Texas arresting people in bars for being drunk.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Citrix
isnt a bar private property? i know its used by the public and such but still its private property, so wouldnt this fall into illegal search and seizure? Whats the next step the cops can come into your back yard party and start arresting of age people for being drunk during a BBQ??

Look at it this way. If the bar owners don't kick out the patrons the officers want to arrest, the officers call in some backup and raid the entire bar, and then issue the bar owner tons of citations for underage drinking and other offenses.

Bars are private property, but they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Citrix
isnt a bar private property? i know its used by the public and such but still its private property, so wouldnt this fall into illegal search and seizure? Whats the next step the cops can come into your back yard party and start arresting of age people for being drunk during a BBQ??

Look at it this way. If the bar owners don't kick out the patrons the officers want to arrest, the officers call in some backup and raid the entire bar, and then issue the bar owner tons of citations for underage drinking and other offenses.

Bars are private property, but they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

if the bar is serving underage people then they are in violation of their liquor license and should be ticketed. i fail to see what your arguement is.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Citrix
isnt a bar private property? i know its used by the public and such but still its private property, so wouldnt this fall into illegal search and seizure? Whats the next step the cops can come into your back yard party and start arresting of age people for being drunk during a BBQ??

Look at it this way. If the bar owners don't kick out the patrons the officers want to arrest, the officers call in some backup and raid the entire bar, and then issue the bar owner tons of citations for underage drinking and other offenses.

Bars are private property, but they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

if the bar is serving underage people then they are in violation of their liquor license and should be ticketed. i fail to see what your arguement is.

::sigh::

Basically, the cops could be making a deal with the bar owners. The bar owners kick out the drunks more frequently so the officers can ticket them. As long as they keep doing this, the bar doesn't get raided and the owner doesn't get ticketed for selling alcohol to minors that used fake IDs, and in turn ruins local business.

That's what they COULD be doing to get around the private property stipulation.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Citrix
isnt a bar private property? i know its used by the public and such but still its private property, so wouldnt this fall into illegal search and seizure? Whats the next step the cops can come into your back yard party and start arresting of age people for being drunk during a BBQ??

Look at it this way. If the bar owners don't kick out the patrons the officers want to arrest, the officers call in some backup and raid the entire bar, and then issue the bar owner tons of citations for underage drinking and other offenses.

Bars are private property, but they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

if the bar is serving underage people then they are in violation of their liquor license and should be ticketed. i fail to see what your arguement is.

::sigh::

Basically, the cops could be making a deal with the bar owners. The bar owners kick out the drunks more frequently so the officers can ticket them. As long as they keep doing this, the bar doesn't get raided and the owner doesn't get ticketed for selling alcohol to minors that used fake IDs, and in turn ruins local business.

That's what they COULD be doing to get around the private property stipulation.

but that is not what the police is doing. according to the story, the cops have sent undercover cops INTO the bar and arrested people IN the bar. if i was a bar owner i would be highly pissed, having customers looking over thier shoulder while they enjoy a MJD wondering if they are going to get popped, that has to be really bad for business.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Citrix
isnt a bar private property? i know its used by the public and such but still its private property, so wouldnt this fall into illegal search and seizure? Whats the next step the cops can come into your back yard party and start arresting of age people for being drunk during a BBQ??

Look at it this way. If the bar owners don't kick out the patrons the officers want to arrest, the officers call in some backup and raid the entire bar, and then issue the bar owner tons of citations for underage drinking and other offenses.

Bars are private property, but they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

Then they need to go after the bar owners, which they aren't...

Oh, Citrix, you can be arrested for being drunk in your back yard, if it's in the view of the public. Same goes for being nude in your house. It's OK, as long as no one sees it (window).

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: DaiShan
Can we apply this law retroactively? I seem to remember a certain Texan that meets that description.

this made me lol

 

[whistleclient]

This happened to a friend of mine. He was in a bar, had a couple drinks.
He was walking towards the door when a drunk guy carreened into him, their shoes tangled, my buddy stumbled. They both apologized and my friend continued to leave.

