Yep. These days if you're in a regular sedan, you can't even see farther than the back of the car (SUV/truck) in front of you.
about this: escalation. The only reason that sitting higher is a benefit now is because everyone else is now driving uselessly stupid giant vehicles. You can't see around them because everyone is putting walls on the road. There isn't anything inherently safer about that driving position, when considered on its own. In fact--it's less safe, because it creates detachment from the road. I'm one of those that definitely does enjoy the increased ride comfort that we are getting in nicer and nicer cars, but without that physical response that you historically get from driving, humans are becoming less aware of what they are actually doing. This is putting people to sleep faster, as they feel that now their cars are doing all the work for them, removing all those pesky "annoyances" that driving used to require. ...I guess that's two separate issues: stupid humans that prefer tanks to actual vehicles, and better suspension across all platforms.
See, that's why I was hoping the Elio would take off...you could have a commuter car for daily use, and then keep your truck or whatever for snowy days or towing or what have you.
But with the Cybertruck, I mean...you can order one with a 500-mile battery & it won't eat your wallet every week in fuel charges. Cheaper than a new RV, too!
I have to say, it's really grown on me. I'm super excited to get one. Even my wife is on the fence about her Y now...she may swap that out for a truck instead, and she doesn't even like trucks (and also thinks the Cybertruck is super ugly, lol)...but we both hate minivans, but would love to have the extra space!
All I need now is for a huge pile of money to magically appear lol.
Searching for images of the truck's bed leads me to conclude that the bed is missing/unfinished in the prototype.
I also think that a production model would lose the high tapering side walls on the bed portion. The slanting walls aren't practical if one is interested in using the bed to carry stuff. Loading and unloading would suck.
Name one. There are none. Manufacture, transportation, installation, maintenance, replacement, land, and caps on total output all mean that society is not using zero emission power, but then the EV wasn't zero emissions to make either, so it all ends up a bit ridiculous that people pretend they are green, unless those people are the exact opposite of a green minded individual, someone who insists on putting on a lot of miles per year.There are lots of power generation methods that are zero-emission.
about this: escalation. The only reason that sitting higher is a benefit now is because everyone else is now driving uselessly stupid giant vehicles. You can't see around them because everyone is putting walls on the road.
There isn't anything inherently safer about that driving position, when considered on its own. In fact--it's less safe, because it creates detachment from the road.
I'm one of those that definitely does enjoy the increased ride comfort that we are getting in nicer and nicer cars, but without that physical response that you historically get from driving, humans are becoming less aware of what they are actually doing. This is putting people to sleep faster, as they feel that now their cars are doing all the work for them, removing all those pesky "annoyances" that driving used to require. ...I guess that's two separate issues: stupid humans that prefer tanks to actual vehicles, and better suspension across all platforms.
That's being awfully pedantic. By that reasoning we should never build zero-emission electrical power plants because there would be no preexisting zero-emission power plant to exclusively use for construction of the first one.There are lots of power generation methods that are zero-emission.... Maybe you are doing it too much and using too much power. Surely you didn't think power generation was zero emissions even if done the greenest way possible?
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Name one. There are none. Manufacture, transportation, installation, maintenance, replacement, land, and caps on total output all mean that society is not using zero emission power, but then the EV wasn't zero emissions to make either, so it all ends up a bit ridiculous that people pretend they are green, unless those people are the exact opposite of a green minded individual, someone who insists on putting on a lot of miles per year.
No one is asking for people to live like Doug Forsythe. Green is always going to be defined on relative scales. All in all, even when you account for electricity production and vehicle manufacturing, EVs will pretty much always be better than an ICE vehicle. Apparently, it gets some people's knickers in a twist when people bring up energy conservation, safety of other road users, and the idea that we shouldn't be wantonly destroying the planet.Name one. There are none. Manufacture, transportation, installation, maintenance, replacement, land, and caps on total output all mean that society is not using zero emission power, but then the EV wasn't zero emissions to make either, so it all ends up a bit ridiculous that people pretend they are green, unless those people are the exact opposite of a green minded individual, someone who insists on putting on a lot of miles per year.
Congratulations, you're likely one of the rarer use cases for people who would legitimately need to own a truck.ok smarter than everyone else guy.....
what do you propose we do? ban all trucks? fine people that don't have a load in their truck when the cop sees them?
my use case.
fits 3 dogs ( total about 230 lbs) 4 pairs of skis, stuff for a week in the mountains and 2 people.
tow my tractor ~ 3500 lbs + implements somewhere on my flat bed trailer.
camp in our slide in camper
if we have to go somewhere on a winter day, we have about 15 inches of snow this morning, expecting another 5-10 today.
but most of the time its just me on my way to and from work getting about 18 mpg.
our other car is a volt and we fill up its 9 gallon tank about once a month on avg, just to keep it full.
whats your plan to make people with this kind of use case give up the things they do in life?
