Tess Holliday: 250 lb model

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Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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Question.

Is 'not' patting this girl on the back, saying everything is ok, and telling her being obese is perfectly healthy the same as fat shaming?

Beauty and being 'perfectly healthy' are two totally different things and you know that. You are conflating the two to take a judgemental stance by saying that because she isn't perfectly healthy, she can't be beautiful and shouldn't be 'rewarded' by your affection so as not to reenforce what you perceive to be negative behavior. This is childish nonsense. People find beauty in every shape, color and size, just because you don't does not mean she isn't. It means you have a different subjective opinion on the topic.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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I love that she started the hashtag #effyourbeauty standards, but in all of her photos she has tons of makeup, plucked eyebrows, waxed lip, fake hair, and photos taken from the most flattering angles possible.

I think it's wildly irresponsible to advocate such an unhealthy lifestyle to the public at large. Hopefully people will still be paying attention to her when she's dead at 40 years old due to obesity related illness.
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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I love that she started the hashtag #effyourbeauty standards, but in all of her photos she has tons of makeup, plucked eyebrows, waxed lip, fake hair, and photos taken from the most flattering angles possible.

I think it's wildly irresponsible to advocate such an unhealthy lifestyle to the public at large. Hopefully people will still be paying attention to her when she's dead at 40 years old due to obesity related illness.

Are the tobacco and alcohol industries wildly irresponsible too? Or have we move passed personal accountability there as well?

If anything, the insanely unrealistic standards for beauty for women in advertising are FAR more dangerous than anything this model will ever do in her lifetime.
 

Nebor

Lifer
Jun 24, 2003
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Are the tobacco and alcohol industries wildly irresponsible too? Or have we move passed personal accountability there as well?

If anything, the insanely unrealistic standards for beauty for women in advertising are FAR more dangerous than anything this model will ever do in her lifetime.

Get real. We have an obesity epidemic in this country. Most people are overweight. Most health care dollars are spent treating obesity related illnesses. We don't have an eating disorder epidemic, that's for damn sure. There's nothing "dangerous" about striving to be better than you are. We've just managed to raise a generation of whiners who would rather tear down others than build themselves up because it's easier to do so.

LOL @ a fat acceptance defender trying to rally behind personal responsibility. This fat, disgusting, whale of a woman has NO personal responsibility. She can't even count calories or use a little willpower and control what she eats. The fact that some diabolical clothing company realized that they could capitalize on her corpulent ass by appealing to all the other lazy, worthless fucks that'd rather post on tumblr than go for a run doesn't make her right, or admirable in any way.
 

HTFOff

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I think the real question here is why is BMI still a thing?

I'm 6'4'' 225 sub 10% body fat . My "fitness" level is on a hundred thousand trillion.

According to BMI i'm one big mac away from being obese. :hmm:
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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Get real. We have an obesity epidemic in this country. Most people are overweight. Most health care dollars are spent treating obesity related illnesses. We don't have an eating disorder epidemic, that's for damn sure. There's nothing "dangerous" about striving to be better than you are. We've just managed to raise a generation of whiners who would rather tear down others than build themselves up because it's easier to do so.

LOL @ a fat acceptance defender trying to rally behind personal responsibility. This fat, disgusting, whale of a woman has NO personal responsibility. She can't even count calories or use a little willpower and control what she eats. The fact that some diabolical clothing company realized that they could capitalize on her corpulent ass by appealing to all the other lazy, worthless fucks that'd rather post on tumblr than go for a run doesn't make her right, or admirable in any way.


No, we've raised an entire generation of women who feel ashamed of their bodies because they don't look like an airbrushed farce of a human skeleton. This directly relates to the alarming rate of growth of mental health disorders that carry their own stigma. Not everyone cares about being in shape or living to 80, who are you to judge what someone else does with their own lives?

And amusingly, if we have an entire nation of overweight people as you say, and this is all during the period where there was NO plus sized models whatsoever being shown, then how does your concern even make one bit of fucking sense at all? Shouldn't we all be rail thin and happy since that's what the advertisements told us?

I would say she's personally responsible for her actions and doesn't care what you think about them, hence her belief in this campaign. She's not blaming anyone for how she is, she's proud of it.

