, which will never happen lol. They plan to make 200k a year & supposedly have 1 million pre-orders, so that's 5 years of production (in theory), so they're using the current "exclusive" status to scalp premium prices. At $40/50/70k, I can see a good market. At $100/120/136k...I dunno.

 

[Kaido]

Seems all vehicles are insanely priced now and there's not all that much on the used market either other than <2010 era which will be mostly all rusty if they were not getting it undercoated. I think people are just keeping their cars longer given how high the prices are now.

I've been juggling my options for when my truck is beyond economical repair and think I will end up just bending over and paying the absurd prices and going new but I need to make my current truck last at least until my mortgage is paid off. The car payment is basically going to replace my mortgage payment, and I will just do everything I can to make the vehicle last. LineX, ceramic coating, undercoating etc... whatever the best options are. I hear good things about ceramic coating. Probably do that + yearly undercoating.

I'm not dead set on going EV or gas, I will get whatever makes the most economic sense that also serves my needs at the time. If I run into a good used vehicle I might also just go used again. The big thing for me is I need the 8 foot bed and those are getting very hard to find used. I would love if they came up with an EV truck that is single cab with 8 foot bed, and priced it reasonably. Once the mortgage is paid off I could maybe justify that. Buying new is basically like getting a mortgage now.

I have ceramic & it was 100% worth it! Soooo easy to clean!!

 

[AdamK47]

I was actually considering the reverse & assuming the orders were for the higher-tier models:

$50k AWD = now $100k
$70k Beast = now $120k

Both are $50,000 price leaps. In my case:

$40k Base = doesn't currently exist as an option
$40k Base = supposedly will have a $60k option next year, which is a $20,000 price jump (aka an entire base Ecoboost LOL)
$40k Base = my reservation is currently available for the higher-tier model, so the only available option is a $60,000 price hike

The Whistlin' Diesel video is a pretty telling video of the quality of the launch edition. I bet they'd sell a zillion at the $40,000 price point anyway, but that's no longer economically feasible, plus it would cannibalize the 3 & Y market. I dunno about anyone else, but for the Cybertruck price hike costs, I'd rather just buy a second car as a backup & toy lol.

I'm glad the prices are so high.

It means I'll be seeing less of them on the road.

 

[AdamK47]

The door-slam thing was downright disturbing.

I cringe thinking about what that would do to dihedral doors on a McLaren.

 

[manly]

So far, only 16k have been shipped:

Tesla stops taking orders for cheapest Cybertruck, offers $100,000 version now

Tesla has stopped taking orders for the least expensive version of its Cybertruck, which is priced at $61,000, while making the $100,000 version available for immediate order and delivery as soon as this month, its website showed. Demand and supply for the Cybertruck are closely monitored by...

finance.yahoo.com

This will never have mass appeal, at least not unless they sell a 500-mile version for $40k as a utility vehicle, which will never happen lol. They plan to make 200k a year & supposedly have 1 million pre-orders, so that's 5 years of production (in theory), so they're using the current "exclusive" status to scalp premium prices. At $40/50/70k, I can see a good market. At $100/120/136k...I dunno.

There was never a 500-mile version for $40k, so why do you keep doing this? Didn't they have 2M "pre-orders?" How is it only 1M now? LOL

People forget Elon was sleeping in the Tesla factory in 2017 while they were trying to solve Model 3 production woes. I'm not saying that is Cybertruck's fundamental problem, but production scaling is one of them.

If you inflation adjust the $40k price into 2024 dollars, then you're already looking at about $49k. I'm not saying it can still happen, but if they drastically fix the pricing into 2024 dollars, then at least they'd have a chance. But if it comes in at $61k in 2025, it probably isn't going to sell like hotcakes.

It's obvious they've priced CT for failure profit maximization, but that "strategy" will not help achieve their long-term goals. Remember 40%+ YoY unit sales growth for many years to come? LOL

 

[Kaido]

I'm glad the prices are so high.

It means I'll be seeing less of them on the road.

You don't like the Samsung Fridge aesthetic!?

