So am I actually. I was expecting to get rid of it after maybe 7-8years, but haven't felt the need to.
That's one reason I'm still curious about a $40000-45000 Tesla even if it doesn't arrive for a few years. So far I think I can wait that long with this old Prius. However, I suspect it would be more like $55000 with extended battery, etc., plus $3000 for the charging station), which is probably more than I would want to spend, and again we're getting into Lexus hybrid territory then.
A) I live in a major city (fourth largest) and I have not seen one.
Sounds like you should check the Volt out. I'm still not sold on entirely electric cars -- one minute to dump gas into tank versus minimum 1 hour to get anything resembling a decent charge.
I think they missed the mark on the Volt. It's a good car, but it should have been marketed as a high end car. You can't tell me a $40,000 hybrid car is economical in some way. It's basically a Cruze with a hybrid system that cost more than twice as much. In my mind, it should have been something like an electric Mustang with a 20hp generator in the back. It would have the incredible torque of an electric motor and the driving range of a normal car. Volts are sold at a huge loss because they're more complicated than a Tesla but are priced cheaper. It just doesn't make sense.
Not gonna lie, I went and watched the keynote speech that introduced the Tesla Model "X"...and now I want one of them even more than a model S.
Its 20 minutes for 200km range on a Tesla.
I feel like cities have got to be a less than ideal market.
I love the idea of a plugin, electric car... but who the heck has a driveway in a city? it's very rare for me to drive more than 10-20 miles at a stretch (tbh, I could go without my car entirely if it wasn't for visiting friends/family who live further out in the suburbs, and just the convenience of being able to drive to big grocery stores/not be subservient to a train schedule), but my car is either parked in the street or in a municipal lot, not exactly convenient charging stops.
I saw an Aston Martin yesterday. In Stockholm where they really can't enjoy the car for more than a few months of the year. I see Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Buggatis, and some fool even parked his $1M+ McLaren on the back street by the exit to a movie theater in the middle of the winter which blew my mind. I haven't seen a Tesla because they haven't brought them here yet and you'd need to go to Oslo to get one and then put a charger in your garage.
The people that buy these cars will surely buy a Tesla just like those in the states but money is no object for anyone who owns one. They should be charging way more until demand and supply are closer.
Lol. This is a joke, right? "Death Watch" threads are the absolute dumbest threads possible. They arent dying off. It's only gaining momentum.
Judging by how many people lately have been needing high amperage car chargers installed in their garages for these cars, it's a boom that just getting underway.
If I ever read that you're sick or have an illness, I'm making a "Spungo Death Watch" thread. Book it!
What?I feel like cities have got to be a less than ideal market.
I love the idea of a plugin, electric car... but who the fuck has a driveway in a city? it's very rare for me to drive more than 10-20 miles at a stretch (tbh, I could go without my car entirely if it wasn't for visiting friends/family who live further out in the suburbs, and just the convenience of being able to drive to big grocery stores/not be subservient to a train schedule), but my car is either parked in the street or in a municipal lot, not exactly convenient charging stops.
This got me thinking...How well would they perform in cold/freezing climates? Aren't lithium batteries notoriously awful in cold temperatures?
Or am I think of the wrong battery chemistry, or perhaps Tesla has somehow designed these batteries without such flaws?
Another 52 week high today
Its 20 minutes for 200km range on a Tesla.
*IF* you live near a Supercharger. There's only one in my whole state, and it's a 1.5 hour route trip from where I live, and I'd lose 50 miles of range on the way back just to drive home
Tesla had an awesome idea; they basically got savagely attacked by the rest of the auto industry when they realized what a threat they posed.
This got me thinking...How well would they perform in cold/freezing climates? Aren't lithium batteries notoriously awful in cold temperatures?
Or am I think of the wrong battery chemistry, or perhaps Tesla has somehow designed these batteries without such flaws?
This thread rightly turned into the Tesla Circle Jerk Thread to be fair despite the OP's intentions. The RIM Death Watch thread was so successful that there were going to be others trying to catch the next falling star. The Apple one is just as stupid.Lol. This is a joke, right? "Death Watch" threads are the absolute dumbest threads possible. They arent dying off. It's only gaining momentum.
Judging by how many people lately have been needing high amperage car chargers installed in their garages for these cars, it's a boom that just getting underway.
If I ever read that you're sick or have an illness, I'm making a "Spungo Death Watch" thread. Book it!
Yeah, my dad's Leaf gets about 75 miles but that's in San Diego. It rarely gets colder than 50F and it rarely gets hotter than 90F. Our family was in Vancouver a few months back and in one day traveling the city, I saw three Teslas. I know it doesn't get crazy cold there but it did surprise me. I guess it's just because of how wealthy the city is and how dirt cheap the power is.Batteries in general hate cold weather, not only do they not last as long but it shortens their life spans meaning more frequent expensive changes. Not to mention heating a car in winter is an easy thing with combustion engines.
Electric cars will definitely be a niche item in colder climates, as they'll be mostly a summer driver. I've only seen one Tesla here in Minneapolis. I remember clearly driving one lane over and a couple cars behind it, wondering what the heck kind of car it was. It wasn't until I got closer that I saw the T logo.
That is the flaw. On the existing 80-mile batteries, you lose about 50% of the range in cold temps (40F or less). So you go from 82 EPA to like 40 or 50. They've mostly figured out the hot temperature stuff, but the cold is still a big issue. It varies with the Tesla because it has a bigger battery, but the hits are still pretty bad:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...e-of-the-tesla-model-s-electric-car/index.htm
In addition, you battery loses max capacity over time. I read somewhere that after 3 years, you get down to like 80 or 90% of the original life. Definitely makes leasing more attractive.
They aren't going to revolutionize transportation, like someone said, a Nissan Versa and a lifetime supply of gasoline would be cheaper. Fossil fuels are king and always will be.
It doesn't matter how expensive oil becomes, since battery tech relies on the fossil fuel economy and will always be a less efficient derivative thereof.
Damn spungo, how much money have you lost shorting TLSA?
Only a bitter short would put this much efforts into it. Let it go dude.