Tesla Model Y

[bigi]

^ all cool, but those are a part of the old world. That last car, the red one, has so many grill openings that I could share with entire village. Those crevices in the hood must have been designed as masculinity booster for those who lack it. Those consume poison and produce poison to move. Pass.

You see, with the new marvel as Model Y is, there is no need for all of this circus. I don't even wanna see the interiors of those 'cool' looking cars. Tens of buttons and 'cool' looking chrome everywhere. So, yea, I guess why Model Y does not satisfy your tastes

No room in any of those, really. Curious to see crash results, especially of that first car you linked.

 

[Midwayman]

Yah, I think what to do with grills is a big unanswered question in the transition to electrics. Obviously they aren't required, but they are also a huge part of design language of a car. The alpha and BMW for example have very distinct grills for the brand. With the trend to a homogeneous shape due to Aero concerns how are makers going to distinguish their cars? It would be interesting to see them take advantage of the lack of grill by doing a full width light bar or something rather than just leaving a blank space. But yah, I tend to like the 'tens of buttons' look. I buy watches with complications just because I like the visual complexity.

 

[bigi]

...Obviously they aren't required, but they are also a huge part of design language of a car...

Yes, but this comes out of necessity and most people still think what you just said. I disagree. Grills have served their purpose and there has been no way around it with ICE cars.

Now, wheels are a must. I agree with that obviously. Wheels also do contribute to how car looks and drives. Grills, no. No need for 4-7 of them in front alone that half are just dummy ones.

 

[rstrohkirch]

^ all cool, but those are a part of the old world. That last car, the red one, has so many grill openings that I could share with entire village. Those crevices in the hood must have been designed as masculinity booster for those who lack it. Those consume poison and produce poison to move. Pass.

That particular model has functional vents in the hood because it's their high output 505hp model.

Personally, I like the cut outs of the grills on certain models. Hence the vehicle I currently own. The front end of the various Tesla models don't do it for me. They're incredibly boring in my eyes.

 

[KentState]

Yes, but this comes out of necessity and most people still think what you just said. I disagree. Grills have served their purpose and there has been no way around it with ICE cars.

Now, wheels are a must. I agree with that obviously. Wheels also do contribute to how car looks and drives. Grills, no. No need for 4-7 of them in front alone that half are just dummy ones.

I feel the same way about grills. They should be functional and tell what the car is about. Heck, my ZL1 had more grill area than probably the 3 cars I owned before it. However, I like that the battery and drive motors are compact enough to allow a design that fits the occupants better and provides optimal aerodynamic efficiencies. Even things a little less noticeable like fuel doors, exhaust pipes and the driveshafts no longer get in the way. Wheels are probably the one area where Tesla needs to give up a few miles and ditch the aero rims.

 

[bigi]

Tesla needs to give up a few miles and ditch the aero rims.

One can remove aero covers if not desired. Apparently, those contribute to 10% of efficiency, which is HUGE in terms of EV. No need to ditch that because of looks alone. It is very hard to earn that 10% efficiency otherwise.

 

[manly]

One can remove aero covers if not desired. Apparently, those contribute to 10% of efficiency, which is HUGE in terms of EV. No need to ditch that because of looks alone. It is very hard to earn that 10% efficiency otherwise.

"Up to" 10%. Real world test:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-aero-vs-non-aero-wheels-real-world-efficiency-test/

 

[Herr Kutz]

Still chonky tho

I like it! Can’t wait to take a spin in yours!

 

[Kaido]

I like it! Can’t wait to take a spin in yours!

Check back in 2 years

 

[KentState]

Starting to have second thoughts about the Y with the I-PACE and e-tron out. The Tesla stands out with the charging network and the promise of autonomous driving. However, the interior is something that I'm not big on.

The Audi interior and exterior appeal to me a lot more along with the more traditional gauge layout. I also use CarPlay daily and not sure that's something I want to give up. The I-PACE is also up for consideration as it seems a little more fun to drive than the Audi.

 

[Aikouka]

Starting to have second thoughts about the Y with the I-PACE and e-tron out. The Tesla stands out with the charging network and the promise of autonomous driving. However, the interior is something that I'm not big on.

The Audi interior and exterior appeal to me a lot more along with the more traditional gauge layout. I also use CarPlay daily and not sure that's something I want to give up. The I-PACE is also up for consideration as it seems a little more fun to drive than the Audi.

Don't they both have around a 200 mile range?

 

[Jimzz]

Don't they both have around a 200 mile range?

200 and 234, which is less than the 240 the base model3 does at only 39k.
ModelS is up to 370 and should hit 400 in the next refresh. ModelX is still at 325 range. Should be able to hit 350+ with its refresh.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Happy to hear about the new technology but, the car itself will have little impact.

 

[Aikouka]

200 and 234, which is less than the 240 the base model3 does at only 39k.
ModelS is up to 370 and should hit 400 in the next refresh. ModelX is still at 325 range. Should be able to hit 350+ with its refresh.

It's worth adding that given that we're talking about the Model Y, the Y is rated at 280 miles for its highest model. On that note, they really should consider slightly more capacity to get that above 300.

