Texas has been Quietly Denying Special Ed Services for a Decade

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zinfamous

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Well, in Texas, a special needs student is only 3/5th of a person/student, so it makes sense with Texas math.
 

pauldun170

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All kidding aside,
It's well known that special needs funding is a blackhole that steals valuable dollars away from the critical Football stadiums that Texans need.
Anecdotes about "the children" are nice and all but lets face it...
Without Football, how can Texans honor the cherished history and character of the lone star state?
Why aren't people thinking about the veterans who will no longer have a place to go to watch high school football if we are busy diverting money to something that is not football?
 

Londo_Jowo

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All kidding aside,
It's well known that special needs funding is a blackhole that steals valuable dollars away from the critical Football stadiums that Texans need.
Anecdotes about "the children" are nice and all but lets face it...
Without Football, how can Texans honor the cherished history and character of the lone star state?
Why aren't people thinking about the veterans who will no longer have a place to go to watch high school football if we are busy diverting money to something that is not football?
It's obvious you have no clue what you going on about. The money that is used for the football stadiums is raised through bonds paid by the taxpayers and has no effect on the monies used for the school budget that is supported via local property taxes. These same bonds that raise money for the football stadium in many cases also include the building of new schools within the Independent School District as well.
 

zinfamous

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It's obvious you have no clue what you going on about. The money that is used for the football stadiums is raised through bonds paid by the taxpayers and has no effect on the monies used for the school budget that is supported via local property taxes. These same bonds that raise money for the football stadium in many cases also include the building of new schools within the Independent School District as well.

maybe Texas should start special bonds and events to raise money for the special needs kids in their state, which are so callously ignored by their elected officials. I mean, regardless of where the money comes for football, it's clearly jacked-up priorities when fooseball--really so entirely pointless--garners the attention and praise of the rubes to distract them from their failure to support the betterment of their own fellow humans.

And I like football, but it truly is completely pointless. Heck, when you think about it, this is basically community-sanctioned trauma enducement. Considering the amount of money going into football, the amount of traumatic brain injuries and spinal injuries you are now subjecting kids to...it seems like Texas does have a greater need for stronger social support to meet, at the very least, kids with disabilities, no?
 

Londo_Jowo

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maybe Texas should start special bonds and events to raise money for the special needs kids in their state, which are so callously ignored by their elected officials. I mean, regardless of where the money comes for football, it's clearly jacked-up priorities when fooseball--really so entirely pointless--garners the attention and praise of the rubes to distract them from their failure to support the betterment of their own fellow humans.

And I like football, but it truly is completely pointless. Heck, when you think about it, this is basically community-sanctioned trauma enducement. Considering the amount of money going into football, the amount of traumatic brain injuries and spinal injuries you are now subjecting kids to...it seems like Texas does have a greater need for stronger social support to meet, at the very least, kids with disabilities, no?

After reading the article in the OP and how the OP had to fight to get the support for their child I have new insight on the issue. As I stated based on my experience with ESL support I thought the school systems were putting the same emphasis on special education however, this apparently is not the case. I'm all for having a portion of the property taxes (including an increase) to be ear marked for special education in the schools in my ISD.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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Now what kinda commie pinko ay-theist ay-rab Muzlim Jew Mexican ille-gul lib'rul terr'ist bullshit is THAT, Londo?! Whah dew yew hayte Uh-MERRIKUH?!

(I say this in jest, but I guaran-goddamn-tee you a lot of Texans would say it and be deadly serious about it).
 

Londo_Jowo

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Now what kinda commie pinko ay-theist ay-rab Muzlim Jew Mexican ille-gul lib'rul terr'ist bullshit is THAT, Londo?! Whah dew yew hayte Uh-MERRIKUH?!

(I say this in jest, but I guaran-goddamn-tee you a lot of Texans would say it and be deadly serious about it).
I've had some good conversations with the pro-football stadium folks when Katy stadium was on their ballot. I told them we built new a Jr High and High School with a stadium, practice field, soccer field, and baseball stadium for a third of the going price for their super duper stadium. To me it was far more important to reduce the school class sizes by building a 3rd Jr/Sr High School complex in the ISD.
 

pauldun170

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It's obvious you have no clue what you going on about. The money that is used for the football stadiums is raised through bonds paid by the taxpayers and has no effect on the monies used for the school budget that is supported via local property taxes. These same bonds that raise money for the football stadium in many cases also include the building of new schools within the Independent School District as well.


Something something something taxpayer dollars on stadiums.... something something something taxpayer dollars on special needs where stadium has no impact on school budget.
not to be confused with ..
Texans are fine spending taxpayer money for stadiums but are not fine with spending taxpayer money for special needs programs.
 

zinfamous

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After reading the article in the OP and how the OP had to fight to get the support for their child I have new insight on the issue. As I stated based on my experience with ESL support I thought the school systems were putting the same emphasis on special education however, this apparently is not the case. I'm all for having a portion of the property taxes (including an increase) to be ear marked for special education in the schools in my ISD.

right on. I know I went off on a tangent, but I really do think about these things when I see such monuments being built--especially in smaller towns with comparatively limited services or access. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Something something something taxpayer dollars on stadiums.... something something something taxpayer dollars on special needs where stadium has no impact on school budget.
not to be confused with ..
Texans are fine spending taxpayer money for stadiums but are not fine with spending taxpayer money for special needs programs.
So how many people do you know who live in Texas that are aware their property tax money is not being utilized properly for special needs programs? I wasn't aware until I read the OP and I'm sure most assume the school districts are appropriating funding out of what they receive from tax payouts. If there's a shortfall it would require increasing property taxes. As it is many school district request parents to supply normal use items for their children's school/classes that was previously provided by the school district.

