Testostrone Gel-Anyone used?

[alkemyst]

Yep. Not defensive at all.
Anyways, the thread's title was "Testosterone Gel-Anyone used?" I thought all talk of testosterone was open territory in this thread especially after you opened things up first? If you or the OP would rather not hear of my side any more then you can have the mods ban me or I think there's some kind of ignore feature built into AT so that anyone who wants can ignore my posts.

Bro, you are getting way ahead of yourself here...there is no animosity...no hate...no call to have you banned. I am thinking you are now trying to be dramatic.

Im sorry you think that Im attacking your personal credentials and feel the need to prove your street creds while attacking mine, but Im actually attacking your position of open endorsement without the caveat that the best evidence isnt in yet. Obviously you're supposed to approach all internet info with a grain of salt, but people could easily get the wrong impression here and make a different decision if they had known that there was still obvious uncertainty here. Clearly someone with your background can concede that at least and if you dont then im even happier that Ive uncharacteristically crawled outta my lurking hole this long to counterbalance this thread.

Credentials? Street cred? WTF?!? Here is the deal. TRT/HRT that andro-gels and injections are used for are an entirely different playing field than those going 500mg Testosterone Ethanoate stacked with Stanazonol and the like.

TRT/HRT is proven medicine. Low testosterone is a proven condition. This is not new science.

There is no need for you to unlurk to simply play devil's advocate and throw up wall's of text that are totally irrelevant.

You are confusing life extension claims and those quick loss weight centers promise and ignoring there is no debate on people with low testosterone needing it to function properly. This is the typical sophomoric error. Hearing one thing, seeing that same thing in another and then correlating both.

Sigh, i've unfortunately spent decades of my life reading a lot of bad(and surprisingly good) articles and a lot of them were not only on google scholar, but also on pubmed as I flipped through article after article for hours on even just this topic alone. This field in particular clearly needs more researchers given the growing public interest(including mine) in testosterone. Unfortunately, peer reviewed research is the best we got so far and you're right that even with peer review there's room for errors/deception. However, articles are meant to be read/digested/criticized and serve as springboards for more experimentation/discussion to confirm what was found and hopefully extend the field of knowledge farther in quality/breadth. I think it's best to gather as much evidence as possible before having to make a decision. In my circle, i'd rather be known for evaluating the available evidence and erring on quiet reservation rather than bold recommendation.

You have yet to qualify yourself as anyone with experience, educational background, etc in this. I truly doubt you have spent years researching testosterone, you are simply googling up any bad article you can on it in and admit to discredit anyone taking it.

 

[Safeway]

Alkemyst, can you post Imgur shots of your gear? Imgur simply because it is anonymous and doesn't require an account. I'm interested to see your gear and hear about your results at the end of this cycle. Is this your first cycle?

 

[Safeway]

You have yet to qualify yourself as anyone with experience, educational background, etc in this. I truly doubt you have spent years researching testosterone, you are simply googling up any bad article you can on it in and admit to discredit anyone taking it.

You have to admit that his name, "Sust," coupled with his 2001 join date does paint a qualifying picture of the guy. A guy who, 11 years ago, chose a type of testosterone suspension to use as his username. A guy who has made very few posts over those 11 years yet chimes in with educated posts in a testosterone thread. Seems legit.

 

[alkemyst]

You have to admit that his name, "Sust," coupled with his 2001 join date does paint a qualifying picture of the guy. A guy who, 11 years ago, chose a type of testosterone suspension to use as his username. A guy who has made very few posts over those 11 years yet chimes in with educated posts in a testosterone thread. Seems legit.

I don't know the poster, nor any username changes he made over that time.

Usernames don't mean much to me though.

If he had problems with the therapy or abuse he did, I am interested in hearing about it.

I have known a ton of dudes with no issues totally going full-on retard with winstrol and the like, my high school years were spent living in an equestrian/polo neighborhood. I have never used 'roids until now and my dose is ridiculously low compared to those looking for gains.

 

[alkemyst]

Alkemyst, can you post Imgur shots of your gear? Imgur simply because it is anonymous and doesn't require an account. I'm interested to see your gear and hear about your results at the end of this cycle. Is this your first cycle?

First time ever on steroids...no need to post pics really I think and this ain't 'gear' I love the folks that GPS themselves taking pics on an anon site. My meds come from Hoye's Pharmacy and were prescribed by a cardiogist.

Exact meds:

TESTOSTERONE CYP/ENA (90%/10%) 10ML/200MG
Inject 1 ml 1 weekly as directed.

CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN KIT 10,000 IU/VIAL
Inject 0.5 ml (equal to 50 mark on syringe provided)
subcutaneously 2 times weekly.

NANROLONE DECANOATE (4ML) 200MG/ML OIL
Inject 0.5 ml 1 time per week .

ANASTROZOLE 1MG CAPSULE
Take one capsule per week.

I take a Test/Nan shot on wed, Chorionic shot/Anast on Fri and Chorionic shot on Sundays

 

[Safeway]

I love the folks that GPS themselves taking pics on an anon site.

