Got the windows tinted and the paint protection done on the front.
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Really liking how it turned out and the stance looks pretty good. It's also pretty much the same size on the inside as the X3 albeit looking smaller on the outside.
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Seatbelt noise issue, hopefully they get a hook or something added to future releases:
lol at the comments:
paraphrasing: nobody notices problems with any other car because they are all crap compared to a Tesla and people who buy Tesla's are smarter and more observant than everyone else
sounds like the same old tesla QC issues to me.
I've noticed that since becoming an owner, the level of protecting the brand at all costs come through in a lot of posts. Being critical of anything Tesla does is instantly met with the defenders coming out of the wood work. I've owned cars from domestic and foreign brands, both mainline and luxury. Tesla is an enigma in that they do a lot of sophisticated design and software development, but are sloppy in other areas. Where BMW, for example, over engineers their cars and it causes issues at time, Tesla seems to focus on the hard spots and misses the simple things. Some of that comes from years of refinement from manufacturing experience. They've only been mass producing cars for a few years at any scale. The X and S were not assembled like what they are doing with the 3 or Y.
As a huge Apple & Tesla fanboy, uber Tesla fanboys are the worst of the bunch lol. I'm a huge fanboy, but I choose not to look at the world through rose-colored glasses. Elon is an awesome dude, but he's also all over the map. There are a lot of features Tesla could & should add. There is absolutely a huge Reality Distortion Field, Steve Jobs-style, around the Tesla brand. The promise of FSD is awesome, but the implementation is still pretty iffy:
I have a Suburu with eyesight, and the camera based collision warning and adaptive cruise are surprisingly robust in rain and snow conditions. I have had the eyesight system only shut off very rarely. In fact the times it shut off was in heavy rain/fog IIRC. Of course the lane keeping function does not work if the roads are covered with snow. I love adaptive cruise, but I would have a hard time trusting an electronic system to follow the roadway accurately.This is why, should I get a Tesla in the next year or two, I won't be in a rush to add FSD. You can see the underlying promise, but Tesla is too optimistic about it. Among other things, it seems to forget about this concept called "snow" that causes problems for camera-only self-driving systems.
Having said all this: I want a Standard Range Plus version of the Model Y in the worst way. It'd probably make both my partner and I very happy.
I have a Suburu with eyesight, and the camera based collision warning and adaptive cruise are surprisingly robust in rain and snow conditions. I have had the eyesight system only shut off very rarely. In fact the times it shut off was in heavy rain/fog IIRC. Of course the lane keeping function does not work if the roads are covered with snow. I love adaptive cruise, but I would have a hard time trusting an electronic system to follow the roadway accurately.
Would even LiDAR work if the roads were covered with snow though? Dont see how even that could tell where the center lines and edge of the road lines are.
@Kaido
Just saw a brand sparky new Model Y in white. It looked absolutely gorgeous. Much, much better than all the pics I've seen.
They will sell A LOT of those. Period.
The biggest issue is charging speed which was 400 Miles/hour when I didn't have to share a stall, down to 200 Miles/hour when someone plugs in next to you. This isn't really common known, even by long time owners, as someone decided to park right next to me when all the other stalls were empty.
I found that when going around a sweeping right turn, the car has a hard time staying in the center and gets near the outside line. This is unnerving as the vehicle next to me would natural cut towards me, leaving a small gap. Sweeping left turns where not as bad and it seems the car can track a little better in that direction.
I also got a lot of warnings to grab the wheel even though both hands where on it. The car wants you to fight the steering lightly which means I had to put a counter force. It actually gave me a slight blister on my right hand.
6. The range ratings for the Y PUP where not too far off. On the trip back, I tried to stay around 75mph unless it was unsafe or in construction. This was in perfect driving conditions of 75-85F, little wind, no rain and AC set to 72F. If my napkin math isn't that far off, I was able to get fairly close to advertised 280 mile range.
However, Tesla needs a lot more charging stations if they truly want to sell millions of these and Cybertrucks. There are not enough stalls and they are no way ready to have trucks parked in them.
I have to admit that it feels kind of good to know that I'm not alone in finding AutoPilot a bit frustrating. I still stand with my statement that it's not bad all of the time; however, the huge problem is that you can't turn it off. @Kaido mentioned Subaru's solution earlier, and I know that in my mom's Subaru Outback, she can turn off the automation features whenever she wants. (It's a physical button to the left of the steering wheel.) I don't know if it's just a case of hubris or what, but it's just frustrating that Tesla won't give us the option when there's no reason not to.
I wish that it had EyeSight + AP. So you could just flip back to EyeSight & have something reliable (especially AEB). AP is amazingly cool, but it's also...glitchy. It was like a couple-hour drive down to the test-drive location & EyeSight handled it like a champ the whole ride.
I'm still very excited about the technology, but the current implementation is still a bit twitchy, which can get scary sometimes.
I'm keeping an eye on actual mileage reports with the battery as well.
