I don`t think you even know what your point was......It seems you have missed my point entirely. I am neither condemning nor condoning this bill. I am just predicting that in the near future, jihadwatch will misinterpret this bill to illustrate how Sharia Law is infiltrating Texas, and it is Obama's fault.
How do you know who we know?
It's not what the individual Knows, but what others within the Group know. AKA, for every person that calls themself a Christian, there's another person who calls themself a Christian who would think the other person is not a Christian.
But that does not mean we don't know any Christians. Hipocracy? You bet. There was too much by the previous President, who IMO was all to eager to kill. On the other hand there are others I've met who do good at great personal cost without boasting. Perfect? Hardly, but I was impressed. That's one reason I respond to these sort of threads.
It's all moot. To say that someone isn't a "true Christian" is a fallacy(No True Scotsman). It's just a way to divert criticism or an uncomfortable point. Atheists that are former Christians hear this all the time, how we weren't Real or True Christians if we are now Atheist. It's just a pile of BS for the accuser to not face the possibility that someone could go from believing they had experienced "God" to a point where they no longer believe that any god even exists. To accept it, is to risk having Doubt in what one believes, a scary prospect for many believers.
Thats what people say who have nothing more to add because they backed themselves into a corner....It's all moot. To say that someone isn't a "true Christian" is a fallacy(No True Scotsman).
Thats what people say who have nothing more to add because they backed themselves into a corner....
In a sense both of you are right. If a person does not wish to go to church, pray to a god or believe they do not have to. they can not be forced by the government to do any of it. If you do not beleive they cant punish you for it.
But a person also has a right to pray in public, put up signs in the yard (or of santa!) etc. You have the freedom not to worship but not the freedom to not hear of it if am talking in public.
NOBODY should have the right to say i can't have manger in my yard or such.
That's probably because English isn't your first language.I don`t think you even know what your point was......
/facepalmThats what people say who have nothing more to add because they backed themselves into a corner....
Hold on there, when he says freedom "from religion," he means let Christians do what they want. That has nothing to do with Muslims.
I live in Texas and think Rick Perry is a moron. The reason he keeps getting re-elected though is because we have an abundance of morons living here. I can't do anything about it. It's like trying to talk sense to mentally retarded people. So, I just deal with it.
As for the bill he's trying to pass, I really don't give a sh!t. It's a matter of picking your battles, and this one isn't even worth fighting. I'm an Atheist and don't mind people saying, Merry Christmas. Hell, I say it. But I know Rick Perry's angle, this really isn't about freedom of speech, it's about defending his "comic book" and standing up for his moronic beliefs. He's a real piece of work. Amazing how someone that stupid can hold public office, but he's just ONE example of that. Anyway, I'll give him his little bill and save the fight for the bullsh!t abortion measures he's trying to force through.
I don't see anything about it being limited to Christians.
I don't see anything about it being limited to Christians.
Oh look, a social conservative saying something stupid. What a shock.
There's a difference between understanding and acceptance. I can understand that someone believes a thing or not, however that doesn't mandate that you or I are bound to it. Still, the definition of something doesn't change because one's personal perspective changes. Obviously if you are a Christian you aren't an atheist and vice versa. What is relevant is the attitudes of the parties involved. You can't be forced to be a Christian, no more than you can be forced to be an atheist. It's a choice, and so it's rather interesting to hear someone say "they will make be become X." Forced conversions aren't conversions at all.
I've been fortunate to see the good side of people as well as the bad. A Christian would obviously not wish another to become an atheist, but that is a choice. From what I understand being a Christian is something that's a spiritual relationship between creator and created. If that connection does not exist then that is that.
The real problem is hostility to the beliefs of others. I think that people ought to be able to express their faith or not until they swing their ideology into someone's nose to paraphrase. That does not mean freedom from expression. The concept of imposing conditions such that passive displays are forbidden is nonsense. Someone once said that freedom of expression implies the right to offend. That's true of almost all forms. Of course there are competing rights, but outright bans again are nonsense. It's so sad that people don't even understand why the Establishment Clause existed. It wasn't because of a fear of religion per se. All one has to do is see the power the Anglican Church had as an arm of the government. It was a state established religion which had far more real power than anything since the Constitution. People didn't want to be subject to the rule of a church, and I mean that in a very material sense. It has become a weapon that is used against the religious and sometimes used properly. Creationism taught in public schools would be an example what I think to be valid. Forcing attendance of a religious service likewise, which has been done as well.
So there is merit to the concept of Church and State, however some people will run with this or than and no common sense middle ground can be found. They hire lawyers to get what they want, not what is reasonable.
By your interpretation it would seem we should forbid swearing oaths of office on bibles.
Seems like an implicit endorsement of Christianity by the government to me
Also wait for you to advocate for removing Christmas as a federal holiday.
They should swear the oath on the Constitution that they are supposed to uphold and protect.
your issue is you don`t know any true Christians!!
He's made the same exact two arguments in the past and was shot down on both of them. In this, like with everything else, he just ignores being proven wrong and comes back with the same arguments again a few days later.