Concede what? Smack said it better than I would have. You certainly weren't right if that's what you mean.
No, don't think I have to, anymore. The point is made.
You could concede like a man, or just be a douche, I guess.
Of course it's murder. A man murders, the government murders, what difference does it make? The government is every individual's enemy. Why would you want to grant it the freedom to murder? I don't understand.
Do you want the government to murder for the greater good? You ignore the individual in favour of the collective. Are you a communist?
So, I'll bite and feed the troll.
The difference is that it is not murder. Although, I'm sure there are instances where 'the government', which I'll assume you mean the US government, both state and federal, commit murders. Does the government kill people? Yes. Is it murder? In the overwhelming majority of cases, no.
Do you understand what murder is? No.
Reality is trolling when it goes against your fantasy.
Murder is killing with intent.
Why do you allow your government to murder? Why do you want your government to go on crusades? Why do you want your government to spy on you? Isn't the US the land of the free? What is this freedom where your government murders its citizens, goes to other countries on crusades to kill people and gives a damn about liberty? I'm confused.
Concede what? Smack said it better than I would have. You certainly weren't right if that's what you mean.
What he should be saying is the murder is defined as the unlawful act of killing someone with premeditation. That can't happen in abortion cases, as it is lawful to have one.
Wrong. Murder is unlawful killing with premeditation.
Unlawful killing. Another way to twist reality to suit your needs. You worship the state so much as to give it the right to murder. You make murder the law and call any other murder unlawful. I like meditation.
The state can't execute anyone without a jury condemning them to death first.
It's not a freedom to murder. Troll.
ah, glad to see it's a universal thing with you, being unable to comprehend text, and not just my posts. Here is what he said, which is entirely my point:
Now, the one thing that the 3 of us probably agree on, is that it is quite a bit off topic for this thread; but I'm getting confused with the other capital punishment, guns, and abortion thread. all thoughts running together. So, apologies.
It simply struck me, that, different sides will define something as murder, or not, for certain reasons, it seems. I consider capital punishment murder, and abortion not murder. There, my definition is simply based on what constitutes life, or what can be murdered (only a person can be murdered).
Your definition seems to be based on legality. Rather, if the state sanctions it, it can not be murder. I realize, then that many who share your view would otherwise consider abortion to be murder, which is clearly sanctioned by the state. I find that to be an odd distinction.
OH, let me add: I'm not saying that "the unlawful premeditated killing of someone" is not the definition of murder. I think that is fine. It certainly is at odds with my feeling that capital punishment is murder, even though it is, technically, lawful. But, wrg to using that same definition of murder for abortion, that is precisely the point, isn't it?
Again, the state doesn't execute without a jury of 12 condemning them to death.
No one gave it a right to anything.
Killing in the name of the greater good. Who gave the jury the freedom to decide for state to murder on their wishes?
You dare compare that to the act of murder? :thumbsdown:
Go America!
Go America when we are ranked 43rd?
Looks like we have a lot of catching up to do. Texas seems to be the only state taking up the slack. I am rather ashamed we do not rank in the top 5.
No, 43 is the number of people executed in the US during 2011.
Looks like we have a lot of catching up to do in regards to China.
At least we executed more than north Korea.
This being said a person who's put to death is not something that should be celebrated.
What happens when you have a dog that goes around attacking people?
Do you put it down, or do you put it in a cage for the rest of its life?
When a person makes a decision to act like a rabid dog, they should be treated as such.
My mistake sorry.
Looks like we have a lot of catching up to do in regards to China.
At least we executed more than north Korea.
Only 30 people (oh wait, +) being put to death in NK is a joke anyway. It's not like reliable stats on such things come out of that place. (Or in fact a lot of other shitholes on that map).
So you shoot the dog and run around the neighborhood shouting at the top of your lungs "Wooopie I done kilt that thar dog" or do you have celebratory cookout while shouting?
Wanting a state in the union to follow a legal treaty as outlined it's required to in the Constitution makes him an idiot?
Are ... are you trying to keep up with Texashiker on today's stupidest poster award or did you mistype?
Sounds like you are blowing an awful lot of hot air there Thraashman. Facts seem to sway toward Texas this time.According to the Houston Chronicle, "The Mexican Consulate was apprised of Tamayo's case about 10 days before his trial." (Though, it was in all of the papers well before that...)
US Supreme Court has already ruled that the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations doesn't impact this case.
Roe Wilson, a lawyer at the Harris County district attorney's office... has stated "He was given all the rights an American citizen has when arrested," ... adding that he received a court-appointed attorney and multiple appellate reviews of his conviction.
According to the Texas Governor: "If you commit a despicable crime like this in Texas, you are subject to our state laws, including a fair trial by jury and the ultimate penalty."
Like US Supreme Court, I'm okay with that.
If anyone is offended that this murderer didn't get more rights than an American Citizen, I'm okay with that as well.
Uno