But I can also understand someone not being as big of a fan of the spartan interior on the Model 3/Y.

 

[zinfamous]

It's worth adding that given that we're talking about the Model Y, the Y is rated at 280 MPH for its highest model.

Holy shit--Veyron speed for ~$70k? sign me up!

 

[Kaido]

Starting to have second thoughts about the Y with the I-PACE and e-tron out. The Tesla stands out with the charging network and the promise of autonomous driving. However, the interior is something that I'm not big on.

The Audi interior and exterior appeal to me a lot more along with the more traditional gauge layout. I also use CarPlay daily and not sure that's something I want to give up. The I-PACE is also up for consideration as it seems a little more fun to drive than the Audi.

I will say that the Model 3 with the Premium interior is the most comfortable car seat I've ever sat in, and I had a (used) 2001 Volvo S80 previously, which was mega comfortable.

Design-wise, however, the 3 is ridiculously spartan (imo they really should have added the HUD). I was just in my buddy's 3 the other day & said the same thing - I wish it had CarPlay, as my Mustang has it now, and I absolutely LOVE it. Despite being a huge nerd, I'm not an overly-huge fan of Tesla's giant touchscreen, and I think they have a long way to go on the GUI, especially with the small buttons. I understand they're aiming towards full self-driving in the future, but in the Elon time-continuum, we all know that that is years away from happening. I found the auto-wiper adjustment on the touchscreen to be particularly annoying, for example.

If you can, and if you haven't already, go for a test-drive in the Model 3. The network, auto-driving, and constant updates are all pretty compelling. Personally, if you plan on going electric, I don't see the point of going with any other manufacturer at the moment from a technical & features standpoint, as you'll be buying "just" an electric car. Granted, it depends on your situation - I have several friends with Nissan Leafs who solely use them for commuter cars to work & back & they fit the bill (and budget!) perfectly, so as always, it depends on your individual situation, but I'd get some hands-on time with a Tesla if you haven't already!

 

[manly]

It's worth adding that given that we're talking about the Model Y, the Y is rated at 280 MPH for its highest model. On that note, they really should consider slightly more capacity to get that above 300.

But I can also understand someone not being as big of a fan of the spartan interior on the Model 3/Y.

Spartan is an issue w.r.t UX, but I suspect the other half of the problem is that Tesla interior quality is far from "luxurious." Which is fine on a "standard" model, but less so when fully optioned.

The I-Pace and e-tron have enough range for most use cases. The issue is that Electrify America is getting started with fast charging stations, so it will be a while until long road trips are feasible. Also, despite the I-Pace winning a truckload of 2018 critics awards, I'm pretty sure those two drivetrains trail in efficiency. They're both also relatively pricey.

 

[Aikouka]

Holy shit--Veyron speed for ~$70k? sign me up!

Oh my... uh... whatever do you mean? I see that I wrote miles!

Spartan is an issue w.r.t UX, but I suspect the other half of the problem is that Tesla interior quality is far from "luxurious." Which is fine on a "standard" model, but less so when fully optioned.

I saw some issues brought up in that video in the Model 3 thread, and while I've seen that in the car, I'll admit that I've never really thought twice about it. Although, I can certainly understand someone having certain expectations for a price. I mean... that's usually where some of my complaints come from. It's an idea that you paid a certain amount for a product, and it should at least be close to expectations set by other items. I guess it's just that I've never really had anything in the same luxury sector. Although, my Taurus actually had some options that my 3 doesn't have... like a heated steering wheel. Honestly, out of everything that I've noticed, one of the few things that bugs me about the fit and finish is the horrible noise transfer from the trunk. It's almost like your seats are down the whole time!

I will say that the Model 3 with the Premium interior is the most comfortable car seat I've ever sat in, and I had a (used) 2001 Volvo S80 previously, which was mega comfortable.

Speaking of the Model 3 video in the other thread, the person kept going on about the white seats and how they looked... but I think something struck me while watching it. The seats are too clean looking. Essentially, the seats are either pure black or pure white with absolutely no accent marks. A nice "clean" look can be a good thing, but goodness... outside of the LCD, there's just nothing to look at. It reminds you of one of those futuristic rooms where everything is white... the problem is that I've always assumed that those rooms were meant to look sterile and bland.

I wish it had CarPlay, as my Mustang has it now, and I absolutely LOVE it. Despite being a huge nerd, I'm not an overly-huge fan of Tesla's giant touchscreen, and I think they have a long way to go on the GUI, especially with the small buttons.

I don't know... I'm a bit mixed on CarPlay. I had it with my Taurus after I upgraded to Sync 3, and I had it on my last rental, and it's just... Apple needs to change how the phone and car interact with it turned on. My biggest problem is that actions taken on the car's screen affect what your phone is doing. For example, if you open Waze on your car, it will open it on the phone. If someone wants to use your phone for a second, and they close Waze, it closes it on your car. It appears that Apple is already rendering a second screen since the CarPlay screens differ from the phone-based UI. So, why not allow the devices to operate independently? I could see potential performance issues depending on what someone starts doing on the phone, but it's just a bit of a mess.

