Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
Seems you are just confusing yourself over all this. On one hand you want to spout the Union cult talking points yet you also want to be this anarchist "fight the power" type. Seems to me you are nothing but a walking contradiction. :laugh:
I do not know what is more pathetic, your accusation that I am a "anarchist" or your accusing me of contridicting your lame worldview, If you had a clue you would fight the power that over takes you in here daily, the power of stupid hackery and raving lunatic fringe right wing bs.
Now go get your apron back on, china needs you greeting incoming customers slaveboi.
Of course you'll pull what I said out of context.Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Good to see this is getting taken care of.
And to the haters who jumped on me even after showing OSHA reports, here it comes, I told you so.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard[/b]
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You, sir, are completely out of touch with reality. You continue to revel in your own ignorance. Feel free to do so. I will feel free to neglect anything you say.
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'll be more than happy to embarrass you.
Thanks Cyclo, but once again you might want to pull that foot out of your mouth before you try it.
I hope these workers unionize fast.
I'll even go so far as to reiterate: wtf do unions have to do with safety regulation? The regulations are set by OSHA and other similar organizations. If the company doesn't follow them, then they can be fined and/or sued. Afraid of being fired for raising safety concerns? That's why there are whistleblower protection laws in place. By firing you, they would be guaranteeing a much larger payout such that you'd never have to work again, to say the least. You can argue that unionizing will give them more bargaining power, but the real issue is a lack of enforcement. The regulations have been there for a long, long time. Why don't you sue OSHA?quote:
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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
the person in the story who was babysitting and had her windows blasted in and is sick now I would consider working class.
The refinery workers know they are a target and hopefully have a union to keep the money men from getting lax with saftey regulations.
-but then this is yee-haa Texas were talking about who knows?
"We don't need none of dem dere commie unions to keep workers safe here in Tex-BOOM!"
TX = right wing run state = union unfriendly =big money oil men making mad bling at the expense of the workers and safety
More of the same from texas, the state of rich energy mogul rapists with a free pass to do as they please
just more ignorance showing from the bush apologists and kool-aid swillers
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I'm glad you're so familiar with chemical processing safety as to think unions have anything to do with it. I guess you had to make an anti-conservative rant in this thread somehow if you were going to post. If you want to call me ignorant on these issues, feel free. I'll be more than happy to embarrass you. We just had a seminar on such things today, so it's even fresh in my mind.
Originally posted by: bctbct
Cyclowizard, Shades of Grey, Jediloda,
While I do not not what you guys do for a living I suspect that you all work in relatively low risk jobs that do not have many safety issues that occur each day.
Union vs safety, you see no connection? Are you aware that Unions routinely train on safety issues that effect their membership on a daily basis.
Are you aware that the day my boss tells me to enter a confined space without the proper equipment or lock out tag out, the first thing I would do is look to my co-workers. There is safety in numbers and my co-workers would look me in the eye and I know they would be with me on my answer....NO
Your coworkers would drop their eyes and wander off inventing a task they needed to do while you fend with your boss.
The next thing I would do is call the union hall, the BA would be onsite within the hour, discussing with the boss the terms of the contract that they are in violation of.
There absolutely is a difference between knowing that your Union is prepared to represent your life and welfare.
This is not about saving money, its about safety. Some people will trade safety, YOUR safety for a buck. If you think you have that type of security in your workplace.....think again...WHAT could or would you do??? My guess........you would do what you're told since most people need a job and you have very little recourse.
Whistleblowers....you are dreaming if you think that applies to the majority of the population.
BTW I spend $21 a month of my Union dues....keeps the lights on at the Hall so we can have meeting once a month and train our new members. Not much corruption can be afforded with that.
Keep spewing your hate.
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Quoting yourself after one minute ?
That's pretty damn lame isn't it.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Quoting yourself after one minute ?
That's pretty damn lame isn't it.
No more lame that the 9/11 conspiracy theories..lol
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
The only hate being spewed is by the Union preacher, and it's against anything that isn't Union.
But just like I pointed out, people who have been indoctrinated in the Union religion are programmed to rely on them and rely on others instead of relying on themselves. If your boss tells you to enter a confined space against regs and code - you refuse the order and state why. If they boss fires you, then he never respected you. Do you want to work for an employer that doesn't respect you?
BTW, I do happen to have a job that involves moderate to high risk depending on the situation. We constantly have to be training on the new regs like Arc-Flash protection rules(NFPA 70E) and other such safety procedures. You should see the gear we take with us to locations, the paperwork out our ears if we step foot on location, and other such logging/safety items. It is a pain, but I know the company is only trying to do the right thing and keep us safe. Did you catch the part where my occupation is not Unionized?
I have been to Union locations and non-Union locations. There is very little difference in safety procedures and the attention paid(or not in some cases) between the two, so this nonsense about Unions and safety is BS.
Keep bowing to the Union Gods.
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
The only hate being spewed is by the Union preacher, and it's against anything that isn't Union.
But just like I pointed out, people who have been indoctrinated in the Union religion are programmed to rely on them and rely on others instead of relying on themselves. If your boss tells you to enter a confined space against regs and code - you refuse the order and state why. If they boss fires you, then he never respected you. Do you want to work for an employer that doesn't respect you?
BTW, I do happen to have a job that involves moderate to high risk depending on the situation. We constantly have to be training on the new regs like Arc-Flash protection rules(NFPA 70E) and other such safety procedures. You should see the gear we take with us to locations, the paperwork out our ears if we step foot on location, and other such logging/safety items. It is a pain, but I know the company is only trying to do the right thing and keep us safe. Did you catch the part where my occupation is not Unionized?
I have been to Union locations and non-Union locations. There is very little difference in safety procedures and the attention paid(or not in some cases) between the two, so this nonsense about Unions and safety is BS.
Keep bowing to the Union Gods.
It sounds like you work for a respectable employer, so do I. However I also work around people on jobsites, and they're employers would not even know them by name.
For instance, we had a large framing crew show up last week to install wooden trusses on a erected steel commercial building.
Us- Gentlemen, all your employeees must wear hard hats at all times onsite.
Them- We dont have any
Us- Today we will loan you some of ours, tomm. you must have one for each employee. You do have fall protection for your people right?
Them- No, what do you mean?
Us-We mean that you are not working 28 ft off the ground sitting on steel I-Beams without wearing safety harnesses.
Them-Do you have those that we could borrow?
Us- Unfortunately, we cannot loan those types of devices because we would be 100% responsible for your employees safety and our insurance company has absolutely forbidden us to loan this type of equipment.
We see this type of safety issues everyday on construction sites. A Union subcontractor in this day and age knows these types of regs are required without exception, but we typically see this from non Union contractors because they are not accustomed to going the extra mile to provide safety. Not to say that all non union companies are not in compliance, but if their is a lack of compliance....it is always a non Union outfit.
These companies have much more frequent turnover, typically have more inexperience employees, and the employees most times have no idea of OSHA requirements.