Tesla Motors death watch

[Aharami]

a high school friend of mine (now an acquaintance) heads up the trading desk at some hedge fund. His firm is big into Tesla apparently because of what's to come down the line. He even met Musk a couple times. According to him, TSLA is here to stay

 

[werepossum]

The Universe is way ahead of you on that one.

QFT

Tesla is a niche company that specializes in selling a product that rich people like to be seen driving. It's also a very good product. It's a company that has proven skilled at changing tax money into Tesla money. And it's run by a very rich, very smart man. Those things argue for Tesla surviving long term, regardless of the bath its early investors take on the stock (which could well turn around with one good high-selling model anyway.)

 

[zinfamous]

It's like you're speaking to yourself :hmm:

Man, my post was a true tester on "Let's bring out the hippies that think they are making a difference"

all your post tested was how grossly uninformed you are. ...you also suck at comebacks.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Tesla had an awesome idea; they basically got savagely attacked by the rest of the auto industry when they realized what a threat they posed.

Sounds familiar, like Tucker.

 

[rh71]

Tesla needs to follow through with their own vision: http://www.eco-business.com/news/telsa-ceo-unveils-hyperloop-solar-powered-high-speed-train-future/

 

[HopJokey]

The Model S's are like Honda Civics in my employee parking lot where I work. There are more Model S's than the car I drive (Ford Focus).

Tesla is probably over valued ($22B market cap vs. Ford at ~$40B) and there will be extreme volatility in the share price, but they will probably be here to stay.

Tesla has been successful because they built a great car that happens to be electric. The instant torque is amazing. Test drive one and you'll see what I'm talking about. Check out this review as well:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/09/tesla-model-s-vs-aston-martin-rapide-s-video/

 

[Crono]

The Model S's are like Honda Civics in my employee parking lot where I work. There are more Model S's than the car I drive (Ford Focus).

Tesla is probably over valued ($22B market cap vs. Ford at ~$40B) and there will be extreme volatility in the share price, but they will probably be here to stay.

Tesla has been successful because they built a great car that happens to be electric. The instant torque is amazing. Test drive one and you'll see what I'm talking about. Check out this review as well:

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/09/tesla-model-s-vs-aston-martin-rapide-s-video/

Yeah, the torque and silence of a motor versus a combustion engine are often overlooked advantages of electric cars.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

all your post tested was how grossly uninformed you are. ...you also suck at comebacks.

I see... It is quite obvious how uninformed I am from your complete lack of counter/retort :hmm:

In no way did I ever claim Tesla doesn't have something good going for them - nor do I claim that their isn't a clear money savings as far as the consumer goes.

The only one uninformed are people such as yourself that thinks wind/solar/nuclear makes up ANY significant part of your electric grid. You are stunningly deceived to an infinite level.

 

[HopJokey]

Yeah, the torque and silence of a motor versus a combustion engine are often overlooked advantages of electric cars.

Yup that has been noticed before in the Hybrids like Priuses which were "faster than you think". But with 416 hp (310 kW) and 443 ft·lb (600 N·m) engine it is insane.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I see... It is quite obvious how uninformed I am from your complete lack of counter/retort :hmm:

In no way did I ever claim Tesla doesn't have something good going for them - nor do I claim that their isn't a clear money savings as far as the consumer goes.

The only one uninformed are people such as yourself that thinks wind/solar/nuclear makes up ANY significant part of your electric grid. You are stunningly deceived to an infinite level.

Study Says Electric Cars With Worst Coal Plants Still Cleaner Than Convention Gas Cars

 

[Spungo]

and when batteries aren't so messy to dispose of

I think they mostly fixed the disposal issue. Lead batteries are bad because they contain lead, cadmium batteries are bad because they contain cadmium, nickel batteries are bad because they contain nickel. Lithium is nowhere near as bad as other metals. Electric cars also do not chug through a gallon of motor oil every 6 months. The idiots who throw batteries in the ditch are the same idiots who pour motor oil on their lawn.

Someone mentioned growing revenue. It's true that Tesla is selling more units every quarter, but it's also losing more money every quarter. yahoo finance. As far as I can tell, Q1 in 2013 is the only quarter that has ever shown positive net income. It goes back to negative returns in Q2. From Q1 to Q2, gross profit increased by 4 million, but SG&A costs rose by 13 million. In that one quarter that did have a profit, the operating income was still (5.6 million). The balance was only positive because "other income" brought in 17 million. That other income means government handouts and selling carbon credits.

Even if the company manages to turn it all around and become profitable, the stock will still drop dramatically. The forward PE ratio is 102.52. Now compare that to other car companies.
Toyota: 16.7
Honda: 19.4
GM: 13.2
Honda: 13.2
Volkswagen: 4.5

I hope the company stays in business, but it seems like an open and shut case that the stock price will drop by a huge amount.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Study Says Electric Cars With Worst Coal Plants Still Cleaner Than Convention Gas Cars

Where did I ever claim that it produced more than fuel tank cars? Apparently your brain clearly has a problem of randomly inserting words into other people's posts. I guess that explains why you're randomly inserting it in your ass too :sneaky:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Where did I ever claim that it produced more than fuel tank cars? Apparently your brain clearly has a problem of randomly inserting words into other people's posts. I guess that explains why you're randomly inserting it in your ass too :sneaky:

Retard, if someone is driving an electric vehicle instead of a conventional gas vehicle is it better for the environment?

Electric cars: "Going Green" for the mentally retarded. Derp derp, if I plug my car into this outlet, I'm helping the environment!!