When he got to the door, a security guard grabbed him and told him he was under arrest for public drunkeness. Please note that this was NOT a cop. He was a Private Security Guard employed by the Bar. There's a new law in Austin which allows Private Security Guards to make an arrest on the Cops' behalf.

They handcuffed him, they took him to the police station, they threw him in jail for the night.

At no point was his blood alcohol content measured.

At no point was he Mirandized.


I don't know about you guys, but I find this terrifying. When Corporate interests start controlling our civil rights guess who always loses? Us.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: tangent1138
When Corporate interests start controlling our civil rights guess who always loses? Us.

What corporate intrests are involved here?

Good gawd, man, it is in the interest of the bar owner and liquor maker to sell MORE booze, not less.

Did you even think before you spewed that?

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: tangent1138
When Corporate interests start controlling our civil rights guess who always loses? Us.

What corporate intrests are involved here?

Good gawd, man, it is in the interest of the bar owner and liquor maker to sell MORE booze, not less.

Did you even think before you spewed that?

lawyers

 

[troglodytis]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: SampSon
If I got arrested for that I would have a nice lawsuit against the municipality/state on my hands.

Last time I checked a private establishment wasn't a public place.

True story.

A friend of a friend was literally thrown out of a bar after which he was arrested for public drunkeness.

was his name tater salad?

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Link to article

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (Reuters) - Texas has begun sending undercover agents into bars to arrest drinkers for being drunk, a spokeswoman for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission said on Wednesday.

The first sting operation was conducted recently in a Dallas suburb where agents infiltrated 36 bars and arrested 30 people for public intoxication, said the commission's Carolyn Beck.

Being in a bar does not exempt one from the state laws against public drunkenness, Beck said.

The goal, she said, was to detain drunks before they leave a bar and go do something dangerous like drive a car.

"We feel that the only way we're going to get at the drunk driving problem and the problem of people hurting each other while drunk is by crackdowns like this," she said.

"There are a lot of dangerous and stupid things people do when they're intoxicated, other than get behind the wheel of a car," Beck said. "People walk out into traffic and get run over, people jump off of balconies trying to reach a swimming pool and miss."

She said the sting operations would continue throughout the state.

Although I understand their fears about drunks going from bar to car... that is pretty presumptious. I mean, I have gone to alot of parties where we all designated certain drivers, or agreed ahead of time who all was taken a cab home and then partied our asses off at the bar and got drunk. We figured it was a safe thing to do. Well, this sucks! Guess I'll just have to stay at home and play lush then!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: bradruth
I'm all for arresting drunk people, but that is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Why are you all for arresting drunk people?

Because they constantly do stupid sh!t and cause trouble.

I know! Of course so, do:

African-Americans: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Latinos: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Caucasians: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Teenagers: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Males: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Females: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!
Human Beings: Let's round them all up and pre-emptively throw them in jail!

Can't wait until you get that whole Nanny-State o the books, eh? :thumbsdown:

 

[gigapet]

wouldnt a better approach be to make safe rides home availble for people that is at the same time affordable?

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I don't agree with going into bars and arresting drunk people but in a way I understand it. I would like to see what threshold they are using to determine when someone is drunk. It they are falling down, slobbering, with completely incoherent speech then I understand them being arrested. No one should be allowed to be that drunk in public.

For once I agree with the man.

Their methods are still very very questionable, but if they have the time to invest in this oepration I'm assuming drunk driving is a big problem in their town.

There are a lot better ways to deal with this. Maybe they should stake out the bars, identify those who are very drunk, and assist them in getting a cab or giving them a ride home. The fall down drunk people maybe should be put in lockup overnight to sleep it off. But outright arresting them inside the bar is a bit bogus. I mean at least play it like store security, wait for the thief to get out of the building to call it theft; wait for the drunks to leave the bar to call it public drunkedness.

I don't want to be busted if I get a little toasted in a bar, but if I get drunk as fvck and try to leave (Which I personally don't ever do) then I would appreciate them taking measures to make sure I'm safe and the rest of the community is too. While I wouldn't like being charged with public drunkedness, I'd understand why they did it and damn sure learn a lesson.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: troglodytis

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: SampSon
If I got arrested for that I would have a nice lawsuit against the municipality/state on my hands.