 

[mindless1]

People with lower incomes are actually less likely to own a car, particularly if they live in an urban environment.

Of course, I already stated as much.

Not much point in us beating a dead horse on this topic.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You don't like the Samsung Fridge aesthetic!?

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NGL, a full stainless steel themed garage with stainless steel beer fridge, workbench etc, and then the CT parked in it would be a slick look. I wonder if Bendpak makes a stainless steel version of their lifts. That would complete the look.

 

[MrSquished]

There was never a 500-mile version for $40k, so why do you keep doing this? Didn't they have 2M "pre-orders?" How is it only 1M now? LOL

People forget Elon was sleeping in the Tesla factory in 2017 while they were trying to solve Model 3 production woes. I'm not saying that is Cybertruck's fundamental problem, but production scaling is one of them.

If you inflation adjust the $40k price into 2024 dollars, then you're already looking at about $49k. I'm not saying it can still happen, but if they drastically fix the pricing into 2024 dollars, then at least they'd have a chance. But if it comes in at $61k in 2025, it probably isn't going to sell like hotcakes.

It's obvious they've priced CT for failure profit maximization, but that "strategy" will not help achieve their long-term goals. Remember 40%+ YoY unit sales growth for many years to come? LOL

Apparently Musk did stay at the factory but it was for less than a week, and he went around looking at shit and being as simple as - why do you need three bolts there, just use two! about all kinds of shit he literally knew nothing about.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Apparently Musk did stay at the factory but it was for less than a week, and he went around looking at shit and being as simple as - why do you need three bolts there, just use two! about all kinds of shit he literally knew nothing about.

Of course he knows more than the engineers who designed the damned thing /s

 

[manly]

Apparently Musk did stay at the factory but it was for less than a week, and he went around looking at shit and being as simple as - why do you need three bolts there, just use two! about all kinds of shit he literally knew nothing about.

My point is that all auto manufacturers go through a production scaling "problem" for any totally new car model. The legacy manufacturers typically figure a lot of this out before first shipments based on best practices, but that isn't how Tesla and Rivian do things. I think Rivian is still losing money on every incremental car sale, and their autos are expensive.

If production is scalable and Tesla decides to sell a single-motor (RWD) Cybertruck at a competitive price with the F-150 Lightning, would it sell well? A few years ago, I and many others here were expecting a smash hit (despite the design being a fail). It seems like with good ole boys following Herr Trump's commands that BEVs are un-American, the demand for Cybertruck was largely illusory. It was a combination of Tesla RDF/halo effect and pricing that totally undercut the pickup truck market (including ICE). When the 2019 prices turned out to be as real as FSD, that demand evaporated. As Kaido loves to keep pointing out, there's 2022 Tesla price gouging (which has disappeared), and then there's Cybertruck nosebleed pricing which is unmoored from reality.

At this point, I don't think anybody truly knows what the BEV pickup truck market looks like in 2027. You and I would never touch a CT even at the original fake prices, but plenty of other people would. Kaido dreams about it every night, still.

 

[MrSquished]

My point is that all auto manufacturers go through a production scaling "problem" for any totally new car model. The legacy manufacturers typically figure a lot of this out before first shipments based on best practices, but that isn't how Tesla and Rivian do things. I think Rivian is still losing money on every incremental car sale, and their autos are expensive.

If production is scalable and Tesla decides to sell a single-motor (RWD) Cybertruck at a competitive price with the F-150 Lightning, would it sell well? A few years ago, I and many others here were expecting a smash hit (despite the design being a fail). It seems like with good ole boys following Herr Trump's commands that BEVs are un-American, the demand for Cybertruck was largely illusory. It was a combination of Tesla RDF/halo effect and pricing that totally undercut the pickup truck market (including ICE). When the 2019 prices turned out to be as real as FSD, that demand evaporated. As Kaido loves to keep pointing out, there's 2022 Tesla price gouging (which has disappeared), and then there's Cybertruck nosebleed pricing which is unmoored from reality.

