Tesla Motors death watch

[Drako]

No one cars for electric cars. How many even know this exists? I went to buy a Prius specifically and I had no idea it even existed till I saw it on the lot (and didn't even look at):

http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in/#!/Welcome

If electric does take off, Tesla will not be the reason.

That's still a hybrid, not an EV

 

[Kaido]

I went to buy a Prius specifically and I had no idea it even existed till I saw it on the lot (and didn't even look at):

http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in/#!/Welcome

Not to be a jerk, but you went to buy a car and didn't even bother looking at their webpage to see the models they had?

Also, you only get 11 miles on battery with the $32k - $39k plug-in Prius. Might as well buy a bicycle if that's all the range you need :awe:

 

[Drako]

Not to be a jerk, but you went to buy a car and didn't even bother looking at their webpage to see the models they had?

Also, you only get 11 miles on battery with the $32k - $39k plug-in Prius. Might as well buy a bicycle if that's all the range you need :awe:

Yeah, he must have done a shit-load of research on EVs, not to know that the Prius Plug-in is aimed at the Chevy Volt. But who has time to look into these fine details

 

[MrDudeMan]

Not to be a jerk, but you went to buy a car and didn't even bother looking at their webpage to see the models they had?

Also, you only get 11 miles on battery with the $32k - $39k plug-in Prius. Might as well buy a bicycle if that's all the range you need :awe:

He's a trolling dumbass. I wouldn't bother.

 

[CPA]

Q3 results disappointing, forecasts reduced. $2B market cap lost.

Musk says results and forecasts are due to battery shortage and that a new deal with Panasonic will eliminate the problem. We'll see within a year if lower sales are a result of the battery shortage or Musk is just blowing smoke.

 

[jaedaliu]

Yeah, he must have done a shit-load of research on EVs, not to know that the Prius Plug-in is aimed at the Chevy Volt. But who has time to look into these fine details

I don't think it is. I thought it was more of a bone that was tossed to the people that wanted a plug in hybrid Prius but didn't want to do the conversion themselves for fear of warranty, complexity, etc.

 

[bigi]

Tesla now the most-registered new car in eight of the nation’s 25 wealthiest neighborhoods tracked by zip code

 

[Doppel]

No one cars for electric cars. How many even know this exists? I went to buy a Prius specifically and I had no idea it even existed till I saw it on the lot (and didn't even look at):

http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in/#!/Welcome

If electric does take off, Tesla will not be the reason.

I've known about it since well before it was on the market.

I saw something on the news a week back. A reporter went to a nissan dealership and found some random car shopper and she had never heard of the Nissan Leaf. I find that incredibly ignorant, but I understand a lot of people just do not give a shit about cars (she obviously doesn't).

Most people don't care about electric cars just as when computers first came out most didn't care about them. Times change, often very slowly.

 

[Brovane]

Q3 results disappointing, forecasts reduced. $2B market cap lost.

Musk says results and forecasts are due to battery shortage and that a new deal with Panasonic will eliminate the problem. We'll see within a year if lower sales are a result of the battery shortage or Musk is just blowing smoke.

How is a 3rd quarter results of vehicle deliveries going above forecast a disappointment? Reading the article the headline to me is really confusing. Tesla originally forecast a delivery of 5000 vehicles in the 3rd quarter and they delivered 5500.

 

[phucheneh]

One fueled by hype, the other by cocaine.

Once Elon Musk runs out of suitcases full of pure, uncut Columbian hype, his unprofitable company is going to have issues.

 

[CPA]

How is a 3rd quarter results of vehicle deliveries going above forecast a disappointment? Reading the article the headline to me is really confusing. Tesla originally forecast a delivery of 5000 vehicles in the 3rd quarter and they delivered 5500.

Unfortunately, for the stock market, it's not always what the company forecasts, rather what the analysts forecast.

 

[Brovane]

Unfortunately, for the stock market, it's not always what the company forecasts, rather what the analysts forecast.

So why did you say Musk could be blowing smoke? Tesla beat what they forecasted. It looks like the Analysts are blowing smoke not Tesla. Musk has already said the Tesla stock is over-valued.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Once again, this thread is dumb as fuck. Tesla is going nowhere but up from here.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...flames-out-premarket-reports-another-car-fire

Anyone got any more on this one?

NM found a link.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/23581-Ugh-Another-Model-S-fire-2013-11-06

 

[Spungo]

NM found a link.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/23581-Ugh-Another-Model-S-fire-2013-11-06

I wouldn't worry too much about car fires. Modern cars are written off if you look at them incorrectly. None of these drivers have been injured. I'm really surprised how rare car fires are since car crashes happen every day. My car was written off a couple weeks ago after being rear ended by an idiot going about 40mph while I stopped at a red light. No gasoline or oil leaked out of either car.

Tesla currently trading at $151. That's about 20% below its peak. Tesla is one of the most shorted stocks at this time, so it will eventually have a slight bump when people buy to cover.

 

[TechBoyJK]

One fueled by hype, the other by cocaine.

Once Elon Musk runs out of suitcases full of pure, uncut Columbian hype, his unprofitable company is going to have issues.