Last time I checked a private establishment wasn't a public place.

True story.

A friend of a friend was literally thrown out of a bar after which he was arrested for public drunkeness.

was his name tater salad?

:laugh:

 

[mitaiwan82]

this is so ridiculous...the morning DJ was pissed about it as well

 

[mugs]

So how many Texans in this thread have called their state representative about this?

... ... ... ?

Fact is, it's against the law. Should it be? No. So what do you do about it?
a. complain on an Internet message board
b. participate in the democratic process

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Making an argument here might actually benefit your little crusade against the police here. Drugs do more harm to society than good. You cannot possibly argue that meth and cocaine are good for society. MJ...fine, legalize that. No problem there. If you truly understood the so called "war on drugs" instead of reading off of your high times magazine, you would also know it is more than just "Cracking down on those evil pot smokers." Meth is reaching epidemic proportions in rural areas and I have seen the effects first hand. Heroine addicts will stop at almost nothing to get their fix. It is sad really, but you refuse to see that side of things. You seem to believe, in your own convoluded little world, that drug users just want to do drugs to feel good and nothing else. You don't seem to realize that their actions to obtain the drugs worsen our society by bringing in MORE crime, MORE violance, and MORE "undesirables". But I suppose your high times magazine doesn't mention that does it? The hard drugs are the problem here with the war on drugs.

Hard drugs aren't the problem. The problem is why people feel the need to turn to hard drugs as a solution. You figure that out, and you see results. You spend all your money just slapping hands and you end up with people like Dissipate with warped views that you will never be able to change.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: tangent1138
When Corporate interests start controlling our civil rights guess who always loses? Us.

What corporate intrests are involved here?

Good gawd, man, it is in the interest of the bar owner and liquor maker to sell MORE booze, not less.

Did you even think before you spewed that?

Did you even read the post?

A bar's liability over a drunk driving accident is greater than the money they'll make on a pitcher of beer, hence their private security guards being overzealous in their self-enforcement.

 

[GhostDoggy]

I think Texas should spend more time stopping illegal aliens from entering our country and less time harassing people in bars. I guess even the sober Mexican is more of a hassle than a drunk American in a bar.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: tangent1138
When Corporate interests start controlling our civil rights guess who always loses? Us.

What corporate intrests are involved here?

Good gawd, man, it is in the interest of the bar owner and liquor maker to sell MORE booze, not less.

Did you even think before you spewed that?

Did you even read the post?

A bar's liability over a drunk driving accident is greater than the money they'll make on a pitcher of beer, hence their private security guards being overzealous in their self-enforcement.

They only do so because of the law. There is nothing wrong with protecting one self. The root cause of this are inane laws like the one this thread is talking about. Blaming the bar for protecting itself from being put out of business is rather myopic, don't you think?

And calling it "corporate interests" just makes you sound like a brainwashed Che T-shirt wearing college student.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: mugs
So how many Texans in this thread have called their state representative about this?

... ... ... ?

Well, I only emailed my mine, but yeah.

 

[blckgrffn]

So...

Arresting people for drinking in a public bar. What would be better? That they throw a huge party at their home where everyone gets wasted in private? Anti-drunkeness laws are DESIGNED to enable easy targeting of drunk people doing stupid stuff, like urinating in public or starting a fight, NOT to actually punish people for being drunk. Proof of this? History in the United States and the laws and enforcement history of European communities we based our laws on.

I guess this is just further proof of how backwards our take on alcohol is in the United States vs Europe.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: mugs
So how many Texans in this thread have called their state representative about this?

... ... ... ?

Well, I only emailed my mine, but yeah.

Good point, but I have that as*h*le Tom Delay out my way... ugh! Automated email response, automated letter sent in the mail.. and yes, I do send emails and letters to them thats how I know.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: mugs
So how many Texans in this thread have called their state representative about this?

... ... ... ?

Well, I only emailed my mine, but yeah.

Good point, but I have that as*h*le Tom Delay out my way... ugh! Automated email response, automated letter sent in the mail.. and yes, I do send emails and letters to them thats how I know.

Tom Delay isn't a state representitive. He has no (or no direct) control over state and local laws.