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kt

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Just one central unit. I do most of my work from home and have a bit of computer equipment running 24/7.
Also, did you miss the part where we have had no rain and 101+ temps for the last 30 days?
Not quite as hot, but similar temps in CA where we get high 90's to low 100's. We have 2 central units that draws about 4.5kW each. We have our Nest thermostats set to 74 during the day and 76 at night. I also work from home with a couple of desktops running 24/7. Our usage on the last month's bill is 859kWh over 29 days. Our highest ever was from last summer when we were in the 100's frequently and end up with just below 1,500kWh.
 

Wreckem

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Not quite as hot, but similar temps in CA where we get high 90's to low 100's. We have 2 central units that draws about 4.5kW each. We have our Nest thermostats set to 74 during the day and 76 at night. I also work from home with a couple of desktops running 24/7. Our usage on the last month's bill is 859kWh over 29 days. Our highest ever was from last summer when we were in the 100's frequently and end up with just below 1,500kWh.
The difference between Texas and California is night time temps. It will still be 100 degrees at midnight in Texas. Most of Texas set records for consecutive hours above 80 degrees earlier this month. When you are hitting 106 to 110 for weeks on end and the temps at midnight are still cracking upper 90s to even 100 and the over night lows(usually occurring around 5am) being 80ish it quickly adds up.
 

SteveGrabowski

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The difference between Texas and California is night time temps. It will still be 100 degrees at midnight in Texas. Most of Texas set records for consecutive hours above 80 degrees earlier this month. When you are hitting 106 to 110 for weeks on end and the temps at midnight are still cracking upper 90s to even 100 and the over night lows(usually occurring around 5am) being 80ish it quickly adds up.
In San Antonio it never gets cool at night in the summer because as soon as those high pressure ridges dissipate after sundown the hot land creates a strong gulf breeze that kicks our dewpoints into the mid to high 70s, occasionally even the low to mid 80s, amazingly quickly and all that moisture catches and holds so much of the heat being radiated from the ground at night.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Speaking of how shitty Texas weather is, today San Antonio tied its all time record with 59 days of 100+ so far in 2023. And this is our next two weeks forecast:



Last year we had the horrible summer that started with 100 degree temps in early May (and we got to 58 days of 100+), whereas this year we have the summer that in addition to quantity of 100+ days has had a fourfold jump in 105+ days vs any other year ever recorded here and is seeming like it will never fucking end.
 

Zorba

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Not quite as hot, but similar temps in CA where we get high 90's to low 100's. We have 2 central units that draws about 4.5kW each. We have our Nest thermostats set to 74 during the day and 76 at night. I also work from home with a couple of desktops running 24/7. Our usage on the last month's bill is 859kWh over 29 days. Our highest ever was from last summer when we were in the 100's frequently and end up with just below 1,500kWh.
Humidity makes a big difference in cooling loads, as well. AC efficiency really starts dropping after ~105 as well.

I work from home too, but we let our house slowly heat up to 82 through the day and then the AC drops to 75 at 3:30. Generally the house never gets all the way to 82, even this week when it got up to 108 outside.
 

BoomerD

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In San Antonio it never gets cool at night in the summer because as soon as those high pressure ridges dissipate after sundown the hot land creates a strong gulf breeze that kicks our dewpoints into the mid to high 70s, occasionally even the low to mid 80s, amazingly quickly and all that moisture catches and holds so much of the heat being radiated from the ground at night.
Yeah...no thanks. It's 9 pm, temperature is ~58F, humidity is 96%, dew point is at 57. (Per accuweather)
I think we had 2-3days over 80F this year...brutal. (and a slight chance of some sprinkles overnight.)
 

SteveGrabowski

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Humidity makes a big difference in cooling loads, as well. AC efficiency really starts dropping after ~105 as well.

I work from home too, but we let our house slowly heat up to 82 through the day and then the AC drops to 75 at 3:30. Generally the house never gets all the way to 82, even this week when it got up to 108 outside.
I work from home too. Ugh when it was 109 in my neighborhood a week or so ago my house got to 87 by 7:00PM with the AC blasting. Just makes me want to eat sandwiches, Whataburger, or Costco food court every day for dinner and cereal for lunch so I don't have to turn on the damn stove or the oven in this ridiculous summer.

