I give up. You're like talking to a brick wall. I'm the stupid one for even trying to help you.
I give up. You're like talking to a brick wall. I'm the stupid one for even trying to help you.Toyota already makes about 10 million vehicles a year, and their market cap is around 250 billion dollars. Tesla is valued around 700 billion dollars NOW, and currently ships less than a tenth of Toyota's volume. Even projecting ideal growth 10 years out, it's still hard to justify that value.
Don't you get it? By the end of 2020, there will be a fleet of self-driving Tesla robotaxis on the roads minting money for their owners. Soon thereafter, Tesla can jack up the price of FSD to $50k or more and the profits will soar!Toyota already makes about 10 million vehicles a year, and their market cap is around 250 billion dollars. Tesla is valued around 700 billion dollars NOW, and currently ships less than a tenth of Toyota's volume. Even projecting ideal growth 10 years out, it's still hard to justify that value.
Not sure how to say it so here it goes. There is no competition because they don't have batteries. Plain and simple. Tesla has been getting ready to be a leader because amongst many things they took care of batteries. Tesla took care of this at many levels.
Now, Tesla did 500K cars during covid. They know what they want to scale up going forward.
All things aside, cars need to be made in great numbers. Every other wanna be competitor does not have enough of battery capacity to compete. Most don't make their own batteries. Those that do, will not be able to compete in terms of numbers of batteries needed.
And there is the Supercharging network, Full Self Driving and software.
I do get this that some folks prefer 120K Tycan because it has buttons and such. No problemo.
Nobody will compete with Tesla for a long time because they don't have batteries.
The real news isn't that legless midgets can soon ride in the third row.Third row seat now available for the Y: ($3k option)
The real news isn't that legless midgets can soon ride in the third row.
It's that the previously canceled SR base model is now for sale.
If it can't fit normal-sized people, takes up space, and costs extra money, I don't see the point of getting the 3rd row for the very rare case you may need an extra seat or two.I'd imagine common use is for visiting small children (i.e. if your kids brings their friends) or for pets. My buddy has a Model X & those rear seats are not comfortable to sit in as an adult lol. I would definitely want to check out the 3rd-row Model Y seats in person before making a decision. Although if they fold flat (curious to see what drawbacks it has to a 5-seater Y), it may be worth investing in just to have as an available option when needed, as a 7-seat SUV.
From what we currently understand about geometry and the dimensions of the car, even children aren't going to want to sit back there. I'm not entirely joking when I say it's a $3,000 option to transport two legless midgets in row 3. But we'll have to wait until people receive the newly optioned cars to know if there's any utility back there. There's possibly some legroom, but it looks like a hassle to climb back there.If it can't fit normal-sized people, takes up space, and costs extra money, I don't see the point of getting the 3rd row for the very rare case you may need an extra seat or two.
From what we currently understand about geometry and the dimensions of the car, even children aren't going to want to sit back there. I'm not entirely joking when I say it's a $3,000 option to transport two legless midgets in row 3. But we'll have to wait until people receive the newly optioned cars to know if there's any utility back there. There's possibly some legroom, but it looks like a hassle to climb back there.
I can almost guarantee now that it won't fit normal-sized adults, certainly not average Americans.
Yes, you can finally ride there.The real news isn't that legless midgets can soon ride in the third row.
It's that the previously canceled SR base model is now for sale.
I’ll be curious how much shoulder and leg room appear when they get measured in person. By pictures, it’s going to be by far the worst in the midsize segment. Even small midsize offer at least 29” of third row legroom and this appears to be half of that.
The problem with those measurements is that they are for a person that can sit directly in the seat. If this is meant just for children, you have to add either a full child seat or a booster. Both of which raise the kid up 6-8" and push them forward 6" or more. I had a booster seat in my '18 Camaro and the top of the seat was nearly at the roof and my daughter had to sit nearly cross legged if a passenger over 5'8" wanted to sit in the front seat. I tried the same seat in my Y where the 3rd row would be (going by the pictures) and any sane parent would not put their kid in that position. I will try to get some pictures this evening to show the fit.