I'd say that the size of the touchscreen is the biggest benefit when it comes to Tesla. Just trying to look at maps on that large touchscreen is significantly better than any other car that I've used. I do agree that the buttons can be a bit of a pain, but if you're mostly dealing with the media buttons, hold onto the bottom of the screen while you go to press. It makes them far easier to hit. Now, if you want things that are fun to try and hit... go for the teeny-tiny top buttons.

 

[ultimatebob]

Did we already place bets on when these will be shipping in volume?

If not, put me down for May 2022. Since these things are basically taller versions of the Model 3, I'm hoping that they'll only be six months to a year late.

And remember, I'm talking VOLUME shipments, not the handful of press samples they'll probably have ready by the end of 2021.

 

[Kaido]

I saw some issues brought up in that video in the Model 3 thread, and while I've seen that in the car, I'll admit that I've never really thought twice about it. Although, I can certainly understand someone having certain expectations for a price. I mean... that's usually where some of my complaints come from. It's an idea that you paid a certain amount for a product, and it should at least be close to expectations set by other items. I guess it's just that I've never really had anything in the same luxury sector. Although, my Taurus actually had some options that my 3 doesn't have... like a heated steering wheel. Honestly, out of everything that I've noticed, one of the few things that bugs me about the fit and finish is the horrible noise transfer from the trunk. It's almost like your seats are down the whole time!

I don't want to say that a heated steering wheel is a dealbreaker for me, but MAN I love that feature in the winter (my hands are like conductors for the cold!) & I'm pretty shocked that the fully-loaded $68k version of the 3 doesn't even offer it.

 

[KentState]

I will say that the Model 3 with the Premium interior is the most comfortable car seat I've ever sat in, and I had a (used) 2001 Volvo S80 previously, which was mega comfortable.

Design-wise, however, the 3 is ridiculously spartan (imo they really should have added the HUD). I was just in my buddy's 3 the other day & said the same thing - I wish it had CarPlay, as my Mustang has it now, and I absolutely LOVE it. Despite being a huge nerd, I'm not an overly-huge fan of Tesla's giant touchscreen, and I think they have a long way to go on the GUI, especially with the small buttons. I understand they're aiming towards full self-driving in the future, but in the Elon time-continuum, we all know that that is years away from happening. I found the auto-wiper adjustment on the touchscreen to be particularly annoying, for example.

If you can, and if you haven't already, go for a test-drive in the Model 3. The network, auto-driving, and constant updates are all pretty compelling. Personally, if you plan on going electric, I don't see the point of going with any other manufacturer at the moment from a technical & features standpoint, as you'll be buying "just" an electric car. Granted, it depends on your situation - I have several friends with Nissan Leafs who solely use them for commuter cars to work & back & they fit the bill (and budget!) perfectly, so as always, it depends on your individual situation, but I'd get some hands-on time with a Tesla if you haven't already!

What are the odds that you can get an actual test drive knowing that I won't be buying a 3 and waiting for the Y? Agree that first hand experience is probably the only way to truly judge the car. The biggest thing that draws me to the Tesla is fully autonomous driving, but not sure if that's worth the $9k on top of the purchase price. A technology that may be publicly released by the time the Y launches, but not sure I'm ready to be a mass beta tester for. Beyond that, the acceleration is a neat trick, but the 0-60 times are conditional and not necessarily relevant beyond bragging rights. The competitors are sufficiently fast anyways for sane driving.

As far as the i-PACE or e-Tron, the range is good enough for a commuter car so range isn't a huge concern. All of the day trips I've taken in the last 10 years have been under 200 miles. If we are going long distance I either rent a car or we take my wife's. With corporate deals, I can usually get a minivan for a week for around $300.

Overall, I'm more disappointed with what I feel are compromises with all of the EV's available. I leased the BMW thinking that I would find something in the next few years that would check all the boxes. May just do another 3 years lease and see what happens.

Sorry for the blog post, I just like to overthink large purchases

 

[Aikouka]

What are the odds that you can get an actual test drive knowing that I won't be buying a 3 and waiting for the Y?

You mean if Tesla will care? I doubt it. You could probably tell them exactly what you’re doing, and I think they’d be receptive as it makes sense to try the Model 3 as a corollary experience to the Model Y.

 

[ponyo]

Did we already place bets on when these will be shipping in volume?

If not, put me down for May 2022. Since these things are basically taller versions of the Model 3, I'm hoping that they'll only be six months to a year late.

And remember, I'm talking VOLUME shipments, not the handful of press samples they'll probably have ready by the end of 2021.

Musk said on Q3 '19 conference call today that Model Y is ahead of schedule and we should see volume production start in summer of 2020. I know you're not going to believe him because of Elon time but my guess is you're going to be very wrong with your May 2022 prediction.

 

[rstrohkirch]

To actually have the Model Y shipping in the summer next year they would need to have test mules out no later than the end of this year. If you don't see multiple articles in the next few months of pre production Model Y's caught out in the wild...it's not going to happen.

 

[NutBucket]

Since when does Tesla care about quality control?