Texas mayor says government and utility services owe residents ‘nothing’ as tens of thousands left without power and water

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Exterous

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You know very well Fox is framing this so their idiots will blame the wind turbines. Q level misinformation. Wind currently provides 25% of Texas's power. The fact they are freezing just means they are not helping No causal effect.

The fact they went off the grid is the real culprit. Think Fox News and the other conspiracy outlets will tell their people the truth????

We want our freedumbs...we want our freedumbs. Well now you are free to freeze your dumb asses off.

It's not just Fox news. The WSJ ran this article citing the loss of 34,000 megawatts from offlined gas and coal plants as the major contributor but just hours after that posted a WSJ editorial board article about how the "progressives" were at fault and how "The problem is Texas’s overreliance on wind power that has left the grid more vulnerable to bad weather. " "In short, there wasn’t sufficient baseload power from coal and nuclear to support the grid." Don't forget that "The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is supposed to ensure grid reliability, but under Barack Obama it promoted renewables over reliability. Democrats opposed efforts by Trump appointees to mitigate market distortions caused by state renewable subsidies and mandates that jeopardized the grid. On present trend, this week’s Texas fiasco is coming soon to a cold winter or hot summer near you. " The blatant disregard for the facts published by their own goddamn website is astounding

Oh and for some reason the EB article needed a cover photo of AOC and Stacey Abrams because that relates to grid winterization somehow. I guess minority Democrats are going to invade Texas to shove frozen wind turbines up the asses of every God Fearing 'Merican Freedom fighter there
 
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shortylickens

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they gotta keep pushing that agenda to keep in power, right up until the fucking collapse of America.

I'm pretty sure the same thing happened to Rome.
 
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Greenman

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I heard on NPR that the grid issues are exponentially magnified because Texas in their infinite wisdom decided that they wanted an isolated grid from the rest of the country so they can't get surplus power from the neighboring states like pretty much every other state.
The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.
 

MtnMan

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Texas power generating capacity* is greater than any other state, and by a bunch.

These are 2019 figures for the top ten states, and the total US power generation capacity
The capacity shown is in megawatthours.

2019 US Total Electric Power Industry Total 4,126,882,144
2019 TX Total Electric Power Industry Total 483,201,031
2019 FL Total Electric Power Industry Total 245,603,485
2019 PA Total Electric Power Industry Total 228,995,331
2019 CA Total Electric Power Industry Total 201,784,204
2019 IL Total Electric Power Industry Total 184,470,052
2019 AL Total Electric Power Industry Total 142,679,433
2019 NY Total Electric Power Industry Total 131,603,289
2019 NC Total Electric Power Industry Total 131,173,861
2019 GA Total Electric Power Industry Total 128,691,569
2019 OH Total Electric Power Industry Total 120,001,126

Texas has the generating capacity equal to 11.7% of the total for the whole country.
Takes a real Texan to fuck that up.

* Source:https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/
 

WelshBloke

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The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Texas power generating capacity* is greater than any other state, and by a bunch.

These are 2019 figures for the top ten states, and the total US power generation capacity
The capacity shown is in megawatthours.

2019 US Total Electric Power Industry Total 4,126,882,144
2019 TX Total Electric Power Industry Total 483,201,031
2019 FL Total Electric Power Industry Total 245,603,485
2019 PA Total Electric Power Industry Total 228,995,331
2019 CA Total Electric Power Industry Total 201,784,204
2019 IL Total Electric Power Industry Total 184,470,052
2019 AL Total Electric Power Industry Total 142,679,433
2019 NY Total Electric Power Industry Total 131,603,289
2019 NC Total Electric Power Industry Total 131,173,861
2019 GA Total Electric Power Industry Total 128,691,569
2019 OH Total Electric Power Industry Total 120,001,126

Texas has the generating capacity equal to 11.7% of the total for the whole country.
Takes a real Texan to fuck that up.

* Source:https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/
Everything is bigger in texas. Apparently the fuckups too

The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.
Hurting production is not the same as "primarily responsible for outages". Guess which one conservative outlets are running with?

