Texas man will NOT be charged for fatal shooting of sheriff's deputy who entered home

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BUTCH1

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That last sentence is totally subjective, too. Only the home owner can say if he had enough evidence. What more do you need besides, "Open up. this is the police, we have a warrant."

Either way, who the hell just grabs a gun and starts blasting??

I'm a gun owner. I'm a home owner. If I hear my door open, yes I am going to go grab my gun. But I am going to say something at least...Confront who ever is in my home. I'm not going to spray and pray. That's idiotic.

If I'm in that situation I'd do the same thing, does anyone really think you should start asking questions to someone who just broke down your front door?, I would logically assume that the person (s) were armed and willing to kill me in a heartbeat, Yea it sucks that someone is dead but the warrant was for pot possession, they weren't after Charles Manson for Christ's sake..
 

IEC

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You have a split second to get positive target ID. At oh-dark-thirty that's hard to do.
 

smackababy

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If I'm in that situation I'd do the same thing, does anyone really think you should start asking questions to someone who just broke down your front door?, I would logically assume that the person (s) were armed and willing to kill me in a heartbeat, Yea it sucks that someone is dead but the warrant was for pot possession, they weren't after Charles Manson for Christ's sake..

That is the point though. The cops got a no knock warrant and executed it poorly. The home owner was not at fault. Someone kicked his door in and stormed in his house. Sounds a lot similar to a home invasion. I'd have shot first and asked questions afterwards as well. And why was Sheriff John Rambo not wearing gear to protect against such a valid response?
 

halik

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BUTCH1

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That is the point though. The cops got a no knock warrant and executed it poorly. The home owner was not at fault. Someone kicked his door in and stormed in his house. Sounds a lot similar to a home invasion. I'd have shot first and asked questions afterwards as well. And why was Sheriff John Rambo not wearing gear to protect against such a valid response?

Good point, your kicking someone's door in in the wee hours of the morning and your not wearing a BP vest?, sounds like that PD is run by a group of idiots..
 

Lithium381

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That is simply the risk LEOs take with no knock warrants. Would there be any difference in the story and people's reaction if the guy didn't have weed plants in his house? Or if they entered the wrong house?

And thats why weve got rambo paramilitary guys in the police force now armed to the teeth ready to kill innocent people and the family pets...
 

Red Squirrel

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The sad part is often when these things happen they actually do get the wrong house sometimes, such as the time they used a chainsaw to cut through someone's door and it turned out to be a mother with her child.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/31/fbi-uses-chainsaw-in-raid-on-wrong-fitchburg-apartment/

This is just sickening, and happens too often. There is absolutely no reason for these kinds of raid for non dangerous crime. The war on drug and war on piracy are way too ridiculous.
 

Red Squirrel

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This is really getting scary, looks like this stuff is happening in my town too now:

http://www.timminstimes.com/2014/02...l-search-man-is-tazered-twice-in-his-own-home

I just happened to run across this, was not even looking for it. I always trusted our local police and figured this brutality stuff was just a problem down south. Looks like it's a problem here too. They scary part is I wonder if this happens more often than we know.

Are we in a day and age where we need to setup panic rooms, not against storms, or robbers, but against the government/police?
 

alkemyst

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I'm a gun owner. I'm a home owner. If I hear my door open, yes I am going to go grab my gun. But I am going to say something at least...Confront who ever is in my home. I'm not going to spray and pray. That's idiotic.

Good luck if that person is armed and waiting for you to come out. There is nothing good that is going to come from someone that has broke into a home they know is occupied.
 

alkemyst

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The sad part is often when these things happen they actually do get the wrong house sometimes, such as the time they used a chainsaw to cut through someone's door and it turned out to be a mother with her child.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/31/fbi-uses-chainsaw-in-raid-on-wrong-fitchburg-apartment/

This is just sickening, and happens too often. There is absolutely no reason for these kinds of raid for non dangerous crime. The war on drug and war on piracy are way too ridiculous.

Even worse is when they get the wrong home and kill the pets because they legally can.
 

Jumpem

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Any law enforcement officers performing no knock warrants deserve to be shot. Don't burst into someone's home unannounced during the night.
 

schmuckley

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In news next week:"Man pulls gun on officer during traffic stop and is shot 70X by 4 officers"
"Handgun was not registered to man" :whiste:
Cruiser videotape not found.
 
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