Texas executes Mexican national

[Texashiker]

Not only a victory for the justice system, but also a victory for states rights. John Kerry tried to put pressure on Texas not to execute this killer.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/po...xecute-mexican-born-cop-killer-could-hurt-us/

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned Texas officials earlier this week that the planned execution of a Mexican man convicted of killing a Houston police officer could do more harm than good, especially in regards to Americans detained overseas.

Then the supreme court refused to hear the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/22/us/mexico-texas-tamayo-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Huntsville, Texas (CNN) -- A last-ditch push to keep a convicted cop killer alive failed Wednesday night when the U.S. Supreme Court denied a motion to stay his execution.

Edgar Tamayo Arias, a Mexican national, was executed at 9:32 p.m. CT, the Texas Department of Criminal Justice said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/20/justice/mexico-texas-tamayo-execution/index.html

(CNN) -- Mexico's government is trying to block the execution of a convicted cop killer in Texas this week, arguing that it would violate international law.

The case of Mexican citizen Edgar Tamayo Arias is the latest battle in a dispute over the rights of the foreign-born on American death rows. And U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has said it could put Americans abroad at risk.

I am glad to see this killer put down. Going to another country, killing someone, and then crying about international law is not going to save you. At least not in Texas.

 

[Jaskalas]

As long as there is certainty in who did it, and not a circumstantial case.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

As long as there is certainty in who did it, and not a circumstantial case.

Yeah no doubt on this one. He was under arrest and being transported to jail when he pulled a gun that went undiscovered somehow and shot the office three times in the back of the head.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tamayo-edgar-arias.htm

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Yeah no doubt on this one. He was under arrest and being transported to jail when he pulled a gun that went undiscovered somehow and shot the office three times in the back of the head.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tamayo-edgar-arias.htm

in that case, good riddance.

 

[rudeguy]

bet he won't do that again

 

[halik]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

 

[rudeguy]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

There are already Americans locked up in Iran and N Korea even though they didn't commit a crime.

Please say you knew that already. Please.

 

[brycejones]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

Set aside the obvious crazy countries. What incentive does Mexico now have to ensure our diplomats have access to Americans arrested there. I don't have an issue with the ultimate sentence since the case appears to be pretty cut and dry. I have an issue with the path taken to get there though.

It is important that we respect treaties if we expect other countries to.

 

[Texashiker]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

 

[HAL9000]

Texas is, undoubtedly one of the more worrying states.

 

[Texashiker]

Texas is, undoubtedly one of the more worrying states.

Care to explain?

 

[PRAISE__SATAN]

Umm, how can this be legal? America not only murders it's own citizens but foreign citizens as well? Murdering citizens I don't understand but murdering foreigners too... I guess this is an example of how the US is a christian country like I've heard plenty of people say.

 

[HAL9000]

Care to explain?

This is obviously just an outsiders perspective, but all I ever hear in the way of Texas is religious right crap, a gun toting mentality that makes it sound like people are living in the old west and quite extreme right wing views about the government or human life....

Just seems a bit worrying.

Feels like Texas isn't too far away from succeeding from the united states to form it's own religious, militia run country that shoots outsiders on sight.

 

[Texashiker]

Umm, how can this be legal? America not only murders it's own citizens but foreign citizens as well? Murdering citizens I don't understand but murdering foreigners too... I guess this is an example of how the US is a christian country like I've heard plenty of people say.

With a username of PRAISE__SATAN I figure you would be happy criminals are being put to death.

This is obviously just an outsiders perspective, but all I ever hear in the way of Texas is religious right crap, a gun toting mentality that makes it sound like people are living in the old west and quite extreme right wing views about the government or human life....

Texas is one of the few states that has a real culture and a history.

Most states the settlers walked in, kicked the natives out and claimed the land as their own.

Texas was claimed, fought over, claimed again, fought over again.

It is one of the few states where everyday citizens died for the idea of freedom. We fought for our freedom, won it, had our own government and our own president. Texas was a sovereign nation. That pride still runs deep.

 

[thraashman]

Texas has a bit of history of executing the innocent and violating national treaties. At least this guy was clearly guilty. Was this guy provided access to the Mexican consul at least? If not then there was a clear violation of international treaty. Which Texas has done before in similar situations.

 

[HAL9000]

With a username of PRAISE__SATAN I figure you would be happy criminals are being put to death.





Texas is one of the few states that has a real culture and a history.

Most states the settlers walked in, kicked the natives out and claimed the land as their own.

Texas was claimed, fought over, claimed again, fought over again.

It is one of the few states where everyday citizens died for the idea of freedom.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to Texas, it was beautiful, interesting, the food was fucking epic and I met some lovely people. I'm purely talking politically here.

 

[Texashiker]

Texas has a bit of history of violating national treaties.

International treaties do not apply to the states.

When the federal government enters into a treaty with a nation, the states do not have to follow the treaty as it does not apply to them.

Don't get me wrong, I've been to Texas, it was beautiful, interesting, the food was fucking epic and I met some lovely people. I'm purely talking politically here.

Understood.

 

[exdeath]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

When in Rome...

I have no problem with Americans being jailed or executed in foreign nations for not following local laws provided said laws are being enforced fairly (eg same treatment as its citizens breaking same law) and a person isn't targeted solely for their nationality or political reasons. They don't even need a fair trail if fair trials are not recognized by that nation.

How many Americans go to these places, voluntarily I might add, acting like they are untouchable because they are American. Its embarrassing.

When in Rome...

On a personal note I can say I give zero fucks about at least 51% of "Americans" right now anyway.

 

[Jaskalas]

Not sure how I feel about this; probably a terrible precedent.

Imagine an american citizen stoned to death in Saudi or executed in NK for making a kim jong il joke.

You dare compare that to the act of murder? :thumbsdown:

 

[Jaskalas]

Umm, how can this be legal? America not only murders it's own citizens but foreign citizens as well? Murdering citizens I don't understand but murdering foreigners too... I guess this is an example of how the US is a christian country like I've heard plenty of people say.

A murderer was executed. The execution is not murder, it's good riddance.

 

[nehalem256]

International treaties do not apply to the states.

When the federal government enters into a treaty with a nation, the states do not have to follow the treaty as it does not apply to them.

I believe Obama has set clear precedence that states are perfectly free to ignore federal laws(see pot in Colorado and Washington) and in some instance MUST ignore federal laws(see immigration in Arizona).

 

[Brovane]

International treaties do not apply to the states.

When the federal government enters into a treaty with a nation, the states do not have to follow the treaty as it does not apply to them.
.

So if that is the case why would any other countries enter into treaties with the United States if the individual States that make up the United States can just decide a treaty doesn't apply to them?

 

[thraashman]

International treaties do not apply to the states.

When the federal government enters into a treaty with a nation, the states do not have to follow the treaty as it does not apply to them.




Understood.

Excerpt from Constitution Article VI

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby"

The only time a state would not have to follow a treaty is if the treaty is in contradiction to the Constitution.

 

[Brovane]

Excerpt from Constitution Article VI

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby"

The only time a state would not have to follow a treaty is if the treaty is in contradiction to the Constitution.

Come on you expect Texas to follow the US constitution? :whiste:

 

[JManInPhoenix]

When in Rome do as the Romans do.

Absolutely. When you are a visitor to another place, you are beholden the rules/laws/customs of that place, not your own. Behave accordingly.