I am visiting San Francisco for work and this morning an old friend picked me up in the P85D he just bought for his wife, also a dear friend. Of course we immediately started talking about the car. He put it in Insane mode (a selectable drive mode) and we did a quick run of 0-45 or so. Holy cow! I have never experienced such savage, relentless acceleration. Really completely nuts that this is a daily driver, but it's actually a comfortable, practical car - just a costly one that accelerates like it was shot out of a cannon.
Welcome to decent power to weight ratio AWD launches.
Well, except its launch isn't particularly impressive for an AWD vehicle and is matched by high end RWD cars.
If you want an impressive launch, try a current 911 Turbo S.
That said, acceleration from a standstill is one of the most boring things to do in a car. Well, any straight line acceleration is, really.
edit: even my lowly RWD car out launches a P85D, and it is not geared for launching at all!
Ahem - does your lowly RWD car reach 60 in 3.1 seconds? Does it out-drag an Aventador? Does it seat 5 comfortably and carry their luggage? I know I'm feeding the troll, but come on ... this is a family sedan that reaches 60 faster than a McLaren F1.
Which Tesla out-drags an Avendator? That lamborghini does 0-60 in 2.7 and quarter mile in in 10.4 per motor trend.
Ahem - does your lowly RWD car reach 60 in 3.1 seconds? Does it out-drag an Aventador? Does it seat 5 comfortably and carry their luggage? I know I'm feeding the troll, but come on ... this is a family sedan that reaches 60 faster than a McLaren F1.
I am visiting San Francisco for work and this morning an old friend picked me up in the P85D he just bought for his wife, also a dear friend. Of course we immediately started talking about the car. He put it in Insane mode (a selectable drive mode) and we did a quick run of 0-45 or so. Holy cow! I have never experienced such savage, relentless acceleration. Really completely nuts that this is a daily driver, but it's actually a comfortable, practical car - just a costly one that accelerates like it was shot out of a cannon.
You're inflating the P85D 0-60 time by a tenth of a second.
Also, I drive a '15 Z06, so yes, it does (excepts some of those folks have to ride under the hatch) . Published 3.2 (just as the P85D), but owners are getting under 3.1.
Maybe I'll just dismiss you as a troll too because you're making things up based on youtube videos of bad drivers.
He's referring to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e-jquwHKtI
The Aventador was not using launch control so not truly a fair competition but impressive nonetheless.
There is no denying that 5,000 lb sedan doing 0-60 in 3.anything is seriously impressive much less 3.1. If I could come up with some way to justify spending that much money on my daily driver it would be at the top of my list. Sadly if I'm going to spend $100k+ on cars it's going to be heavily weighted towards my fun car and not the one that sees salt and potholes during the winter.
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That's exactly my point - for whatever reason Tesla people have some sort of reality distortion field around them, where these sort claims are made to be real. It's akin to me saying I beat a mustang GT on foot, because i took off running while the car is waiting at a red light. Completely asinine.
Repeat after me: Hellcat is faster than P85D by 0.4sec on the quarter mile, Avendator is faster than P85D by 1.4seconds to the quarter mile.
Avendator 10.4 quarter
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/reviews/a18089/2012-lamborghini-aventador-lp700-4/
Hellcat 11.2
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests..._2015_dodge_challenger_srt_hellcat/specs.html
P85d 11.6 quarter
http://my.teslamotors.com/it_IT/forum/forums/motor-trend-p85d-060-mph-31sec-14-mile-116-sec-1152-mph
Don't get me wrong, I love the technology and it's clearly the future (~10 years out?), but all this snake oil marketing rubs me the wrong way, especially if it's goading people that have no biz spending 100K on a car to buy bleeding edge vehicles.
http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around-the-nurburgrin-1600644908
I don't think anyone is (or at least should be) thinking of a big, heavy sedan as an apex of all-around performance. I know I would not choose a P85D or any other luxobarge for a track weekend. That being said, I don't think there is another car that matches the savageness of the P85D's initial (say, 0-20 MPH) launch, because of its AWD and stupid instant torque (864 lb/ft according to Jalopnik's dyno test). This video, against a 458, demonstrates that in spades - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cA1doO_9h8
To me it's nonsensical to push back against the idea that it's amazing that any sedan can do 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, much less one that is so economical to run. At the same time, it's a totally civilized and comfy large sedan when you want it to be. My friend, who owns the car, has a very steep driveway that would make my relatively plebeian E46 M3 scrape like crazy. The P85D, with its adjustable suspension, has no problem with it. It also rides in a civil, comfy manner at all times, despite the fact that it can apparently achieve 1G+ on the skidpad when it's configured for that. I find it a remarkable car all around.
Again where are you getting the 1G plus? Last i heard was .87
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/2014-bmw-i8-vs-2013-tesla-model-s-comparison-test.html
There are a bunch of cars there days in that category of performance/price bucket. The RS7 does 0-60 in 3.4 and pulls CLS 63 does it in 3.2, RS7 0.96 skid pad and 0.9 for the CLS. Both the cars have air suspension.
Literally the niche factor is the electric part, rather than the other stuff you mentioned.
The resultant wheel torque of a car with a transmission stepping down the gearing in 1st is far higher than you seem to understand.
I wonder if they sell the Hellcat with an automatic transmission...
The resultant wheel torque of a car with a transmission stepping down the gearing in 1st is far higher than you seem to understand.
The hellcat jumped the start so he didn't bother with the rest of the run and just did a burnout.
Turns out the the Hellcat driver had never been on a track before this race. It was his first drag race ever.
That was the number Tesla promulgated when the car was first introduced. See, e.g., http://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...-two-engines-and-awd-photo-gallery-87555.html. Testing seems to have shown a somewhat lower number, more like .91 - http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1411_2015_tesla_model_s_p85d_first_test/viewall.html
Frankly I find it amazing that any sedan, much less multiple sedans, offer this level of performance (well, in the case of the cars you mentioned, nearly this level of performance, but there is no way either the RS7 or the CLS 63 offer the off-the-line acceleration of the P85D, because they have nowhere near as much torque and they have to rev to achieve it. The P85D offers nearly 900 lb/ft as soon as the driver puts down his right foot. You're not wrong that the niche factor is a result of the P85D being electric, but that is also what makes its performance so . . . electrifying. Instant torque is a crazy phenomenon when there's that much of it.
Nevertheless, we are talking about a practical daily-driver family sedan that sends 864 lb/ft of instant torque to the wheels - http://www.dragtimes.com/2015-Tesla-Model-S-Dyno-Results-Graphs-27143.html. It is quicker to 30 than just about anything on the road (see, e.g., that P85D vs. 458 video I posted earlier), and quicker to 60 than an Enzo. That is flat-out remarkable. I am not saying it is the fastest car in the world, nor am I saying it could hang with your Z06 on a track, as it clearly could not. I am mystified, though, why people are so resistant to giving it the credit it has plainly earned.
Do you not see the issue here, though? At this point you've managed to cite 3 things about the Tesla, all empirically false. I just can't escape the feeling these cars are being sold on bullshit marketing, especially to people that don't know any better.
Again where are you getting the 1G plus? Last i heard was .87
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/2014-bmw-i8-vs-2013-tesla-model-s-comparison-test.html
There are a bunch of cars there days in that category of performance/price bucket. The RS7 does 0-60 in 3.4 and pulls CLS 63 does it in 3.2, RS7 0.96 skid pad and 0.9 for the CLS. Both the cars have air suspension.
Literally the niche factor is the electric part, rather than the other stuff you mentioned.