That's not hype in the suitcase, it's awesomeness.

 

[LTC8K6]

I wouldn't worry too much about car fires. Modern cars are written off if you look at them incorrectly. None of these drivers have been injured. I'm really surprised how rare car fires are since car crashes happen every day. My car was written off a couple weeks ago after being rear ended by an idiot going about 40mph while I stopped at a red light. No gasoline or oil leaked out of either car.

Tesla currently trading at $151. That's about 20% below its peak. Tesla is one of the most shorted stocks at this time, so it will eventually have a slight bump when people buy to cover.

Except it appears that this one didn't hit anything.

A Tesla fire is not the same as a Toyota or Chevrolet fire because Toyota and Chevrolet are not struggling startups.

Most people would have confidence that Toyota or Ford will take care of such a problem, because they are well known and well established.

Tesla is in a much more precarious position if their cars are seen as dangerous or unreliable.

 

[Wreckem]

I wouldn't worry too much about car fires. Modern cars are written off if you look at them incorrectly. None of these drivers have been injured. I'm really surprised how rare car fires are since car crashes happen every day. My car was written off a couple weeks ago after being rear ended by an idiot going about 40mph while I stopped at a red light. No gasoline or oil leaked out of either car.

Tesla currently trading at $151. That's about 20% below its peak. Tesla is one of the most shorted stocks at this time, so it will eventually have a slight bump when people buy to cover.

There are ~200k car fires a year.

 

[Wreckem]

Except it appears that this one didn't hit anything.

A Tesla fire is not the same as a Toyota or Chevrolet fire because Toyota and Chevrolet are not struggling startups.

Most people would have confidence that Toyota or Ford will take care of such a problem, because they are well known and well established.

Tesla is in a much more precarious position if their cars are seen as dangerous or unreliable.

Except it is being reported that there was some sort of accident and it was not spontaneous.

I don't know. A drunk driver slams through a roundabout, a concrete wall and a tree, and walks away unscathed. Car sounds pretty safe to me. And Ford fixing fire hazards? Ha, tell that to the several dozen cops who have died because of the serious design flaw of the Crown Vic. Ford even knew of the design flaw decades before the first Crown Vic entered production. In the entire production run of the Crown Vic Ford NEVER fixed the design flaw and refused to have do a recall of them. To this day a lot/most of the Crown Vic fleet that is currently in service does NOT have fire suppression systems. Fortunately Crown Vics are now being phased out of most police departments.

 

[CPA]

So why did you say Musk could be blowing smoke? Tesla beat what they forecasted. It looks like the Analysts are blowing smoke not Tesla. Musk has already said the Tesla stock is over-valued.

Musk said that the delivery numbers didn't match analyst's expectations because production was affected due to a battery shortage. He went on to say that a new agreement with Panasonic will solve the problem, thus solve the production and delivery expectation problem. He may be right, but if he's wrong and the reason for the lower sales number is market conditions, then watch out. We'll find out over the next 2-3 quarters.

 

[Spungo]

Except it appears that this one didn't hit anything.

I assumed it hit something because the picture shows bits of plastic all over the road. I didn't care enough to read the article

 

[LTC8K6]

Except it is being reported that there was some sort of accident and it was not spontaneous.

I don't know. A drunk driver slams through a roundabout, a concrete wall and a tree, and walks away unscathed. Car sounds pretty safe to me. And Ford fixing fire hazards? Ha, tell that to the several dozen cops who have died because of the serious design flaw of the Crown Vic. Ford even knew of the design flaw decades before the first Crown Vic entered production. In the entire production run of the Crown Vic Ford NEVER fixed the design flaw and refused to have do a recall of them. To this day a lot/most of the Crown Vic fleet that is currently in service does NOT have fire suppression systems. Fortunately Crown Vics are now being phased out of most police departments.

You expect Ford to make the Crown Vic 65mph rear end collision worthy?

My point had nothing to do with whether a Tesla catches on fire more than a Ford or not. Or ever.

It doesn't matter how often Teslas catch fire, in fact.

I don't care if every other one bursts into flames spontaneously. :biggrin:

The point is that Tesla is a startup and can't afford any car fires, whereas Volkswagen or Nissan could tolerate quite a few.

 

[cliftonite]

Musk said that the delivery numbers didn't match analyst's expectations because production was affected due to a battery shortage. He went on to say that a new agreement with Panasonic will solve the problem, thus solve the production and delivery expectation problem. He may be right, but if he's wrong and the reason for the lower sales number is market conditions, then watch out. We'll find out over the next 2-3 quarters.

Musk also said that they were planning on building their own battery plant to meet the demand.

 

[gscone]

Musk also said that they were planning on building their own battery plant to meet the demand.

Where did you get this information from?

 

[Puppies04]

Except it is being reported that there was some sort of accident and it was not spontaneous.

I've seen at least 1 car recalled because of fears of static build up around the petrol filler causing explosions whilst filling. Plenty of others due to potential fuel leaks from components failing. These things don't just get found out, accidents happen adn are hushed up the majority of the time.