You didn't answer the tobacco/alcohol question either. Should those ads be banned as well so as not to promote such unhealthy lifestyles?
 

masterxfob

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May 20, 2001
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i'm quite disgusted at some of the responses. this women may be obese, but she's happy with herself and isn't afraid to be seen in a tasteful manner. how many of you nerds can rightly say the same about yourselves?

i know part of it's me just getting older, but i gotta say more than that, the standards here have just turned to shit :thumbsdown:
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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i'm quite disgusted at some of the responses. this women may be obese, but she's happy with herself and isn't afraid to be seen in a tasteful manner. how many of you nerds can rightly say the same about yourselves?

i know part of it's me just getting older, but i gotta say more than that, the standards here have just turned to shit :thumbsdown:

you're not alone, but the standards here related to certain topics have always been shit sadly.
 

Svnla

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I think this is my acceptable level of "curvyness". The one in the OP is too much for me.


 
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pauldun170

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So taking the stance that there can and should be more than one opinion on something opens her up for criticism? What an interesting and open-minded viewpoint.

Yes
Taking the stance that there can and should be more than one opinion on something REQUIRES debate and criticism on any subject.
This applies to any topic
 

pauldun170

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Beauty and being 'perfectly healthy' are two totally different things and you know that. You are conflating the two to take a judgemental stance by saying that because she isn't perfectly healthy, she can't be beautiful and shouldn't be 'rewarded' by your affection so as not to reenforce what you perceive to be negative behavior. This is childish nonsense. People find beauty in every shape, color and size, just because you don't does not mean she isn't. It means you have a different subjective opinion on the topic.


Beauty has typically been defined by skin quality, proportion and anatomical features. Generally a healthy appearance in addition to other characteristics (inner beauty).

To accept the standards you and this model seem to propose would be to abandon historical notions of beauty and basically apply it to Chris Christie done up for Kabuki theater. Essentially, screw the external features. Just judge me on my personality.

Obesity is a health issue and this woman is clearly WAY past the borderline between overweight and obese.
 

CoPhotoGuy

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Beauty has typically been defined by skin quality, proportion and anatomical features. Generally a healthy appearance in addition to other characteristics (inner beauty).

To accept the standards you and this model seem to propose would be to abandon historical notions of beauty and basically apply it to Chris Christie done up for Kabuki theater. Essentially, screw the external features. Just judge me on my personality.

Obesity is a health issue and this woman is clearly WAY past the borderline between overweight and obese.

And the fact that she obviously doesn't care about her health is very unattractive.
 

Crono

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I think she's living in the wrong millennium. She has the figure of a Mesopotamian fertility goddess.
 

Nebor

Lifer
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No, we've raised an entire generation of women who feel ashamed of their bodies because they don't look like an airbrushed farce of a human skeleton. This directly relates to the alarming rate of growth of mental health disorders that carry their own stigma. Not everyone cares about being in shape or living to 80, who are you to judge what someone else does with their own lives?

And amusingly, if we have an entire nation of overweight people as you say, and this is all during the period where there was NO plus sized models whatsoever being shown, then how does your concern even make one bit of fucking sense at all? Shouldn't we all be rail thin and happy since that's what the advertisements told us?

I would say she's personally responsible for her actions and doesn't care what you think about them, hence her belief in this campaign. She's not blaming anyone for how she is, she's proud of it.

You didn't answer the tobacco/alcohol question either. Should those ads be banned as well so as not to promote such unhealthy lifestyles?


Tobacco and alcohol can be safely enjoyed in moderation. She's not advocating moderation. She's advocating for gluttony and piggishness.

No one is telling women they need to look like airbrushed skeletons, but the average weight of an American woman in 1950 was 125lbs. The average weight of an American woman today is 156lbs. That's not genetics. That's ready availability of delicious food, sedentary lifestyles and poor impulse control.

But really, we spent most of the 1990s and 2000s seeing fat people everywhere and no one really cared. But when they start advocating for "fat acceptance" and "health at any size," they're not only placing other people in danger by encouraging obesity, they're denigrating the hard work of people who are actually attractive in an effort to make themselves feel better. These are people who really believe it's easier to change the worlds' standards than to change themselves for the better. Then they cry and complain when reality smacks them in the face by showing them a "beach body ready" advertisement, or Chad Thundercock shooting them down at the bar.

Your entire argument in favor of mediocrity is disgusting and shameful. And it's symptomatic of a widespread lack of ambition, drive, self-control and willpower among generation x, y & z. It's a good god damn thing we didn't have people like you around in the 1960s saying, "Why should we go to the moon? The earth is just as valid a place to walk. Quit planet shaming the Russians!"