Losing coal, gas, and nuclear capacity will really fucking hurt production too.
 

MtnMan

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I heard on NPR that the grid issues are exponentially magnified because Texas in their infinite wisdom decided that they wanted an isolated grid from the rest of the country so they can't get surplus power from the neighboring states like pretty much every other state.
Which also means they can't sell excess power to other states.

You made that bed Texas, now you get to freeze your ass off in it.
 

MtnMan

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The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.
You would, cause it is a Greenman magnet... err I mean it pure bullshit..... oh wait I repeat myself.

Besides Texas natural gas power production is greater than Florida's total capacity.

2019 TX Total Electric Power Industry Natural Gas 255,630,021
2019 FL Total Electric Power Industry Total 245,603,485
 
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Greenman

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What do you want me to say? I'm not in Texas, and I don't know if ice buildup affects windmills. I would certainly expect it to, as the blades are stationary at times and if they iced they might not start spinning again till they thaw out. The other issue that comes to mind would be ice buildup on the blades. I could see that being a problem, depending on how robust the bearings and support system are.

I find it bazar that frozen windmills are a political issue. That they work and produce clean energy was never in question. That it's profitable to run them is beyond doubt. That they don't work without wind is second grade physics. The devices are spinning or they're not, someone should mosey on over to one, have a look, and settle the question.
 

WelshBloke

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Nobody wants you to say shit. Do a little reading, use a little common sense, do this thing called thinking, and then figure it out.
God dammit MrSquished! I wanted to say something along the lines of "I want you to say that you aren't going to just take whatever bullshit chain emails as gospel anymore and that you're going to apply some critical thinking to things" but yours is more pithy.
 

MtnMan

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What do you want me to say? I'm not in Texas, and I don't know if ice buildup affects windmills.
There are working windmills in Antarctica, Fucking Antarctica. What could one conclude from the fact that windmills work just fine in Antarctica? Would it cause someone to think that they just might work if the temperature is below freezing or it snows?


Oh jeeze, I hope he knows where Antarctica is.
 

Vic

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Interesting thread. Seems to me that there's a direct connection between being gullible enough to believe that wind turbines are the cause of a massive power blackout in Texas, and being capable of believing that expecting corporations to actually fulfill their contractual obligations to their paying customers is socialism.
I mean.. you just can't make this shit up.
 

ivwshane

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Interesting thread. Seems to me that there's a direct connection between being gullible enough to believe that wind turbines are the cause of a massive power blackout in Texas, and being capable of believing that expecting corporations to actually fulfill their contractual obligations to their paying customers is socialism.
I mean.. you just can't make this shit up.

For some weird reason people seem to naturally side with businesses over people. I guess it’s our culture of lowered expectations. Somehow protecting people has become a form of socialism. I guess words no longer have a set meaning.
 
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PowerEngineer

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What do you want me to say? I'm not in Texas, and I don't know if ice buildup affects windmills. I would certainly expect it to, as the blades are stationary at times and if they iced they might not start spinning again till they thaw out. The other issue that comes to mind would be ice buildup on the blades. I could see that being a problem, depending on how robust the bearings and support system are.

I find it bazar that frozen windmills are a political issue. That they work and produce clean energy was never in question. That it's profitable to run them is beyond doubt. That they don't work without wind is second grade physics. The devices are spinning or they're not, someone should mosey on over to one, have a look, and settle the question.

My understanding is that wind turbines can effectively "freeze up" in cold temperatures when the lubricants in the blade hub assemblies become too viscous. In regions expecting cold temperatures, this can be mitigated with better insulation and heaters. Of course, this costs extra and therefore not something normally requested for wind turbines being sited in warmer climates. And perhaps the extra cost was hard to justify for a cold weather event that might take the wind turbines out of service for a week every twenty years. This kind of thinking is probably also behind decisions that left other fossil-fueled generating resources unprepared to operate in such cold conditions. It isn't the nature of the generation (i.e. wind or fossil-fueled) that is at the root of the problem. It is the decision to not invest enough in hardening more of the generation against cold weather that seems to be the culprit.