Considering worldwide demand is around 60 million annually right now & Toyota is leading with 8 million cars sold...maaaaaaaaaaaaybe lol. I think a few things are going to happen:
1. Competition is going to heat up over the next few years.
2. Other manufacturers are going to offer better stuff. The Model 3 doesn't even have a heated steering wheel, which is flat-out ridiculous for a $40,000 car. I think we'll see a big focus on luxury interiors to differentiate them from the spartan Tesla interiors. I've driven nearly every Tesla model (still looking for a Roaster 1.0 to test drive!) & while they're nice, they're super pared down compared to other cars. I'm mean, I'm a human being, and I like creature comforts. Plus, I'm a dude, and I like cool, unnecessary stuff lol - I mean, just check out the Porsche Taycan electric's interior vs. the Model 3's ultra-minimalist interior:
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3. I think LIDAR is going to make a big splash. GM's Super Cruise will be on over 22 vehicles by 2023, which among other things uses LIDAR-mapped road systems, so whether it's used to power the service or used in the car, it's out there now:
GM's Super Cruise Self-Driving Tech Will Be on 22 Vehicles by 2023
The impressive hands-free system is currently only available in the Cadillac lineup.www.caranddriver.com
The Sierra truck is getting it soon:
GMC Confirms Its First Truck Taste Of Autopilot-Rivaling Super Cruise
GM promised more cars across its nameplates with Super Cruise, and now we're seeing just how that roll out will happen, with GMC the latest…www.slashgear.com
I really like how the steering wheel lights up green to let you visually KNOW you're in self-driving mode:
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4. Tesla has a tremendous lead in self-driving cars. There are rumors Apple has something up their sleeve. Waymo...who knows. Honestly, I really like the current semi-automated but reliable systems quite a bit. I finally talked my mom into leasing this year, as she doesn't drive a ton of miles, and she got a Rogue that has some legitimately awesome self-driving stuff. I mean, I know Tesla will eventually beat it out, especially with city driving, but reliable adaptive cruise with lane-centering is pretty close to self-driving in practice! Plus the 360-degree camera system is DOPE! I wish Tesla had it (well, I wish Tesla had a HUD too, one can dream!). Ford doesn't have squat on their upcoming Mach-E SUV as far as anything serious self-driving related, given the capabilities. So there's going to be a few years of catch-up here.
My point here is the cost, however. Musk said he's confident they can deliver a $25k car in the next few years. If they can bundle in self-driving with a 300-mile battery for $25k, then yeah, they'll take over the world, because that would be like the new Civic or Corrolla - everyone on the planet would buy one. I'd imagine the current COVID-delivery economic will still be in place, so if they can get the robo-taxi thing going & you can rent out your car to Uber, Walmart, etc. for food & "stuff" deliveries, that would be pretty awesome! Pipe dream right now, but maybe! Haha.
Americans have largely been suckered into shelling out more to buy large vehicles for rare use cases. Most people don't need a land barge for 2 adults + 2 kids.I’ll be curious how much shoulder and leg room appear when they get measured in person. By pictures, it’s going to be by far the worst in the midsize segment. Even small midsize offer at least 29” of third row legroom and this appears to be half of that.
As for minivans, at least where we live, they are back in popular demand because SUVs are getting too expensive. I work with a lot of dealers around here and have a friend at every brand in the city, and for those companies that sell vans, they’ve seen sales go up. On a more personal note, when couples friends with kids got an SUV in 2015 (Chevrolet Traverse) they mentioned they were simply priced out of the minivan market. The only thing close to competitively priced was a Nissan Quest and a Kia Sedona. The Honda Toyota options were Spartan in terms of features, and with older kids, they didn’t see sliding doors as good enough of a reason to have a basic cloth interior and last decade head unit when they could get a leather equipped touch screen vehicle with AWD for the same price.
Americans have largely been suckered into shelling out more to buy large vehicles for rare use cases. Most people don't need a land barge for 2 adults + 2 kids.
guaranteed ticket if you try that. That's how Goose died.Just tried out putting a car seat behind the second row. I realize that the folding seat will drop this by a few inches. However, the seatback was not all the way up and it was hitting the glass hatch. At this height, my daughter at age 4 would have not been able to fit in the seat without it raising up another 4". It also only leaves about 2" between where the seat back hits the glass and the cross member is.
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I’ll be curious how much shoulder and leg room appear when they get measured in person. By pictures, it’s going to be by far the worst in the midsize segment. Even small midsize offer at least 29” of third row legroom and this appears to be half of that.
As for minivans, at least where we live, they are back in popular demand because SUVs are getting too expensive. I work with a lot of dealers around here and have a friend at every brand in the city, and for those companies that sell vans, they’ve seen sales go up. On a more personal note, when couples friends with kids got an SUV in 2015 (Chevrolet Traverse) they mentioned they were simply priced out of the minivan market. The only thing close to competitively priced was a Nissan Quest and a Kia Sedona. The Honda Toyota options were Spartan in terms of features, and with older kids, they didn’t see sliding doors as good enough of a reason to have a basic cloth interior and last decade head unit when they could get a leather equipped touch screen vehicle with AWD for the same price.
Just tried out putting a car seat behind the second row. I realize that the folding seat will drop this by a few inches. However, the seatback was not all the way up and it was hitting the glass hatch. At this height, my daughter at age 4 would have not been able to fit in the seat without it raising up another 4". It also only leaves about 2" between where the seat back hits the glass and the cross member is.
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