I wouldn't mind seeing economic pressure brought to bear on people that are buying inappropriately sized vehicles. They may as well be paying more for the damage their doing to the planet since they are still dumping the cost of their vehicle choices onto the rest of society.make it so expensive that only rich people can have a vehicle that will travel in 20 inches of snow or tow a trailer over a few thousand lbs?
Gas taxes do not cover the entirety of road maintenance, so let's not even bother going down that road. And objectively, the average empty pickup truck is going to be heavier than a sedan.
When those pickups hit pedestrians, they're more likely to die. Hence, more dangerous.We need to talk about SUVs
Americans buy SUVs because they seem safer. But they’re more likely to kill people who aren’t in cars.www.curbed.com
And are passenger vehicles more dangerous when they're small due to their inherent design or because people want to drive their land barges which are then dangerous to smaller vehicles?
There are plenty of sedans with 5-star safety ratings, so I don't really buy the idea that small = dangerous for occupants.
We dedicate so much public space to private vehicle storage, that's why I care. Even private lots at stores - vast wastelands of asphalt for bigger and bigger vehicles.
Pollution and climate change are everyone's problems. These vehicles don't exist in a vacuum. I'm not looking to ban them, but they should actually bear the costs they are imposing on society.
That's being awfully pedantic. By that reasoning we should never build zero-emission electrical power plants because there would be no preexisting zero-emission power plant to exclusively use for construction of the first one.
Solar power, hydroelectric power, and wind power are zero emission. Technically nuclear power too -- when you consider that nuclear waste material is just what's left over after being collected from the earth and concentrated.
I wouldn't mind seeing economic pressure brought to bear on people that are buying inappropriately sized vehicles. They may as well be paying more for the damage their doing to the planet since they are still dumping the cost of their vehicle choices onto the rest of society.
I’m curious what about Rivian impresses you over Cybertruck. I can see someone preferring the traditional look of the Rivian but specs and price wise, Cybertruck is in leagues of its own.I think this announcement has made me even more impressed with Rivian actually.
If I ever do business with Tesla it won't be for a truck.
How does using hydroelectric to satisfy additional demand for electricity emit more CO² than a coal-burning plant? It doesn't, and the EVs driving on that power don't either. It's a fallacy that additional electrical demand = additional CO² production over the existing CO² produced from ICE vehicles that would otherwise fill that role. Simply not true.It's not pedantic at all to face the fact that "zero emissions" is just a lie thrown out there. I don't dispute that some forms of power generation have less emissions than others, but ALL additional power generation over current consumption levels, has additional emissions over using the same tech with lower consumption levels.
It's not pedantic at all to face the fact that "zero emissions" is just a lie thrown out there. I don't dispute that some forms of power generation have less emissions than others, but ALL additional power generation over current consumption levels, has additional emissions over using the same tech with lower consumption levels.
It doesn't all suggest we should never build lower emissions power plants, just dismisses the nonsense that we can just use magic words to justify our consumption levels.
It's a shell game thinking you can buy and build and consume to fix a problem caused by consumption. That's what got us to where we are today.
I’m curious what about Rivian impresses you over Cybertruck. I can see someone preferring the traditional look of the Rivian but specs and price wise, Cybertruck is in leagues of its own.
My guess is Rivian will be more than year late and released about similar time or even later than Cybertruck.
The most expensive tri-motor AWD Cybertruck with 500+ miles of range is going to be about the same price as the cheapest Rivian truck with 230+ miles range. And the performance of the cheapest Rivian truck is no where near the tri-motor Cybertruck. It’s like night and day difference in performance specs. Perhaps you should read up on Rivian specs for the 3 different models. The highest trim Rivian will be over $100k and still inferior in performance specs to the $70k tri-motor Cybertruck. Whether you think the Cybertruck is ugly or not, there’s no denying its monster performance specs.Different leagues? I'm not sure how you arrived at that, they both tow like beasts, 11k vs 14k isn't that huge a difference. More important to me is what looks like better storage and visibility, in a package that doesn't look like something out of a lame sci fi movie.
Personally I have no interest in 2WD trucks, but I think it's cool that Musk is covering multiple price points. Rivian has to be more selective now but that might change, or maybe it will be handled by Ford. FWIW I generally have a high opinion of Tesla cars.
The most expensive tri-motor AWD Cybertruck with 500+ miles of range is going to be about the same price as the cheapest Rivian truck with 230+ miles range. And the performance of the cheapest Rivian truck is no where near the tri-motor Cybertruck. It’s like night and day difference in performance specs. Perhaps you should read up on Rivian specs for the 3 different models. The highest trim Rivian will be over $100k and still inferior in performance specs to the $70k tri-motor Cybertruck. Whether you think the Cybertruck is ugly or not, there’s no denying its monster performance specs.
Cybertruck will also have much better storage than Rivian. Cybertruck has 6.5 ft long truck bed with fully retractable push button tonneau cover with possibly built in solar panels. Rivian will have 4ft long uncovered truck bed. 4ft is really too short for it to be usable truck bed. 6ft should really be minimum length.
Unbelievably fugly. Up until this point, an important part of Tesla's success has been that they sell arguably the best looking cars out there.
But this..