That, and their longstanding reluctance to build interconnecting transmission lines with other states due to their distaste for federal regulations.
 
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cytg111

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Callout getting more traction


Cant some of these dorks be sued for slander or something?

"...These charlatans that will lie to people for power and profit."

 
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cytg111

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And perhaps the extra cost was hard to justify for a cold weather event that might take the wind turbines out of service for a week every twenty years. This kind of thinking is probably also behind decisions that left other fossil-fueled generating resources unprepared to operate in such cold conditions.

Thats the moronic part imo, yea sure, you could argue against securing the entire infrastructure, but being told this is coming for at least a decade at least one vector of power should have been hardened... cause the alternative will be loss of life... to winter.
I can only blame lack of coherent thought on this one.

Or maybe its actual coherent, but its "chilling" to think about : I might lose next cycle, if this shit happens on another's watch it will be much easier to reclaim office next-next cycle.
 
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shortylickens

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Callout getting more traction


Cant some of these dorks be sued for slander or something?

"...These charlatans that will lie to people for power and profit."

Its already been long established the press doesnt actually have to tell the facts. In fact Fox in particular has already gone to court several times and used that as a defense.
 

Pohemi

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That mayor who resigned is the typical Texas rethuglicon, no? I mean he's not much different than Ted Cruz or Gov Abbott, maybe just slightly less tactful. Only slightly.
The role of government is to organize the Thunderdome right?
Somebody get Tina.
I lived in texas when they started to deregulate their power system in the late 90s and early 2000s (moved out in 07). it was sold that it would lower prices and nothing of the sort happened, the prices went up and up.
Texas: 'Freedumb costs money but at least those filthy feds won't have their hand in our business.'

I'm sure someone, somewhere along the line likely used this bullshit rationalization/justification.
The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.
Accurate, yes. Accuracy does not necessarily equate to honest portrayals of the situation.
When you leave out every other pertinent detail about the cause of outages due to literal frozen infrastructure including natural gas and nuclear generation, it's highly disingenuous.
But I think you know that, deep down.
So do the fuckheads at Fox and other outlets pushing that bullshit.
So does Governor Abbott and other Texas officials.
 
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sdifox

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What do you want me to say? I'm not in Texas, and I don't know if ice buildup affects windmills. I would certainly expect it to, as the blades are stationary at times and if they iced they might not start spinning again till they thaw out. The other issue that comes to mind would be ice buildup on the blades. I could see that being a problem, depending on how robust the bearings and support system are.

I find it bazar that frozen windmills are a political issue. That they work and produce clean energy was never in question. That it's profitable to run them is beyond doubt. That they don't work without wind is second grade physics. The devices are spinning or they're not, someone should mosey on over to one, have a look, and settle the question.


It's very simple, Texas wind farms are not winterised. Despite being told at least twice by feds they should winterise their power generation infrastructure.
 

zinfamous

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The short bit I read said "Half of Texas wind turbines freeze, hurting energy production". That's a pretty simple statement, and as far as I can tell, accurate.

Have you ever heard the expression, "missing the forest for the trees"? Do you understand what that means?
 
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zinfamous

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I find it bazar that frozen windmills are a political issue. That they work and produce clean energy was never in question. That it's profitable to run them is beyond doubt. That they don't work without wind is second grade physics. The devices are spinning or they're not, someone should mosey on over to one, have a look, and settle the question.

The hell? do you follow....well, anything at all in politics? Why do you even venture into this forums if you claim to be blissfully unaware that the GOP has been politicizing green energy for decades?

How can you possibly find this bizarre, at all? Are you just lying?

Look man, you may not know this but I give you more credit than most around here (I really do! even if I don't post that way. ), but this is just absurd.

This "who, me?" act is just trite, bordering on embarrassing at this point when you say things like that.
 
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