When it's only 100 or 101 I can keep the house at 78 ok and just supplement with a box fan as needed but once it gets 104+ (or 98+ with high humidity, eg dewpoint > 70) my AC struggles like hell.
 
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MrSquished

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I work from home too. Ugh when it was 109 in my neighborhood a week or so ago my house got to 87 by 7:00PM with the AC blasting. Just makes me want to eat sandwiches, Whataburger, or Costco food court every day for dinner and cereal for lunch so I don't have to turn on the damn stove or the oven in this ridiculous summer.

When it's only 100 or 101 I can keep the house at 78 ok and just supplement with a box fan as needed but once it gets 104+ (or 98+ with high humidity, eg dewpoint > 70) my AC struggles like hell.

Should I get some of us big city east coast liberal elitists to start adopting some of you sane folks down there as refugees?
 

Zorba

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I work from home too. Ugh when it was 109 in my neighborhood a week or so ago my house got to 87 by 7:00PM with the AC blasting. Just makes me want to eat sandwiches, Whataburger, or Costco food court every day for dinner and cereal for lunch so I don't have to turn on the damn stove or the oven in this ridiculous summer.

When it's only 100 or 101 I can keep the house at 78 ok and just supplement with a box fan as needed but once it gets 104+ (or 98+ with high humidity, eg dewpoint > 70) my AC struggles like hell.
You should look into adding some more insulation into your house. Attic insulation is the easiest. Do you have double pane windows?

But 109 is also well past the design point for SAT, so it makes sense your AC can't keep up. Make sure you clean out the condenser outside occasionally too.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I work from home too. Ugh when it was 109 in my neighborhood a week or so ago my house got to 87 by 7:00PM with the AC blasting. Just makes me want to eat sandwiches, Whataburger, or Costco food court every day for dinner and cereal for lunch so I don't have to turn on the damn stove or the oven in this ridiculous summer.

When it's only 100 or 101 I can keep the house at 78 ok and just supplement with a box fan as needed but once it gets 104+ (or 98+ with high humidity, eg dewpoint > 70) my AC struggles like hell.
With the above, try considering isolating the part of the house you're actually trying to cool. If not reasonable/possible, along with upgrading insulation consider getting a heat pump for the spaces you really need to cool down, or spaces farther from the a/c or on the western or southern side of the house.
 

MtnMan

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Speaking of how shitty Texas weather is, today San Antonio tied its all time record with 59 days of 100+ so far in 2023. And this is our next two weeks forecast:



Last year we had the horrible summer that started with 100 degree temps in early May (and we got to 58 days of 100+), whereas this year we have the summer that in addition to quantity of 100+ days has had a fourfold jump in 105+ days vs any other year ever recorded here and is seeming like it will never fucking end.
But... but... but... your governor says it's a hoax.
 
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kt

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Humidity makes a big difference in cooling loads, as well. AC efficiency really starts dropping after ~105 as well.

I work from home too, but we let our house slowly heat up to 82 through the day and then the AC drops to 75 at 3:30. Generally the house never gets all the way to 82, even this week when it got up to 108 outside.
We used to let our house heat up through the day and then cool it down in the afternoon, but found virtually no energy savings versus just keeping the thermostats at 74 through the day. When we let the house heat up, our AC would run a few hours straight just to cool it back down. When we have the AC running through the day, it will run anywhere between 20-30mins every 2hrs to keep the house temp at 74. We installed an energy monitoring device at the main panel to keep track of all our energy usages. We do see slightly more energy usage having the AC run through the day, but it costs less overall because a bulk of that usage is during off peak hours.
 

Zorba

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We used to let our house heat up through the day and then cool it down in the afternoon, but found virtually no energy savings versus just keeping the thermostats at 74 through the day. When we let the house heat up, our AC would run a few hours straight just to cool it back down. When we have the AC running through the day, it will run anywhere between 20-30mins every 2hrs to keep the house temp at 74. We installed an energy monitoring device at the main panel to keep track of all our energy usages. We do see slightly more energy usage having the AC run through the day, but it costs less overall because a bulk of that usage is during off peak hours.
Yeah, if you are on a time of use plan you'll likely lose money even if you save a little energy. With time of use you can actually save money by prechilling. Some companies will actually store a massive amount of chilled water over night to run the AC during the day.

