Texas, once again, Trying to Cut Planned Parenthood off from Medicaid

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Rome hardly flourished. Certainly not after their "Texans" voted for bread and circuses. Learning life's "shitty" lessons happens just by living. Having an asshole Texan decide who and when doesn't fall anywhere in the constitution that I know about. Particularly, when the vast majority have a darker skin than you. Institutionalized racism is hardly something to be proud of.

I don't know, going from a city state to controlling the majority of the known world as an empire for hundreds of years seems like flourishing to me. Certainly much better results than we have had so far and I don't see us lasting another few hundred years at the rate we are going.

Learning those lessons is much harder if you are shielded from the ill effects of them. I am not anti-abortion, hell setup free abortion booths on every corner right next to the suicide booths, just don't hand out assistance to people that fuck up their lives.

And you may not want to presume someones heritage on the internet, half of my family have been here since Texas was part of Mexico and still barely speak English. It wasn't until my grandfather decided his children wouldn't learn Spanish that it stopped being the only language spoken. Tejano culture is an integral part of Texas and anyone here that is against Tejanos isn't a real Texan. So just forget about this darker skin bullshit I am prejudiced against people from other states that want to come here and tell us we are doing it wrong not people with a different skin color.

As for Austin, people follow the money as they've always done. Maybe they can follow the likes of Phoenix and become the second largest gated community in North America. Oh wait, that pesky "open border" pretty much insures your second class status. The only one shielding children from reality is the Texas educational system. That's why so many never leave Texas, they get laughed at when they do.

The city of Austin sucks, mostly due to the number of California transplants that have completely changed the city over the last two decades, I hope they do wall themselves in and keep the problems there with them.

Also please don't associate me with thinking that stupid ass wall is going to do anything other than put money in people's pockets, drive up ladder sales in Mexico and strip land away from the current owners.

I love the Texas education system, competing with idiots is much easier than intelligent people.

 

[Zorba]

If anyone's interested. The 2017 decision by Judge Sam Sparks banning Texas from doing this has been overturned by the 5th Circuit today.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cou...ked-texas-ousting-planned-parenthood-medicaid

And just in passing, this decision specifically mentions that the Center for Medical Progress videos involved were found not to be deceptively edited.

I'm sure you're happy since this will directly lead to less women getting preventative birth control and medical services, leading to more unwanted babies and harmed women.

 

[Zorba]

Not going to disagree - but isn't it well... basically... free these days?

After the ACA it's seen as preventative medication (IIRC). Thus, anyone with health insurance can pick it up at a pharmacy for $0 copay.

So the next obvious counter-point to that is the poor having health insurance. The fact is that in the low income brackets (< $35k) nearly the entire amount of the health care premiums are subsidized in the ACA. So.... little to no excuse at this point, no? It's basically free now.

You forgot that it requires an RX from a gyno which can take months to get into and be over $200. This is a service PP provides.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You forgot that it requires an RX from a gyno which can take months to get into and be over $200. This is a service PP provides.

False. General checkup at a gyno is considered preventative care as well.


Try again victim culture mentality.

 

[Zorba]

False. General checkup at a gyno is considered preventative care as well.


Try again victim culture mentality.

Yeah, you are right, I forgot.

The pill still shouldn't require an RX and should be cheap with or without insurance, especially for teens.

We also all know that not everyone has coverage and with states attempting to block Medicaid funding from providers that help low income women it makes availability worse.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

My iee

I don't know, going from a city state to controlling the majority of the known world as an empire for hundreds of years seems like flourishing to me. Certainly much better results than we have had so far and I don't see us lasting another few hundred years at the rate we are going.

Learning those lessons is much harder if you are shielded from the ill effects of them. I am not anti-abortion, hell setup free abortion booths on every corner right next to the suicide booths, just don't hand out assistance to people that fuck up their lives.

And you may not want to presume someones heritage on the internet, half of my family have been here since Texas was part of Mexico and still barely speak English. It wasn't until my grandfather decided his children wouldn't learn Spanish that it stopped being the only language spoken. Tejano culture is an integral part of Texas and anyone here that is against Tejanos isn't a real Texan. So just forget about this darker skin bullshit I am prejudiced against people from other states that want to come here and tell us we are doing it wrong not people with a different skin color.