Gear is gear. And this is gear. Even if it is legit, human-grade gear.

And yea, iPhone pictures uploaded to Imgur with GPS data intact is hilarious.

 

[alkemyst]

Not really gear. I don't know why the guys insist on calling what's legal that. Gear used to just be a code word so you werent saying steroids in a gym.

Like I have said, I have known guys on steroids for building purposes and the routine is totally different as are the results. I will not go past my normal potential on this therapeutic dose. If I were to abuse it and say do the 10 week cycle every 2 weeks, then I would see pretty incredible gains and it would enable me to go beyond my normal genetics.

There is no way any of the Pros did not use steroids at some point if you look at the 'naturals' they are much smaller builds even though they are following the same types of programs.

 

[Corporate Thug]

I'll keep this short: I've used both.

There are pros and cons to both.

The gel is expensive but is covered by most insurance policies. However, there are no "generics" that I know of. Also, the abortion rate into the body is not nearly as efficient with the gel as it is with the injections. However, since the gel is applied everyday, it's a more consistent intake from the body.

Injections are cheaper and are adsorbed better. However, there are peaks and valley. My injection cycle is 2 weeks, so my levels just about peak 5-7 days after injection and fall drastically in the next 7 days until the next injection. Overall, I prefer injections. Less messy, less hassle (although it requires a trip to the doc every two weeks), and overall more effective.

 

[alkemyst]

Test cyp should be done weekly, it's all based on half-life

 

[Corporate Thug]

Test cyp should be done weekly, it's all based on half-life

1 week cycle is ideal but may not be pragmatic (in terms of doctor's visits) unless you can self inject.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah self-injection is needed. Anyone should be able to handle it.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Yeah self-injection is needed. Anyone should be able to handle it.

I tried to pitch that to my doc but apparently my insurance company (or medical group, not sure which one) does not allow self-injections for "non-essential" things (i.e. they will allow it for insulin but not testosterone). Doesn't make much sense to me as they don't charge me anything for the nurse to do it either.

 

[alkemyst]

If one's testosterone is low, that's a pretty much essential thing. I can agree that supporting meds they could argue (IMHO a guy growing tits is hardly a vanity issue though nor are his nuts shrivelling up to peas), but the basic test. works much better weekly.

That sucks.

 

[Skel]

I just started last week on the gel, Fortesta to be precise. I deal with chronic pain in my head and have to take more painkillers than I’d like to be functional for my work. All of that combined with my getting up there in age has caused me to have low testosterone. My pain management doctor ordered the tests as I bounce in and out of depression, as most people with pain seem to do. Turns out I was really low, not sure the exact number, but it was way down. I went with the gel as my doctor explained that the shots are as consistent in the system as the gel since I’m applying it every day. As I have enough issues in my day I didn’t want to add hormones bouncing to it, and no I don’t have a clue if that happens, I just didn’t want to risk any more stuff. I have enough to deal with. All of my testosterone stuff is out of pocket as my insurance won’t touch any of it, which sucks but my doctor also gave me enough samples to get me through a couple of months before I need to worry about paying for it. I’m just hoping it gets better mentally for me with it.

 

[Artista]

My doctor prescribed:

Testim 50MG/5GM transdermal gel
Apply contents of one tube topically every day.

I have yet to order it as I have been researching if there is a natural solution (accu puncture, Chinese medicine, etc) or a better solution than plain gel or a way such as listed in the thread to compliment the test gel so the testes do not shrine.

Playing with the hormone system is no joke.

 

[alkemyst]

My doctor prescribed:

Testim 50MG/5GM transdermal gel
Apply contents of one tube topically every day.

I have yet to order it as I have been researching if there is a natural solution (accu puncture, Chinese medicine, etc) or a better solution than plain gel or a way such as listed in the thread to compliment the test gel so the testes do not shrine.

Playing with the hormone system is no joke.

HCG is what you will need to prevent your nuts from shrinking. There is not a accupuncture that's going to help that.

There are some herb/medicines that can help, but most will probably end up costing as much as a cycle of HCG.

HCG is very easy to administer...little insulin needle in your abs. I can't even feel it.

 

[Safeway]

I had my testosterone levels run recently since I heard that cyclists often suffer from low testosterone for a wide variety of reasons.

Fortunately/Unfortunately, I think my levels are normal:

Total: 611 (250-1100 ng/dL reference range)
Free: 104.6 (35-155 pg/mL)

I would have to find a particular breed of doctor to write a script for gel/injection at those levels.

 

[alkemyst]

There would be no reason to go to a gel at those levels. 600 is where most want to be and your Free Test. is on the money too.

If you want to juice, you aren't going to find a doctor that will get you setup with that.

 

[Safeway]

There would be no reason to go to a gel at those levels. 600 is where most want to be and your Free Test. is on the money too.

If you want to juice, you aren't going to find a doctor that will get you setup with that.

Weigh in on this alkemyst:

The other downside is cycling. Bicycling, not cycling steroid use and nonuse.