And the price. Granted with Tesla you get pretty good performance and amenities for the price, but the price can still be a barrier to entry.I've always wondered if the biggest problem is that there's a bit of nuance to driving. It's like how @KentState was talking about the awkward reaction on the off-ramp. When we're driving, we create a sort of "understanding" of what's around us. We see the environment and apply our understanding of driving to interpret what cars are doing, trying to do, or might do. It's how I can usually predict when a car will change lanes; a driver's tendencies sort of seep out into a car's "body language" (e.g. inching closer to the left side may indicate a desire to move over soon).
Take all this mumbo-jumbo that I just blabbed on about, and how the car can't do any of that. It tries to take in a good amount of information to make accurate assessments, but it is still very rudimentary. It relies upon basic object recognition, line-based spatial placement, and distance calculations. Tesla may have object avoidance, but it will still happily run over a smaller object in the road that could end up damaging your tire, because it doesn't pay attention to that. I was a bit surprised when they added parking lot summons into the car, because parking lots are arguably a bit more "lawless" and variable than roadways. Imagine if someone blindfolded you and put you into a car, removed the blindfold, and asked you to properly drive it to a location in that parking lot. You'd have to make so many assertions to determine where to go and what to do (e.g. two-way aisles vs. one-way aisles).
Having a self-driving car is tough, and I hate to admit it, but I don't think Tesla cars in their current state will ever be fully self-driving. There's one huge problem that the current system has no decent way of mitigating: precipitation. Having driven in the rain many times, I can assure you that it's fairly common (outside of light sprinkles) to see a warning pop up about a camera's vision being occluded. Tesla's AutoPilot system relies heavily upon the cameras, and hampering their vision renders the system useless. You can even see this when the cameras aren't fully hindered as the lane markers will start becoming faded as the camera loses its sight of them. Now, I know some may say things like "You aren't supposed to use cruise control in the rain", which is correct, but I don't recall Tesla's claims of working on a fully self-driving car having an asterisk stating "in sunny weather only". On that note, I've always wondered if Tesla spends too much time testing in California or similar areas.
In my experience, I get the best performance when driving around 50 MPH. At my old job, I spent about half the time on the interstate around 70-80 MPH and the rest of that at around 45-50 MPH. I recall seeing instances of about 180 Wh/mi, which is below Tesla's default rating of 230 Wh/mi. Since it's getting hot out, I also see losses from the cabin trying to keep itself cool during the day.
When looking at cars, one thing that became a bit apparent is that if you want a fast car that can still be efficient, you either need to go for a tiny car (think Mazda Miata) or go electric. With the electric cars, as long as you don't put your foot down, it's like driving an I4. In general, the only negative that I'd say that they have is the charging situation on long trips.
I've always wondered if the biggest problem is that there's a bit of nuance to driving. It's like how @KentState was talking about the awkward reaction on the off-ramp. When we're driving, we create a sort of "understanding" of what's around us. We see the environment and apply our understanding of driving to interpret what cars are doing, trying to do, or might do. It's how I can usually predict when a car will change lanes; a driver's tendencies sort of seep out into a car's "body language" (e.g. inching closer to the left side may indicate a desire to move over soon).
Take all this mumbo-jumbo that I just blabbed on about, and how the car can't do any of that. It tries to take in a good amount of information to make accurate assessments, but it is still very rudimentary. It relies upon basic object recognition, line-based spatial placement, and distance calculations. Tesla may have object avoidance, but it will still happily run over a smaller object in the road that could end up damaging your tire, because it doesn't pay attention to that. I was a bit surprised when they added parking lot summons into the car, because parking lots are arguably a bit more "lawless" and variable than roadways. Imagine if someone blindfolded you and put you into a car, removed the blindfold, and asked you to properly drive it to a location in that parking lot. You'd have to make so many assertions to determine where to go and what to do (e.g. two-way aisles vs. one-way aisles).
Having a self-driving car is tough, and I hate to admit it, but I don't think Tesla cars in their current state will ever be fully self-driving. There's one huge problem that the current system has no decent way of mitigating: precipitation. Having driven in the rain many times, I can assure you that it's fairly common (outside of light sprinkles) to see a warning pop up about a camera's vision being occluded. Tesla's AutoPilot system relies heavily upon the cameras, and hampering their vision renders the system useless. You can even see this when the cameras aren't fully hindered as the lane markers will start becoming faded as the camera loses its sight of them. Now, I know some may say things like "You aren't supposed to use cruise control in the rain", which is correct, but I don't recall Tesla's claims of working on a fully self-driving car having an asterisk stating "in sunny weather only". On that note, I've always wondered if Tesla spends too much time testing in California or similar areas.
In my experience, I get the best performance when driving around 50 MPH. At my old job, I spent about half the time on the interstate around 70-80 MPH and the rest of that at around 45-50 MPH. I recall seeing instances of about 180 Wh/mi, which is below Tesla's default rating of 230 Wh/mi. Since it's getting hot out, I also see losses from the cabin trying to keep itself cool during the day.
