Tesla Motors death watch

[mrrman]

they have some neat looking cars and great technology...if they dont survive, there will be some good deals on their assests

 

[Kaido]

One fueled by hype, the other by cocaine.

Once Elon Musk runs out of suitcases full of pure, uncut Columbian hype, his unprofitable company is going to have issues.

Coincidentally, two of my favorite cars :biggrin:

In defense of the Delorean, the cocaine was a sting operation, but of course pop culture doesn't care I did one of my senior research papers on John Delorean & the DMC-12; it's a pity the car didn't make it further than it did. It was originally slated to be the first production car with airbags (and a host of other safety features), but due to production issues, it's probably one of the worst-design cars on the planet. Horrible double-Y frame design. If you flip the car, good luck getting out with the doors, especially with those tiny half-windows - the SLS-AMG fixed this issue by adding explosive bolts to an electronically-tied crash-detection system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLS_AMG#Safety

It was supposed to be 200 HP, but ended up being 130 HP (@ a 2700-pound curb weight) due to a 150 HP engine & catalytic converter requirements in the U.S., so performance is pretty crummy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_DMC-12#Performance

Not to mention, the stainless-steel design is simply for aesthetics; the underbody is fiberglass, like a Corvette. Which, when combined with the Y-frame design, gives absolutely terrible crash test results. I was in love with the car growing up, but after being hit a few times on the road, I decided I wanted a car with airbags, crumple zones, etc. haha. Here's a 40 MPH crash test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnOGXCnTOj0

The 35 MPH crash isn't much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRq_hR4W0I

But still, I wub it :wub:

 

[desura]

I just wonder about the environmental cost of producing the gigantic lithium ion battery.

Edit: reading this

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-...reen-are-automotive-lithium-ion-batteries.htm

it's really not that bad.

 

[Joe1987]

Goddamn it, missed another chance to sell "Right Now"

 

[Brovane]

So how is those predictions of Tesla Motors failure working out? Still waiting?

 

[Newell Steamer]

The company's stock has jumped since Feb. by $50. Also, given that it's debut was at $26,.. $258 (as of this post) in 4 years is pretty damn great.

 

[Brovane]

The company's stock has jumped since Feb. by $50. Also, given that it's debut was at $26,.. $258 (as of this post) in 4 years is pretty damn great.

And we know the logs are accurate how?

It the end, when Tesla goes belly up or its assets are sold off in 18-24 months this will all be a footnote in their history.

-KeithP
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2301368&page=3

Hmmmmm:\

 

[norseamd]

So how is those predictions of Tesla Motors failure working out? Still waiting?

This thread came up on my subscribed threads list and this is what I was going to write before I even clicked on the link.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Hmmmmm:\

At the end of the day, these forums (as well as other areas of the net) are rife with armchair experts.

And, yes, I am one of them - but, I admit when and where I am wrong.

Also, keep in mind that some folks on here have 'trouble' with gift cards for God's sake,.. I am not sure anyone was expecting anyone to actually "Call It". But, the naysayers certainly did feel they were (or were gong to be) right - and on that point, we go back up to the 1st sentence of this post,...

 

[Brovane]

At the end of the day, these forums (as well as other areas of the net) are rife with armchair experts.

And, yes, I am one of them - but, I admit when and where I am wrong.

Also, keep in mind that some folks on here have 'trouble' with gift cards for God's sake,.. I am not sure anyone was expecting anyone to actually "Call It". But, the naysayers certainly did feel they were (or were gong to be) right - and on that point, we go back up to the 1st sentence of this post,...

I thought everyone was a expert here.

Takes a good person to admit when they are wrong.:thumbsup:

In all fairness Tesla Motors keeps surprising a lot of experts. I think it is funny that it seems like predictions of Tesla's failure is always about 2-years in the future.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I think it is funny that it seems like predictions of Tesla's failure is always about 2-years in the future.

,.. wait 'til.

,.. wait 'til.

,.. wait 'til.

 

[Vdubchaos]

So how is those predictions of Tesla Motors failure working out? Still waiting?

Where is your Tesla car?

Its still a product that exists only due to rich hippsters.

Regardless where their stock is, that's completely irrelevant.

We have a dealer in our town, it's completely empty with one car in the showroom. I still haven't seen a soul there and it seems like they have 1 employe......in the building size of a huge warehouse.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Where is your Tesla car?

Its still a product that exists only due to rich hippsters.

Regardless where their stock is, that's completely irrelevant.

We have a dealer in our town, it's completely empty with one car in the showroom. I still haven't seen a soul there and it seems like they have 1 employe......in the building size of a huge warehouse.

Another you should only post when you actually know what you're talking about which isn't much. Do a little research then come back to us...

There's a reason why there is only one car in the showroom.

 

[Drako]

We have a dealer in our town, it's completely empty with one car in the showroom. I still haven't seen a soul there and it seems like they have 1 employe......in the building size of a huge warehouse.

That's how most of their "showrooms" are. One or two cars and one or two guys to answer questions and help you order. They only have one model (S) at this time, so ...

 

[Vdubchaos]

Again, how many Anandtech members own Teslas? If you think the product is so great, why aren't you be willing to be a Ginnie pig?

What is it that you think makes them so great?

I know a lot of people believe in magic etc, but the truth is there is no easy answer to ENERGY question.

History is a good indicator of the future. Electric cars have come and gone for over a century and a half.

That's how most of their "showrooms" are. One or two cars and one or two guys to answer questions and help you order. They only have one model (S) at this time, so ...

Is that your argument/answer here? "They are the way they are".

There is a REASON

The reason is, company has very little profits and can only afford to hire 1/2 people and only have 1/2 cars in the show room.