Three main issues, the third is a biggie:

1. Competition dope control.
2. I do care about sportsmanship.
3. Hard to stack correctly for endurance sports.

I don't want massive pumps. I don't want massive weight gain. I don't want to use EPO. I want to be leaner and stronger. There are some boards that have in-depth threads on steroid use in cycling, but every third person that posts suggests a radically different approach.

Testosterone micro-dosing, low dosing, mid dosing, daily injections, bi-weekly, weekly, stack with Tren, stack with Winstrol, stack with Equipose, stack with Anavar, stack with Clen, stack with T3, stack with HGH, ...

Others mentioned micro-dosing a super short acting testosterone suspension immediately after your daily training ride or race to aid in recovery and muscle formation. They do not mention if HCG or similar would be required while running this type of cycle.

The possibilities are endless. I know that Floyd Landis was running at least testosterone. An infamous sports medicine doctor that specialized in cycling ran his guys on pretty much everything.

 

[Artista]

My total level was around 180-200. I feel no effects but then again maybe the gradual tapering down has gotten me used to it. Sex drive is great.

 

[alkemyst]

Weigh in on this alkemyst:

The other downside is cycling. Bicycling, not cycling steroid use and nonuse.

Three main issues, the third is a biggie:

1. Competition dope control.
2. I do care about sportsmanship.
3. Hard to stack correctly for endurance sports.

I don't want massive pumps. I don't want massive weight gain. I don't want to use EPO. I want to be leaner and stronger. There are some boards that have in-depth threads on steroid use in cycling, but every third person that posts suggests a radically different approach.

Testosterone micro-dosing, low dosing, mid dosing, daily injections, bi-weekly, weekly, stack with Tren, stack with Winstrol, stack with Equipose, stack with Anavar, stack with Clen, stack with T3, stack with HGH, ...

Others mentioned micro-dosing a super short acting testosterone suspension immediately after your daily training ride or race to aid in recovery and muscle formation. They do not mention if HCG or similar would be required while running this type of cycle.

The possibilities are endless. I know that Floyd Landis was running at least testosterone. An infamous sports medicine doctor that specialized in cycling ran his guys on pretty much everything.

Sticking with straight Testosterone is going to keep a lot of the 'weight gain' stuff sidelined. A bodybuilder stack may be very different from a powerlifter.

Winstrol was big in the sprinting and other endurance sports.

HCG / Clomid / etc are just to keep testicular atrophy away and to keep those boys making testosterone.

If you want to be leaner and stronger, I'd skip the steroids and do a good 5x5 program and keep cycling. You aren't going to get freaky on this esp with cycling (runner's have it even worse).

 

[alkemyst]

IRT my chloresterol drug, it's Lovaza; basically prescription Fish Oil.

 

[glenroebuck]

Interesting thread - There are non script ways of boosting T - I use suppliments you can buy in bulk (amazon is the cheapest).

I take this stack twice daily -

500mg Beta Ecdysterone
4 g L-Arginine
500 mg Longjack 200:1
1 gram Tribulus Terrestris
50 mg DHEA (only if you are 40 or over)
3 G D Asparatic Acid (only once a day for this)

that stack in bulk is about 75 bucks and lasts me two months. I usually throw it in with a smoothie or just some orange juice in the morning to chuck it all down.

Before I started this stack my T was in the low 300's 39 years old. I work out 5 days a week in pretty good shape, but was feeling "old" and losing sex drive.

Since starting this stack (cycled - 6 weeks on 1 week off) 6 months later I have put on 25 lbs of muscle and am like a horny kid. I go in for my physical in another 5 months to get my T checked again but I am pretty sure it is working

 

[Lamont Burns]

Interesting thread - There are non script ways of boosting T - I use suppliments you can buy in bulk (amazon is the cheapest).

I take this stack twice daily -

500mg Beta Ecdysterone
4 g L-Arginine
500 mg Longjack 200:1
1 gram Tribulus Terrestris
50 mg DHEA (only if you are 40 or over)
3 G D Asparatic Acid (only once a day for this)

that stack in bulk is about 75 bucks and lasts me two months. I usually throw it in with a smoothie or just some orange juice in the morning to chuck it all down.

Before I started this stack my T was in the low 300's 39 years old. I work out 5 days a week in pretty good shape, but was feeling "old" and losing sex drive.

Since starting this stack (cycled - 6 weeks on 1 week off) 6 months later I have put on 25 lbs of muscle and am like a horny kid. I go in for my physical in another 5 months to get my T checked again but I am pretty sure it is working

All of that is waste of money, sorry. You also didn't put on 25 pounds of muscle in 6 months at age 39 and having already been lifting. Being horny does not equal high test.

 

[glenroebuck]

why because you say so? All of the above listed sups have real research and studies behind them, including L-arginine, DHEA at the mayo clinic, successful trials of D Asparatic Acid increasing testoserone by 40% and leutinzing hormones by 25% in men age 27-39 from the Journal of Reproductive Biology and Tribulus has long been used by bodybuilders. I know the results I have gotten so i have faith it is working and there is some science to back it up.