When looking at cars, one thing that became a bit apparent is that if you want a fast car that can still be efficient, you either need to go for a tiny car (think Mazda Miata) or go electric. With the electric cars, as long as you don't put your foot down, it's like driving an I4. In general, the only negative that I'd say that they have is the charging situation on long trips.
Not so sure on the base Cybertruck pricing. They charge 38k for a single motor model 3 but they're going to only charge 40k for a single motor Cybertruck?
I've always wondered if the biggest problem is that there's a bit of nuance to driving. It's like how @KentState was talking about the awkward reaction on the off-ramp. When we're driving, we create a sort of "understanding" of what's around us. We see the environment and apply our understanding of driving to interpret what cars are doing, trying to do, or might do. It's how I can usually predict when a car will change lanes; a driver's tendencies sort of seep out into a car's "body language" (e.g. inching closer to the left side may indicate a desire to move over soon).
Take all this mumbo-jumbo that I just blabbed on about, and how the car can't do any of that. It tries to take in a good amount of information to make accurate assessments, but it is still very rudimentary. It relies upon basic object recognition, line-based spatial placement, and distance calculations. Tesla may have object avoidance, but it will still happily run over a smaller object in the road that could end up damaging your tire, because it doesn't pay attention to that. I was a bit surprised when they added parking lot summons into the car, because parking lots are arguably a bit more "lawless" and variable than roadways. Imagine if someone blindfolded you and put you into a car, removed the blindfold, and asked you to properly drive it to a location in that parking lot. You'd have to make so many assertions to determine where to go and what to do (e.g. two-way aisles vs. one-way aisles).
Having a self-driving car is tough, and I hate to admit it, but I don't think Tesla cars in their current state will ever be fully self-driving. There's one huge problem that the current system has no decent way of mitigating: precipitation. Having driven in the rain many times, I can assure you that it's fairly common (outside of light sprinkles) to see a warning pop up about a camera's vision being occluded. Tesla's AutoPilot system relies heavily upon the cameras, and hampering their vision renders the system useless. You can even see this when the cameras aren't fully hindered as the lane markers will start becoming faded as the camera loses its sight of them. Now, I know some may say things like "You aren't supposed to use cruise control in the rain", which is correct, but I don't recall Tesla's claims of working on a fully self-driving car having an asterisk stating "in sunny weather only". On that note, I've always wondered if Tesla spends too much time testing in California or similar areas.
In my experience, I get the best performance when driving around 50 MPH. At my old job, I spent about half the time on the interstate around 70-80 MPH and the rest of that at around 45-50 MPH. I recall seeing instances of about 180 Wh/mi, which is below Tesla's default rating of 230 Wh/mi. Since it's getting hot out, I also see losses from the cabin trying to keep itself cool during the day.
When looking at cars, one thing that became a bit apparent is that if you want a fast car that can still be efficient, you either need to go for a tiny car (think Mazda Miata) or go electric. With the electric cars, as long as you don't put your foot down, it's like driving an I4. In general, the only negative that I'd say that they have is the charging situation on long trips.
Autopilot comes standard. I assume you bought FSD and regret paying $6-7K extra for that. Yeah, I wouldn't buy FSD in its current state. I'm hoping by the time Cybertruck comes out FSD will be good enough and worth it.The more I try to use Autopilot, the more I regret paying for it. The only FSD feature that I use is the auto lane change since the Y lacks basic blind spot monitoring in the mirrors.
To your point, the nuances of driving are not something that the car can accurately measure. Maybe if the majority of cars were self driving and the roads where monitored in real-time, but a couple 100k cars trying to make it in chaos isn't realistic. I can't imagine it in a city when you throw in pedestrians, people on bikes and the random jackassery of people.
Going up to 8k in July.Autopilot comes standard. I assume you bought FSD and regret paying $6-7K extra for that. Yeah, I wouldn't buy FSD in its current state. I'm hoping by the time Cybertruck comes out FSD will be good enough and worth it.
It's not about measuring diverse data from the environment, which Tesla can do within the limits of its optical systems. It's about developing algorithms and using machine learning to handle a world of almost unlimited edge cases (what you called chaos). It's an extremely difficult problem to tackle, and the expert consensus today is we're still far from Level 5 autonomy. Waymo has proven you can get an 80% solution, but the problem is the remaining 20%. This ratio understates the actual difficulty, because covering the last 20% may require techniques that haven't been discovered yet.The more I try to use Autopilot, the more I regret paying for it. The only FSD feature that I use is the auto lane change since the Y lacks basic blind spot monitoring in the mirrors.
To your point, the nuances of driving are not something that the car can accurately measure. Maybe if the majority of cars were self driving and the roads where monitored in real-time, but a couple 100k cars trying to make it in chaos isn't realistic. I can't imagine it in a city when you throw in pedestrians, people on bikes and the random jackassery of people.