Which begs the question. Why in the world would they have a 30-50k sq ft building and a parking lot that holds 100s of cars (both are completely EMPTY)???

 

[drbrock]

My boss owns one. She loves it. However, she does get a lot of speeding tickets with it. She said that it is so quiet and quick that it she is always speeding.

Would I own one? No. Too expensive/can't afford and can't really go long distances. For me to make it to my college football games in Gainesville that I go to a few times a year I would have to rent a car or have to charge it on my way there. Makes my 3 hour trip turn into a 4 hour trip each way.

If I had two cars at my disposal I would def consider it over other cars in the price range.

 

[Vdubchaos]

My boss owns one. She loves it. However, she does get a lot of speeding tickets with it. She said that it is so quiet and quick that it she is always speeding.

Would I own one? No. Too expensive/can't afford and can't really go long distances. For me to make it to my college football games in Gainesville that I go to a few times a year I would have to rent a car or have to charge it on my way there. Makes my 3 hour trip turn into a 4 hour trip each way.

If I had two cars at my disposal I would def consider it over other cars in the price range.

I don't ever see myself owning one.

Give it to me for free, I'm selling it.

Electric cars simply limit your freedom. You are limited and the second anything is "unplanned" or out of ordinary happens.....you are screwed.

It still blows my mind that people buy NIssan Leaf too. Thing has about 45k of BTUs (that's less than 1/2 the energy of a gallon of gas). Second you hit traffic or go beyond 15-20 mile range.....good luck getting back.

Just silly.

But I say, more power to Nissan and TEsla for selling these things.

 

[phucheneh]

So how is those predictions of Tesla Motors failure working out? Still waiting?

Never underestimate the power of marketing, I guess.

I wouldn't have believed anyone if they had told me in 2010 that the same group of hipsters would still be willing to pay $600+ for an iPhone in five years.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Again, how many Anandtech members own Teslas? If you think the product is so great, why aren't you be willing to be a Ginnie pig?

What is it that you think makes them so great?

I know a lot of people believe in magic etc, but the truth is there is no easy answer to ENERGY question.

History is a good indicator of the future. Electric cars have come and gone for over a century and a half.



Is that your argument/answer here? "They are the way they are".

There is a REASON

The reason is, company has very little profits and can only afford to hire 1/2 people and only have 1/2 cars in the show room.

Which begs the question. Why in the world would they have a 30-50k sq ft building and a parking lot that holds 100s of cars (both are completely EMPTY)???

More /facepalm

 

[Linux23]

I don't ever see myself owning one.

Give it to me for free, I'm selling it.

Electric cars simply limit your freedom. You are limited and the second anything is "unplanned" or out of ordinary happens.....you are screwed.

It still blows my mind that people buy NIssan Leaf too. Thing has about 45k of BTUs (that's less than 1/2 the energy of a gallon of gas). Second you hit traffic or go beyond 15-20 mile range.....good luck getting back.

Just silly.

But I say, more power to Nissan and TEsla for selling these things.

The dumb is strong in this young padawan.

 

[Rebel44]

Again, how many Anandtech members own Teslas? If you think the product is so great, why aren't you be willing to be a Ginnie pig?

What is it that you think makes them so great?

I know a lot of people believe in magic etc, but the truth is there is no easy answer to ENERGY question.

History is a good indicator of the future. Electric cars have come and gone for over a century and a half.



Is that your argument/answer here? "They are the way they are".

There is a REASON

The reason is, company has very little profits and can only afford to hire 1/2 people and only have 1/2 cars in the show room.

Which begs the question. Why in the world would they have a 30-50k sq ft building and a parking lot that holds 100s of cars (both are completely EMPTY)???

When I visited their "dealership" they were just receiving shipment of around 15-20 cars. Day later, they only had their 3 loaners/showroom vehicles.

They build cars to order. Unlike other carmakers, Tesla doesnt have any significant stockpile.

I am currently saving for Model 3, for which I plan to spend around $50K+ tax (options like tech package, upgraded battery etc. included).

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ah, so now the thread changes direction,..

It's no longer about armchair experts predicting the direction of this company from it's financials,.. (which again, was TOTALLY wrong).

It is now about:
- Well,... I don't see anyone who owns one,..
- It's a stupid electric car, no one wants your stupid electric car,...
- Yeah, yeah, yeah,.. stock price, smock price. I mean SURE I was leaning on such financials earlier this year, but now, (since it is counter to my "points"), I've ruled it as an irrelevant metric in measuring how successful Tesla is.
- Uhm, when your Tesla breaks down, who is going to repair it for you? A mechanic?? Or an electrician?? Because a mechanic won't know what to do!! And, an electrician won't know how to fix a car!! Dumbasses,..
- You idiots must also believe in perpetual motion,.. FEH!! Buffoons,...

 

[bigi]

I vote it the dumbest thread in AT history.

OP you've won.

 

[Perknose]

Re: The Delorean's engine:

It was supposed to be 200 HP, but ended up being 130 HP (@ a 2700-pound curb weight) due to a 150 HP engine & catalytic converter requirements in the U.S., so performance is pretty crummy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_DMC-12#Performance

They used a V-6 that was the love child of a three-way between Peugeot, Volvo and Renault.

Need I say more?

Ok, it was originally designed as a 90 degree V-8, but ended up being a 90 degree V-6 because of the 1973 oil crisis. V-6s are better designed with a 60 degree cant.

And so was born the little engine that can't.

 

[norseamd]

That must have had horrible engine balancing with all the vibrations and noise not to mention the engine lifespan and cost of maintaining and repairing everything.