The city of Austin sucks, mostly due to the number of California transplants that have completely changed the city over the last two decades, I hope they do wall themselves in and keep the problems there with them.

Also please don't associate me with thinking that stupid ass wall is going to do anything other than put money in people's pockets, drive up ladder sales in Mexico and strip land away from the current owners.

I love the Texas education system, competing with idiots is much easier than intelligent people.

My ire wasn't aimed at you personally but, at the State government you defend. Just a thought to consider, when all the outsiders tell you you're doing it wrong, maybe you're doing it wrong.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeah, you are right, I forgot.

The pill still shouldn't require an RX and should be cheap with or without insurance, especially for teens.

I agree, but that's a different discussion in of itself - I believe one of the main requirements is what harm can be done to the body if you were to take multiples of the medicine?

That isn't just limited to birth control though. I think it's stupid to have to go to a dermatologist for simple skin-care products as well. I think it's stupid I have to go to a neurologist yearly just to renew my prescription for epilepsy... Yeap... I still have it... hasn't magically gone away.

I honestly don't think it's too much to ask though overall. Also there are plenty of generic-based birth controls that are decades old that are generally ~$5-10 to fill at a pharmacy so you can't use price as an argument. Walmart has a prescription listing of all that are at a base price of $7 or something and you can find plenty in there. Those are prices with or without insurance obviously.

 

[brycejones]

I agree, but that's a different discussion in of itself - I believe one of the main requirements is what harm can be done to the body if you were to take multiples of the medicine?.

You mean like the fatal liver damage that can result from Tylenol and has killed many infants and children?

 

[Zorba]

I agree, but that's a different discussion in of itself - I believe one of the main requirements is what harm can be done to the body if you were to take multiples of the medicine?

That isn't just limited to birth control though. I think it's stupid to have to go to a dermatologist for simple skin-care products as well. I think it's stupid I have to go to a neurologist yearly just to renew my prescription for epilepsy... Yeap... I still have it... hasn't magically gone away.

I honestly don't think it's too much to ask though overall. Also there are plenty of generic-based birth controls that are decades old that are generally ~$5-10 to fill at a pharmacy so you can't use price as an argument. Walmart has a prescription listing of all that are at a base price of $7 or something and you can find plenty in there. Those are prices with or without insurance obviously.

Yeah, I don't really think the cost of the pill themselves are the problem, but the roadblocks to getting them, especially for teens and low-income families. Even if they aren't all OTC, some of the ones with very little side affects should be.

 

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My iee
My ire wasn't aimed at you personally but, at the State government you defend. Just a thought to consider, when all the outsiders tell you you're doing it wrong, maybe you're doing it wrong.

I don't agree with the State gov on their foolish crusades that make us look like idiots such as the topic of this thread. But there are some bright spots such as the push for wind power that has been wildly successful and the drive to entice employers to move here since the recession pretty much shielded us from most of the negative impacts. I am a fan of the balanced budget part of our state constitution and the "rainy day fund" but I don't agree with how they spend that fund sometimes and I love the no state income tax. Texas has gone from a net recipient of Fed tax dollars to a net payer, which is pretty special for a "red" state.

There are a great many things I like that the state Gov does but they keep doing these things that make us look like complete fools that gets all the focus.

 

[HomerJS]

Anyone who thinks a fertilized egg is a person try taking a tax deduction while pregnant before birth. You get busted by the IRS and the case goes to court what do you think will be the result??

 

[hal2kilo]

Texas is very focused on incentives. The answer to the question "what should a poor mother do if she is forced to have a child she can't afford?" is basically "don't have sex unless you can afford a kid." The mother who already made that mistake is irredeemable in the eyes of Texas, her only purpose going forward is to be a warning to those who come after her of what not to do. The kid is collateral damage in the never ending war against perverse incentives. Texas would doom tens of thousands of kids to poverty if that meant there isn't a single welfare queen living off the government.

The mentality in Texas is really just to write people off. I remember a few years ago I was watching a football game with a feed from New York and I was amazed by how many GED commercials there were. Here in Texas there are no GED commercials, because Texas figures if you didn't finish high school and go to college why waste the time trying to give you a half ass high school degree when at best you will dig ditches. The still ingrained Wild West mentality means no second chances, because I guess after a mid town shootout your only options were dead or alive.