As I stated the bonds that are used to build schools/stadiums are voted upon and allocated for the respective projects therefore can't be used for anything else.
 

pauldun170

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So how many people do you know who live in Texas that are aware their property tax money is not being utilized properly for special needs programs? I wasn't aware until I read the OP and I'm sure most assume the school districts are appropriating funding out of what they receive from tax payouts. If there's a shortfall it would require increasing property taxes. As it is many school district request parents to supply normal use items for their children's school/classes that was previously provided by the school district.

As I stated the bonds that are used to build schools/stadiums are voted upon and allocated for the respective projects therefore can't be used for anything else.

I may not know much, but at least I know I'm glad I don't live in Texas.
 

pauldun170

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I'm glad that you're glad.
I'm glad your glad I'm glad...
But not so glad that you have local issues where your kid is being shortchanged due the priorities of your local government.

NY law mandates teasing Texas at every opportunity so please understand that none of this is personal.
I'm just doing my civic duty.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I'm glad your glad I'm glad...
But not so glad that you have local issues where your kid is being shortchanged due the priorities of your local government.

NY law mandates teasing Texas at every opportunity so please understand that none of this is personal.
I'm just doing my civic duty.
Well, actually my kids have graduated from high school. My grandson is getting all the help he needs in the ESL program and is excelling in his school work (A's and B's) in his second year of being in the US. Even with the ESL being mostly directed toward Spanish speaking students they have done well with getting an Indonesian speaking student up to speed with his English skills.
 

pauldun170

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Well, actually my kids have graduated from high school. My grandson is getting all the help he needs in the ESL program and is excelling in his school work (A's and B's) in his second year of being in the US. Even with the ESL being mostly directed toward Spanish speaking students they have done well with getting an Indonesian speaking student up to speed with his English skills.

I get an F for skimming and being in too big a rush to drop my state mandated dig on Texas.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I don't know what the current situation is but it was getting ridiculous back in the late 90's. I was one of only two kids in my 10th grade science class that didn't get a sheet of paper with the answers on it for every test. Sadly out of twenty some odd kids in the class only four of us passed legitimately, the rest were allowed to retake the final until they passed.

If it makes you feel better, I caused like 3 kids to flunk science in the late 90's/00' due to ruining the curve in two? of my grades. So clawed back some of that progress!
 

HamburgerBoy

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Autism is basically a meme at this point. Parents will happily diagnose their children with some kind of social disorder for 1.5x exam time and improved odds of getting into a better college. It's basically the most egregious form of white welfare, outside of the military-welfare state. Glad to see some trying to combat the problem.
 

1sikbITCH

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This isn't surprising. Texas already kills more women at childbirth than most industrialized countries. However they are still holding their own against ISIS controlled territories. The government there systematically attacks non-whites through the political system. Shitting on retards seems like something these folks would do for kicks on a Sunday afternoon like shooting rats down at the track. The US should build the wall on the northern border and give them what they want.

Or not. But it's very disturbing a state in the US could be so backwards in the 21st century.
 

HamburgerBoy

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This isn't surprising. Texas already kills more women at childbirth than most industrialized countries. However they are still holding their own against ISIS controlled territories. The government there systematically attacks non-whites through the political system. Shitting on retards seems like something these folks would do for kicks on a Sunday afternoon like shooting rats down at the track. The US should build the wall on the northern border and give them what they want.

Or not. But it's very disturbing a state in the US could be so backwards in the 21st century.

To be fair, Texas also has a disproportionate number of lardasses. Lardass mothers are at higher risk of childbirth-related death than non-lardass mothers.
 

agent00f

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So how many people do you know who live in Texas that are aware their property tax money is not being utilized properly for special needs programs? I wasn't aware until I read the OP and I'm sure most assume the school districts are appropriating funding out of what they receive from tax payouts. If there's a shortfall it would require increasing property taxes. As it is many school district request parents to supply normal use items for their children's school/classes that was previously provided by the school district.

As I stated the bonds that are used to build schools/stadiums are voted upon and allocated for the respective projects therefore can't be used for anything else.

Funny way to get around to agreeing that Texans only care about paying for football, by first bluster that it's not true and then perfectly validating it.

I get an F for skimming and being in too big a rush to drop my state mandated dig on Texas.

No, Londo was still obligated to hate on ESL for mexicans per degenerate law.
 

gplracer

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Curious, but I was wondering if there was any potential abuse of this program.... Are there legitimate cases where the school should deny special treatment for someone claiming to need special education? would they get advantages in the special education that they would not otherwise?

Just like handicap stickers, any government program can be prone to be a cesspool of abuse.

Sometimes a students could be ADHD, ADD, or have slight autism but is not to the point where special services are needed because they are performing well in school and the condition is not a significant impact on school learning. Some of these kids have a diagnosis and are making all A's or A's & B's. Or they are performing to their intelligence level. The purpose of special education is not to help them be an "A" student. special education can offer extra time on testing, breaking up assignments in smaller parts, and small group instruction and other things. For example if a student always finishes tests with in the class period why would you offer extra time. The problem could be that you have a student with a diagnosed condition who is also has average or below average intellegence. The student is making all B's but the parents think the student should make all A's. Obviously this would cause a conflict between the school and the parents.
 
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