...Where does that electricity comes from? How is that electricity produced? *Proceed to beat over the head with a tire iron*

 

[Albatross]

Somebody shorted the Tesla stock and now he`s upset.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

It's true that Tesla is selling more units every quarter, but it's also losing more money every quarter. yahoo finance. As far as I can tell, Q1 in 2013 is the only quarter that has ever shown positive net income. It goes back to negative returns in Q2. From Q1 to Q2, gross profit increased by 4 million, but SG&A costs rose by 13 million. In that one quarter that did have a profit, the operating income was still (5.6 million). The balance was only positive because "other income" brought in 17 million. That other income means government handouts and selling carbon credits.

Even if the company manages to turn it all around and become profitable, the stock will still drop dramatically. The forward PE ratio is 102.52. Now compare that to other car companies.
Toyota: 16.7
Honda: 19.4
GM: 13.2
Honda: 13.2
Volkswagen: 4.5

I hope the company stays in business, but it seems like an open and shut case that the stock price will drop by a huge amount.

Lets short 100,000 shares. Who's in? EZ money!

 

[Imp]

We're reaching a bit with these death watch threads. RIM's foundation was looking shaky when the thread was made because they couldn't change with the times. Their market share hadn't falling off yet but was declining. The Apple death watch thread is a stretch because while they aren't evolving as fast as other companies, they are still doing incredibly well and still have the "cool" image that will automatically give them a large chunk of market share.

Tesla is none of those. They have quality products (Consumer Reports rated the Model S as the highest of any car they have ever tested), they have sales, they have the support of Toyota, they have the engineering, and they have the cool factor.

They had some spots where they went close to going under, but they are as solid as they've ever been right now. They are a hot company right now, but they do have good tech and engineering to sustain them.

Booooo.. we all need to waste some time somehow. Why not do it speculating about the failure of a massive company that's doing okay?

 

[zinfamous]

The only one uninformed are people such as yourself that thinks wind/solar/nuclear makes up ANY significant part of your electric grid. You are stunningly deceived to an infinite level.

and yet your continuing failure to understand the value of drawing more from even a dirty grid continues to provide a source of pity laughs from those that read your comments.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

and yet your continuing failure to understand the value of drawing more from even a dirty grid continues to provide a source of pity laughs from those that read your comments.

Really? All I see is a circle jerk from all the people out of Bay Area / Californistan

 

[zinfamous]

Really? All I see is a circle jerk from all the people out of Bay Area / Californistan

it's easy to see such things when your vision has difficulty escaping the cloud of idiocy surrounding your frontal cortex.

 

[Perknose]

I don't want to name names, but a certain s0me0ne has really embarrassed himself here. He reminds me of this guy.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I don't want to name names, but a certain s0me0ne has really embarrassed himself here. He reminds me of this guy.

C'mon everyone! Back in the pile!

 

[Spungo]

Lets short 100,000 shares. Who's in? EZ money!

Be patient, young grasshopper. Wait until the closing price drops below the exponential moving average. What length of moving average is up to you. Shorter averages can give sooner buy or sell points, but the risk of getting it wrong is higher.
current price: $188.64
current 20 day EMA: $168.77
current 50 day EMA: $151.82
current 100 day EMA: $127.61
current 200 day EMA: $91.2

When a stock is entirely based on hype with no real earnings, chart reading and crystal balls are all we have to work with. If using the 20 day EMA, the buy point would have been $37 in March, and the sell point would have been $109 in July, which is sort of wrong because it kept going up. Selling too soon while still making a killer profit in just 5 months would be acceptable if one was selling shares they actually owned because it doesn't cost anything when the stock keeps going up. Short selling is way more dangerous, so there's less room for error. 20 days has already proven to be unreliable during this current bubble. 50, I don't know. 100 seems like a reasonably safe number. I'll short it when the closing price drops below the 100 day EMA.

Booooo.. we all need to waste some time somehow. Why not do it speculating about the failure of a massive company that's doing okay?

Having a -16% profit margin while reporting record losses = doing okay.
/California logic
Is there any way to short the entire state of California? It's drowning in debt right now and there's a law of economics that tax revenues can almost never exceed 20% of GDP, meaning they can't tax their way out of this.

 

[Capt Caveman]

OP - I recommend that you hire someone to do your investing.

 

[natto fire]

I don't want to name names, but a certain s0me0ne has really embarrassed himself here. He reminds me of this guy.

I was gathering the same thing, it all starts back at this post:

Electric cars: "Going Green" for the mentally retarded. Derp derp, if I plug my car into this outlet, I'm helping the environment!!

...Where does that electricity comes from? How is that electricity produced? *Proceed to beat over the head with a tire iron*

and proceeds to spiral downwards from there. I know that "renewable" energy is overall a small portion of energy sources today, but it is slowly starting to shift. It is not even remotely implausible to have a solar array capable of charging an EV.

The other benefits of the electric motor are pointed out in this thread, in their simplicity, minimal moving parts compared to a reciprocating IC engine. As battery technology improves, and the Model S is clearly a step in the right direction, as far as using it as a structural member and going for high energy density, you get more advantage of storing energy otherwise wasted in heating up some rotors and pads. Electric motors surpass combustion motors for on-demand torque.

As far as Tesla Motors, they seem pretty popular to me, but who knows how long that will last, but I am really hoping they carry this momentum to secure more supply lines, and develop a more affordable model. If they did a coupe and sedan, that would be great, but even a smaller sedan to start with is probably in the works?

 

[HopJokey]

If they did a coupe and sedan, that would be great, but even a smaller sedan to start with is probably in the works?

Next up is an SUV/Crossover called the Model X. About the same specs and price as the Model S.

After that is "Gen III". Rumored to be called the Model E. Smaller coupe/sedan to compete with the BMW 3 series. $40K and 200 mile range are the targets.