Texas man will NOT be charged for fatal shooting of sheriff's deputy who entered home

z1ggy

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Guy sounds like a real winner. Even if he's not legally held accountable for killing the officer, he still caused grief and sadness to many people.
 

z1ggy

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Errrrr.......no.

Uhhhhh... yeah?


The officer probably has family. He is now dead. His family is very likely sad. ...wtf..

I know it's Texas where you can shoot anybody for pretty much any reason, but the dude is obviously a low life. Growing weed in his house? Oh yeah sounds like a totally outstanding citizen.

The police probably knocked, announced who they were... Obviously no answer, so they broke the door in. They had a warrant. But because they didn't go in screaming and blaring whistles, the home resident probably didn't hear them, then shot with out even a hesitation.
 

WelshBloke

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DeGuerin said sheriff's deputies did not knock on the door or announce who they were when they entered the home.

In that case it seems fair enough. Its a tragedy but you cant really fault the guy.

Also "burglarized" is not a real fucking word. Do you call a burglar a burglariser?
 

Soundmanred

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Uhhhhh... yeah?


The officer probably has family. He is now dead. His family is very likely sad. ...wtf..

I know it's Texas where you can shoot anybody for pretty much any reason, but the dude is obviously a low life. Growing weed in his house? Oh yeah sounds like a totally outstanding citizen.

The police probably knocked, announced who they were... Obviously no answer, so they broke the door in. They had a warrant. But because they didn't go in screaming and blaring whistles, the home resident probably didn't hear them, then shot with out even a hesitation.

This is where your story falls apart.
 

z1ggy

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This is where your story falls apart.

Or...
Julie Renken, the district attorney for Burleson County, said in a statement Thursday she thought the sheriff's office acted correctly during events that 'occurred in a matter of seconds amongst chaos.'

'I believe the evidence also shows that an announcement was made,' Renken said. 'However, there is not enough evidence that Mr. Magee knew that day that Peace Officers were entering his home.'


That last sentence is totally subjective, too. Only the home owner can say if he had enough evidence. What more do you need besides, "Open up. this is the police, we have a warrant."

Either way, who the hell just grabs a gun and starts blasting??

I'm a gun owner. I'm a home owner. If I hear my door open, yes I am going to go grab my gun. But I am going to say something at least...Confront who ever is in my home. I'm not going to spray and pray. That's idiotic.
 

OCGuy

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Uhhhhh... yeah?


The officer probably has family. He is now dead. His family is very likely sad. ...wtf..

I know it's Texas where you can shoot anybody for pretty much any reason, but the dude is obviously a low life. Growing weed in his house? Oh yeah sounds like a totally outstanding citizen.

The police probably knocked, announced who they were... Obviously no answer, so they broke the door in. They had a warrant. But because they didn't go in screaming and blaring whistles, the home resident probably didn't hear them, then shot with out even a hesitation.

Sorry. The asshole cop is the one who terrorized the victim, who is the homeowner.

Fuck the drug war, fuck no-knock warrants. That is how you end up shot.
 

Red Squirrel

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If police are really in a situation where they have to raid a home there needs to be more cut and dry proceedures for doing so, such as making sure the person knows, via a phone call or registered mail or something. Anybody can break into a house and yell "police".

Though police do on purpose for the element of surprise because if you are caught holding a gun they can justify shooting you. In this case, thankfully the victim was faster than the cop at shooting.
 

WelshBloke

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If police are really in a situation where they have to raid a home there needs to be more cut and dry proceedures for doing so, such as making sure the person knows, via a phone call or registered mail or something. Anybody can break into a house and yell "police".

Though police do on purpose for the element of surprise because if you are caught holding a gun they can justify shooting you. In this case, thankfully the victim was faster than the cop at shooting.

:|
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Guy sounds like a real winner. Even if he's not legally held accountable for killing the officer, he still caused grief and sadness to many people.

Those who instigated the home invasion are responsible for killing the officer.

The home owner did what he had to, as anyone else would do.

I fully support giving home owners a fair warning, and a chance to surrender peacefully.
 

13Gigatons

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So many people being hurt now over stupid stuff like parking tickets, traffic violations.
Note to police: You are not Seal Team 6.
 
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Lithium381

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Those who instigated the home invasion are responsible for killing the officer.

The home owner did what he had to, as anyone else would do.

I fully support giving home owners a fair warning, and a chance to surrender peacefully.

yep if it had been some "street thugs" they'd be held for felony murder as an accomplice. . .
 

lord_emperor

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Sowders and other officers entered the home about 90 miles northwest of Houston without knocking just before 6 a.m. Authorities were looking for guns and marijuana.

Sounds like a recipe to get someone shot.
 

smackababy

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Just an example... basically, it should need to be an official communication. Any crazy guy with a gun and bust your door down and yell "police!" and start shooting up the whole place.

Or how about, just leaving people alone in their own house.

Come on now. Just leave people alone? If it is within the law and the duty of the officers to enter a home, I find it hard to believe anyone would be against that.

What I am wondering is at what point is searching a residence such a priority that you have to forcefully enter without notifying the owner or, at least, verifying they know of your presence. And if that is the case, why would you not be wearing the proper gear to expect someone to possibly react violently.
 

Meghan54

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BTW, the cops executed a no-knock warrant, so the home owner may certainly have not known it was the cops.

From the linked article:

...officers entered the home about 90 miles northwest of Houston without knocking just before 6 a.m
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smackababy

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BTW, the cops executed a no-knock warrant, so the home owner may certainly have not known it was the cops.

From the linked article:

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To which I question why they were not wearing the proper gear. If you are going to forcefully enter the home of someone suspected of having guns and drugs in your khaki shirt, pants, and cowboy hat not expecting any resistance, you're an idiot.
 

Doppel

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If these damned cops stopped approaching every situation like they're in a movie, the situations wouldn't so often devolve into gunfire. No knock warrants should be done by an assault team and over serious matters like a kidnapping, not a few fucking pot plants. Plenty of these idiotic cops have gone and killed people over even more minor shit than this. Stop thinking you're in a damn movie and act like a reasonable person and you don't get shot by a home owner or, more likely, kill some home owner over some trivial bullshit.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap
 
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smackababy

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If these damned cops stopped approaching every situation like they're in a movie, the situations wouldn't so often devolve into gunfire. No knock warrants should be done by an assault team and over serious matters like a kidnapping, not a few fucking pot plants. Plenty of these idiotic cops have gone and killed people over even more minor shit than this. Stop thinking you're in a damn movie and act like a reasonable person and you don't get shot by a home owner or, more likely, kill some home owner over some trivial bullshit.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

I'd just like to point out, none of that shit happens in North Dakota!
 

Kadarin

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Irony is that the police there are called "Peace Officers". Further irony is that the officer killed, Burleson County Sgt. Adam Sowders, was the person responsible for obtaining the no-knock warrant that resulted in his own death.

My opinion: Sowders wanted to play badass military-style tough guy, and rightfully paid the price. Good riddance.

 
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