Seems like, they will end up with more unwanted brown kids than white kids. Am I getting this wrong?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Anyone who thinks a fertilized egg is a person try taking a tax deduction while pregnant before birth. You get busted by the IRS and the case goes to court what do you think will be the result??

Sooo not trying to argue against your point necessarily. I just want to run a little counter argument against the whole "It's not a person until it pops out" argument....

My kid happened to pop out a little early. By early, I mean a whole trimester early. No one could even detect that my wife was pregnant by that point. While in the hospital we met plenty of others that had them as early as 22 weeks.

 

[Paratus]

Anyone who thinks a fertilized egg is a person try taking a tax deduction while pregnant before birth. You get busted by the IRS and the case goes to court what do you think will be the result??

I haven’t seen anyone try that yet.

However I did see a case of a guy convicted of sex with a minor argue that per the state law that assigned personhood at conception his victim was actually 9 months older than her recorded age and therefore not a minor at the time of the incident.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Seems like, they will end up with more unwanted brown kids than white kids. Am I getting this wrong?

No, you aren't wrong.

But I will say as someone who has lived in Texas and across the south that Texans do not embody the outright racism that can be seen elsewhere in the south where the color of someone's skin is too often assumed to be a character flaw.

Instead its pretty much all economic driven, which ends up in the same place almost when you are looking at the big picture thanks to institutional racism but means that Texans don't have the same racist malice I have seen elsewhere.

Not that I am defending the results, just look at the demographics for death row in Texas and the institutional racism is apparent. Just pointing out that the usual conservative characterture of a white person who hates poor black people doesn't really fit Texas like it does for the rest of the south. The real villain in Texas is whoever they see standing in their way of economic progress for themselves.

 

[Paratus]

No, you aren't wrong.

But I will say as someone who has lived in Texas and across the south that Texans do not embody the outright racism that can be seen elsewhere in the south where the color of someone's skin is too often assumed to be a character flaw.

Instead its pretty much all economic driven, which ends up in the same place almost when you are looking at the big picture thanks to institutional racism but means that Texans don't have the same racist malice I have seen elsewhere.

Not that I am defending the results, just look at the demographics for death row in Texas and the institutional racism is apparent. Just pointing out that the usual conservative characterture of a white person who hates poor black people doesn't really fit Texas like it does for the rest of the south. The real villain in Texas is whoever they see standing in their way of economic progress for themselves.

I get what you are saying and feel similarly. I live in Texas too. Then I remember it wasn’t that long ago they dragged a black man to death behind a pickup. Maybe it’s got a bit better since then?

 

[poofyhairguy]

I get what you are saying and feel similarly. I live in Texas too. Then I remember it wasn’t that long ago they dragged a black man to death behind a pickup. Maybe it’s got a bit better since then?

Yeah obviously I am not saying Texas doesn't have real racists. It does- especially on the far east side which is basically the deep south (aka where that poor man got killed).

But Texas is a big place and most of it is part of its own very district culture built around a frontier mentality. A huge example of that is LBJ. Part of the reason he was onboard with the Civil Rights act because as a frontier Texas he didn't have that innate racism like many of his peers in the south.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeah obviously I am not saying Texas doesn't have real racists. It does- especially on the far east side which is basically the deep south (aka where that poor man got killed).

But Texas is a big place and most of it is part of its own very district culture built around a frontier mentality. A huge example of that is LBJ. Part of the reason he was onboard with the Civil Rights act because as a frontier Texas he didn't have that innate racism like many of his peers in the south.

Both of you that have been to Texas are wrong. It's a bunch of pew pew with people in Cowboy hats. They still have lynching! If you say otherwise than you're just ignorant.

/proceeds to munch on tacos, burritos, taquitos, from the nearest taco truck.

I said this in another thread, Texas is the 2nd most diverse state.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Both of you that have been to Texas are wrong. It's a bunch of pew pew with people in Cowboy hats. They still have lynching! If you say otherwise than you're just ignorant.

/proceeds to munch on tacos, burritos, taquitos, from the nearest taco truck.

I said this in another thread, Texas is the 2nd most diverse state.

In parts for sure but sounds like you also know enough to realize there are other parts that are not. Have you been to the parts that are not and have no desire to ever be?