My hatred for you knows no bounds, scumbag.
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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Tobacco and alcohol can be safely enjoyed in moderation. She's not advocating moderation. She's advocating for gluttony and piggishness.

No one is telling women they need to look like airbrushed skeletons, but the average weight of an American woman in 1950 was 125lbs. The average weight of an American woman today is 156lbs. That's not genetics. That's ready availability of delicious food, sedentary lifestyles and poor impulse control.

But really, we spent most of the 1990s and 2000s seeing fat people everywhere and no one really cared. But when they start advocating for "fat acceptance" and "health at any size," they're not only placing other people in danger by encouraging obesity, they're denigrating the hard work of people who are actually attractive in an effort to make themselves feel better. These are people who really believe it's easier to change the worlds' standards than to change themselves for the better. Then they cry and complain when reality smacks them in the face by showing them a "beach body ready" advertisement, or Chad Thundercock shooting them down at the bar.

Your entire argument in favor of mediocrity is disgusting and shameful. And it's symptomatic of a widespread lack of ambition, drive, self-control and willpower among generation x, y & z. It's a good god damn thing we didn't have people like you around in the 1960s saying, "Why should we go to the moon? The earth is just as valid a place to walk. Quit planet shaming the Russians!"

My hatred for you knows no bounds, scumbag.

you used to be a much better troll, Nebor.
 

88keys

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Women can somehow defeat the physics of space and reality. It's like their fat doesn't weigh as much and it's twice as volume as men. Some of them can have the profile of the Death Star and only weigh 200 pounds. Which is only 15 pounds more than me and I look like a rail at 6' tall and 185.
Women are more likely to be dishonest about their weight. Unless she's 4'10"; I'd bet that woman is pushing 300lbs.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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some wtfness:

- She's only 29
- Modeling information
Height 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m)
Hair color Brown
Eye color Brown
Measurements 49-49-52 (UK/US);
124-124-132 (EU)
Dress size 22 (US); 26 (UK); 52 (EU)
Shoe size 8.5 (US)


finally:
https://instagram.com/tessholliday/
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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Beauty and being 'perfectly healthy' are two totally different things and you know that. You are conflating the two to take a judgemental stance by saying that because she isn't perfectly healthy, she can't be beautiful and shouldn't be 'rewarded' by your affection so as not to reenforce what you perceive to be negative behavior. This is childish nonsense. People find beauty in every shape, color and size, just because you don't does not mean she isn't. It means you have a different subjective opinion on the topic.

I never mentioned anything about beauty in my post. With all due respect, you're affixing that to my statement, and then criticising that statement. Please remove 'beauty' from what you think I posted, and re-asses my comment.
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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I never mentioned anything about beauty in my post. With all due respect, you're affixing that to my statement, and then criticising that statement. Please remove 'beauty' from what you think I posted, and re-asses my comment.

Um it's in the OP, it's what she actually says. If you were not replying to that, then what were you replying to?
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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Um it's in the OP, it's what she actually says. If you were not replying to that, then what were you replying to?

The mention of fat shaming. You had said it's been a while since we had a fat shaming thread. Actual Fat Shaming isn't about beauty per se, it's about calling out weak people for being morbidly obese and thinking it's ok. Being that obese IS shameful. However, obese people are campaigning to make it a negative thing so that they don't have to feel bad about themselves. Instead they want to make the people who think their lifestyle is shameful feel bad about themselves.

Great definition from Urban Dictionary:

1) A term made by obese people to avoid the responsibility to actually take proper care of their body and instead victimize themself by pretending they're discriminated like an ethnic group. When confronted with someone like that they will ignore all the facts about obesity being unhealthy and pretend it's some sort of evil socially constructed conspiracy by teh patriarchy

2) fat shaming is the act of poking fun of someone for being overweight, or telling someone they are worthless, useless, lazy, or disgusting because they are overweight.
Like most terms, this has been adoptwisted by Radical Neofeminists to mean something very different. Under the RNF definition, it means " to make an overweight female feel in any way uncomfortable, usually by telling her anything is wrong with her weight."
This unfortunately includes Doctors telling them to lose weight for their health and suggesting diets or friends saying that their clothes are too tight, even men very politely refusing dates because they just don't find them attractive.


This girl could be an amazing beautiful person on the inside, but there's no way to spin it. She's embracing an unnattractive, unhealthy lifestyle and trying to convince us it's ok. It's not. It actually is shameful.
 
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