At this point, I don't think anybody truly knows what the BEV pickup truck market looks like in 2027. You and I would never touch a CT even at the original fake prices, but plenty of other people would. Kaido dreams about it every night, still.

Well that took a new turn off subject

 

[Kaido]

As Kaido loves to keep pointing out, there's 2022 Tesla price gouging (which has disappeared), and then there's Cybertruck nosebleed pricing which is unmoored from reality.

At this point, I don't think anybody truly knows what the BEV pickup truck market looks like in 2027. You and I would never touch a CT even at the original fake prices, but plenty of other people would. Kaido dreams about it every night, still.

But maybe they'll sell enough that the prices will drop over time & I can trade in my Ecoboost & then pigs will fly!

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm glad the prices are so high.

It means I'll be seeing less of them on the road.

I'm pretty glad that it looks nearly impossible for it to be made street legal in the UK so I'll never need to worry about it!

 

[manly]

Well that took a new turn off subject

Well the context is why has Tesla sold so few Cybertrucks? Price is the dominant factor, but production scaling is somewhere in the top 5 reasons I imagine.

Anyway, I'm not good enough to know if CT pricing can be fixed, and whether that would lead to healthy sales. It's a very open question right now: do American families even want to buy and drive this monstrosity? For Tesla's sake, if it's a flop, then the best thing that can happen to them is if Elon is forced to relinquish his post as CEO. It doesn't seem likely, and I'm not even saying he's as terrible as he's demonstrated as CEO of X. But giving this fucker $46B for turning "40% YoY growth for many years" to no growth would be an utter catastrophe for anybody who believes in merit.

If they don't fix the pricing, then CT will be relegated to a "halo car" like the Model S and X have been. Arguably without the halo. 🤣

 

[JulesMaximus]

You don't like the Samsung Fridge aesthetic!?

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It’s the kitchen appliance of trucks.

 

[Kaido]

It’s the kitchen appliance of trucks.

I wish they had done something more interesting with the rear. The rest of the truck's angles are pretty fun...feels like a missed opportunity!

 

[sdifox]

I wish they had done something more interesting with the rear. The rest of the truck's angles are pretty fun...feels like a missed opportunity!

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It's a tailgate and given how flat all the other panels are, it has to be boring.

 

[Kaido]

It's a tailgate and given how flat all the other panels are, it has to be boring.

Not even a 'Merica design?

 

[sdifox]

Not even a 'Merica design?

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That doesn't come with the truck does it?

 

[MrSquished]

Like we seen with so many cyber stucks from so many posts and reports from owners, they break down a lot.

Again the Edmunds CT just keeps breaking down! While they are simply trying to do a review of it https://www.threads.net/@edmundscar...QGzePCYzE4mehSw8P-fdxstoQWp7ChDwFru1Lz5gUk8ww

Where is @bbhaag to tell all us any how all of this is all fake news? Those Edmunds guys aren't truck guys! They don't know wtf they are doing they just hate Musk! Or whatever.

 

[Kaido]

Like we seen with so many cyber stucks from so many posts and reports from owners, they break down a lot.

Again the Edmunds CT just keeps breaking down! While they are simply trying to do a review of it https://www.threads.net/@edmundscar...QGzePCYzE4mehSw8P-fdxstoQWp7ChDwFru1Lz5gUk8ww

Where is @bbhaag to tell all us any how all of this is all fake news? Those Edmunds guys aren't truck guys! They don't know wtf they are doing they just hate Musk! Or whatever.

I learned the "never buy first-generation hardware" rule with my first-year Jeep Renegade. The Cybertruck is a bit of a hatchet job that missed the mark in many ways (price, range, actual offroad functionality, general social acceptance, delivered feature set, etc.). It will improve over time, but everyone who owns one right now is essentially a beta-tester.

I still want one, even tho I make fun of it lol. I just don't $100,000 care haha. I was interested in both the cheap one & the long-range one, but $116k for 470 miles doesn't really make economic sense to me, as I'm on a pleb budget lol.

 

[Kaido]

That doesn't come with the truck does it?

I sure hope not lol