Texas executes Mexican national

[CitizenKain]

Oops, sorry, maybe next time.

I love the taste of liberal tears in the morning. They taste like,,,,, victory.

Weird thing to be glad about a state killing someone, but then again I'm not human trash.

 

[Texashiker]

Weird thing to be glad about a state killing someone, but then again I'm not human trash.

I wish there was a way to bottle liberal tears. That way I can wash my ass with them.

 

[brycejones]

I wish there was a way to bottle liberal tears. That way I can wash my ass with them.

Did Incorruptible take over your account today?

 

[Brovane]

I wish there was a way to bottle liberal tears. That way so I can wash my ass with them.

 

[brycejones]

Don't want to be subject to Texas justice?

Don't come to Texas and shoot an officer, such as Guy Gaddis above, three times in the back of the head.

Sympathy for Officer Gaddis' family, his widow, and his now 10 year old child that will never ever meet their father.

No sympathy for the murderer.

No respect for the self appointed 'World Court.'

Uno

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WTH....no one is talking about this guy escaping justice or the "World Court". Its not like the guy would have been released because the Consul showed up. Consular notification is not even remotely incompatible with seeing justice served.

 

[dawheat]

Don't want to be subject to Texas justice?

Don't come to Texas and shoot an officer, such as Guy Gaddis above, three times in the back of the head.

Sympathy for Officer Gaddis' family, his widow, and his now 10 year old child that will never ever meet their father.

No sympathy for the murderer.

No respect for the self appointed 'World Court.'

Uno

I care absolutely nothing about this murderer. I do care if any country restricts consular access for any American citizen arrested abroard.

 

[Texashiker]

Did Incorruptible take over your account today?

You have to admit that was a funny post.

And I thought that up all by myself.

 

[brycejones]

Link?

I may be reading between the lines a bit in the CNN article in the OP.

 

[senseamp]

Three times in the back of the head seems excessive. You'd think he would conserve ammunition when trying to escape.

 

[thraashman]

Three times in the back of the head seems excessive. You'd think he would conserve ammunition when trying to escape.

Those who are willing to commit horrendous crimes don't seem to be the type who think broadly about it first.

I am against the death penalty, but if anyone would "deserve" it, this guy would.
I would be against extraditing him to Mexico to let them deal with him. He committed a crime in America and is subject to the American justice system. He is however also afforded all protections offered by that system. The good comes with the bad. We do not just get to decide arbitrarily which people we do and do not afford the protections of the justice system to. And Texas violating the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, a treaty ratified by the Senate and signed by Nixon, is a direct violation of the Constitution.

Link?

From the first link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/22/us/mexico-texas-tamayo-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

"He will be executed tonight, despite the indisputable fact that his right to consular assistance was violated," attorneys Sandra L. Babcock and Maurie Levin said in a statement before Tamayo's lethal injection.

 

[Texashiker]

despite the indisputable fact that his right to consular assistance was violated,"

Does he have a right to contact the consular? Show me. Even if he had contacted the consulate, it would not have changed the crime.

He has a right to an attorney as prescribed by our laws.

Is Texas bound to this treaty everyone keep referring to?

 

[CZroe]

Texas is, undoubtedly one of the more worrying states.

Because their freedom is a threat to your European socialist utopia?

 

[Incorruptible]

Did Incorruptible take over your account today?

No. Just STFU with your BS.

Weird thing to be glad about a state killing someone, but then again I'm not human trash.

Yes, you are.

 

[senseamp]

It's interesting that the people who don't trust the government to do anything right are usually the ones most approving of the government taking a human life.

 

[rudeguy]

It's interesting that the people who don't trust the government to do anything right are usually the ones most approving of the government taking a human life.

what I find more interesting is those that are so opposed to killing a murder, killing a child raper, killing someone who does not value human life, are most approving of killing innocent babies before they can even breath a single breathe.

Weird.

 

[brycejones]

No. Just STFU with your BS.

Whine much?

 

[Jaskalas]

If there's a law / treaty which states we must notify a nation of this situation, before trial, then I'm okay with following such simple gestures. Notification does not imply control, or that he gets away with murder.

 

[Incorruptible]

Whine much?

Not really.

 

[brycejones]

Does he have a right to contact the consular? Show me. Even if he had contacted the consulate, it would not have changed the crime.

He has a right to an attorney as prescribed by our laws.

Is Texas bound to this treaty everyone keep referring to?

Yes (This has already been provided to you multiple times)
Not a single soul here has argued otherwise
Yes
Yes, unless you are arguing that Texas is not a part of the United States. I thought the whole other country thing was just a marketing gimmick.

 

[DrPizza]

Does he have a right to contact the consular? Show me. Even if he had contacted the consulate, it would not have changed the crime.

He has a right to an attorney as prescribed by our laws.

Is Texas bound to this treaty everyone keep referring to?

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby"

Derp.

 

[Texashiker]

I thought the whole other country thing was just a marketing gimmick.

You thought wrong.

 

[brycejones]

If there's a law / treaty which states we must notify a nation of this situation, before trial, then I'm okay with following such simple gestures. Notification does not imply control, or that he gets away with murder.

Exactly, this isn't a get out of jail free card. Notification would not have changed the outcome of this case.

 

[brycejones]

You thought wrong.

So Texas isn't part of the United States?

 

[Texashiker]

Derp.

The treaty is only binding if it does not violate states rights.

So Texas isn't part of the United States?

As much as I would like it not to be,,,,.

 

[thraashman]

Does he have a right to contact the consular? Show me. Even if he had contacted the consulate, it would not have changed the crime.

He has a right to an attorney as prescribed by our laws.

Is Texas bound to this treaty everyone keep referring to?

Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations says so. From wikipedia
"Foreign nationals who are arrested or detained be given notice "without delay" of their right to have their embassy or consulate notified of that arrest. If the detained foreign national so requests, the police must fax that notice to the embassy or consulate, which can then check up on the person. The notice to the consulate can be as simple as a fax, giving the person's name, the place of arrest, and, if possible, something about the reason for the arrest or detention."

Text of the convention. Article 36 is page 15.
http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_2_1963.pdf

No it would not have changed the crime. It would likely have not changed conviction.
This treaty was ratified by the Senate and signed by Nixon when he was President.

Constitution Article VI

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby"


So, to recap things that have been stated throughout this thread and now combined here as one.
Yes, he has the right to contact his consul and is supposed to be informed of that right upon the determination that he is a foreign national.
The treaty that gives him this right is legal and ratified by the US.
Texas being a state within the US is bound by this treaty as it does not violate the Constitution of the United States.
TEXAS VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION BY NOT GIVING HIM CONSULATE ACCESS!

It's amusing how so many Texans are ALL about the Constitution when it works for them, but then completely ok violating it when it does something like put a speed bump between them and killing Mexicans.
the following is tongue in cheek
Texas is hereby in violation of the Constitution and by their own logic, the state should be executed.