I'm on a flat rate plan, so the little bit of energy savings translate to money savings.
 

SteveGrabowski

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San Antonio is 105 at 2PM
Houston is 106 at 2PM
Austin is 106 at 2PM
Waco is 104 at 2PM

How the fuck is the grid going to hold up today?
 
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Dave_5k

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San Antonio is 105 at 2PM
Houston is 106 at 2PM
Austin is 106 at 2PM
Waco is 104 at 2PM

How the fuck is the grid going to hold up today?
Lots of solar generation, good sunny day. 11 GW generation from Solar right now.

Until about 6pm, when that solar energy drops off a cliff. Then things get a bit tight until demand drops off later at night ~ just hope all the natural gas peaker units that claim they are available come online, and/or wind picks up a bit (usually does at night, but a bit after the solar drops off).

Edit: Have only about 200MW-400MW forecast spare capacity from 6pm until 8pm tonight - one major power generation unit away from blackouts, been riding right on the edge this summer ~ successfully so far.


 
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balloonshark

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I always understood it was better to let the heat or air saturate you walls by leaving the thermostat stay within only a few degrees of your target day or night.

I also don't know how you all sleep if you turn the air down at night in the summer. I have a single in window air unit and it's left on 24/7 from May to Oct. I usually keep it set at 69F but it started acting up so it's set to 71F which gets my living room down to 77F. In the winter my bedroom is the coolest room in this apartment. I have baseboard heat in this two bedroom apt. and my electic bill on the average payment plan is around $67 a month every month.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Lots of solar generation, good sunny day. 11 GW generation from Solar right now.

Until about 6pm, when that solar energy drops off a cliff. Then things get a bit tight until demand drops off later at night ~ just hope all the natural gas peaker units that claim they are available come online, and/or wind picks up a bit (usually does at night, but a bit after the solar drops off)
If it's 105-106 now though gotta wonder if it's going to still be 105+ at 7PM. We were really tight yesterday near 8PM but that was with population centers in Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and Corpus Christi in the high 90s by that time of day, although DFW area was around 105 then. If this day ends up 108-110 in San Antonio in the hottest part of the day at 5-6PM it'll probably be like 103 at 8PM and then I'm not trusting ERCOT's demand forecast at all.
 

Zorba

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I always understood it was better to let the heat or air saturate you walls by leaving the thermostat stay within only a few degrees of your target day or night.
The bigger the difference in outside and inside temperature the more heat gain or loss because heat transfer through the walls is linearly proportional to the difference in temperature. You also end up wring out my latent heat (water vapor) running it all day. The AC is also more efficient with a lower difference in inside and outside temperature.

But real life isn't as simple as a steady state heat transfer problem. In real life you could end up storing energy in the house from times of the day the AC would be more efficient (cooler outside temperature) and then removing it at times the AC is less efficient.
 
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Zorba

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If it's 105-106 now though gotta wonder if it's going to still be 105+ at 7PM. We were really tight yesterday near 8PM but that was with population centers in Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and Corpus Christi in the high 90s by that time of day, although DFW area was around 105 then. If this day ends up 108-110 in San Antonio in the hottest part of the day at 5-6PM it'll probably be like 103 at 8PM and then I'm not trusting ERCOT's demand forecast at all.
Demand should be lower on weekends too, kind of crazy if you all run out of capacity on weekend. You'll be screwed this coming week.
 

IronWing

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Here in Arizona, the Republican dominated Corporation Commission is busy stripping utility rate plans of any hint of bias in favor of renewable energy. They are claiming that renewables are a sinister plot of the World Economic Forum (seriously). Arizona’s only coal mine shut down some years ago and we have no oil and gas. We do have plenty of sunshine and bombed out former ag land for solar. I would like to think that out of state interests are bribing the commissioners but I think it may be that they are simply stupid.
 

FelixDeCat

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Cool and light rain in Fort Worth, our first in about 75 days. Temp plummeted 20 degrees to 85.

Low 75 tonight,

We are now in the top 10 of most days over 100 degrees in a summer:




To make it to number 1, we will need almost another month over 100!
 
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