Texas Pete's Hot Sauce, sued for not being from Texas. (The family and factory in which it's made is fron NC.)

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balloonshark

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Yes! That is the Valentina I was talking about a few posts back. What would you say the flavor profile is? Unlike most other hot sauces it has a definite spice flavor other then the peppers. Cumin maybe?
I always thought it tasted like a combination of hot sauce and A1 steak sauce.
 

nakedfrog

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Deceptive, should be illegal.
So back to the Texas Toast you posted... does the bakery name and product name have to be changed so people don't think they're buying quantum toast that's from both New York and Texas, when it's really neither?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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So back to the Texas Toast you posted... does the bakery name and product name have to be changed so people don't think they're buying quantum toast that's from both New York and Texas, when it's really neither?
Product name no, it's common knowledge that french fries don't come from france. It's a style of cooking. I would argue that a company shouldn't be permitted to use a location in their brand name unless they're actually making the product in that location. 'American Arms' shouldn't be making rifles in China, 'NY Bakery' shouldn't be making muffins in Ohio, and there better not be a 'southwest' anything in Maine.

I have very strong opinions regarding advertisement and manipulative tactics, though.
 

mindless1

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Okay I'll bite..... how is "Texas" being used without the word "style" (or something similar) next to it not false-advertising?

It's the order of the words. It is Texas Pete, not Pete's Texas Hot Sauce. It is very clear from the packaging of several Texas Pete products, word and logo placement, that Texas Pete is the brand, and where the product is stated it only reads "Hot Sauce".

Further there is prior art in the product segment. Is Secret Aardvark hot sauce made out of Aardvarks? Is Weak Knees sauce made from knees? Is Black Bee sauce made of Bees? Is Newcomb's Atomic Hot sauce, atomic? Is Exit Wound Hot Sauce made out of blood? How about Satan's Blood Sauce?

Scorned Woman, X-Rated, After-Death, Mega-Death, Ass Reaper, Bloody Pirate, Beelzebub's Breath, Ghost Scream, Toxic Sludge, Lucky Dog, Dancing Skeleton, Eye Of The Scorpion, etc, etc, etc.

There is much wrong in the advertising world but this is too little to even register.
 
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Captante

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Is Secret Aardvark hot sauce made out of Aardvarks?

All these years I BELIEVED my sauce had real Aardvark's and you took that away from me!

(heartless fiend!)




Long as nobody makes me put it on my scrambled eggs, "Pete" can call his weak-a$$ excuse for hot sauce whatever "he" wants!

 
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Captante

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Last time I had a Firehouse sub I noticed a distinct lack of Fireman behind the counter!
 

Torn Mind

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It's the order of the words. It is Texas Pete, not Pete's Texas Hot Sauce. It is very clear from the packaging of several Texas Pete products, word and logo placement, that Texas Pete is the brand, and where the product is stated it only reads "Hot Sauce".

Further there is prior art in the product segment. Is Secret Aardvark hot sauce made out of Aardvarks? Is Weak Knees sauce made from knees? Is Black Bee sauce made of Bees? Is Newcomb's Atomic Hot sauce, atomic? Is Exit Wound Hot Sauce made out of blood? How about Satan's Blood Sauce?

Scorned Woman, X-Rated, After-Death, Mega-Death, Ass Reaper, Bloody Pirate, Beelzebub's Breath, Ghost Scream, Toxic Sludge, Lucky Dog, Dancing Skeleton, Eye Of The Scorpion, etc, etc, etc.

There is much wrong in the advertising world but this is too little to even register.
The matter in dispute in this and other cited cases is use of words regarding geographic origin to "represent" a product.

One of the previous disputes was over "Belgium 1926". That case was ultimately settled. Many, but not all counts, did survive motion to dismiss, which is just an early stage of the process, with certain procedural rules. For example, at that stage, the reading of complaint is in a manner most favorable to the plaintiff. Hesse, et al. v. Godiva Chocolatier, Inc.

“For the purposes of a motion to dismiss, the Court takes well-pleaded allegations in Plaintiffs’ Complaint as true and draws all reasonable inferences in Plaintiffs’ favor. See Koch v. Christie's Intern. PLC , 699 F.3d 141, 145 (2d. Cir. 2012).” Hesse v. Godiva Chocolatier, Inc., 463 F. Supp. 3d 453, 460 (S.D.N.Y. 2020)


The states of NY and California have their own local laws that are often incorporated in those complaints....thus businesses have to follow their tighter standards when selling in those locales.
 

Torn Mind

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"Texas-Toast" is a commonly available product made by more than one company and/or restaurant (DUNKIN has "Texas Toast" lol) it's not really comparable.

What might be a fair example however would be a "NY Pizza" that's actually made in Wisconsin but its ads/label implies otherwise. The "NY" part would unquestionably be total bullshit but it's not worthy of a court of laws time.
Take it up with the judges--appointed by the U.S President of the time--that denied the motion to dismiss on some counts and the states that passed some of the more stringent laws that allow a basis for violations of law to be pled.

This is the life of a law. Once passed, enforcement need not be stymied by laypeople's assumptions about discretion. It will be enforced as long as the conditions on paper are met. Enforcement here being done by attorneys and whoever they recruited to be the lead class action plaintiff.

After all, pro-consumer laws are to punish the 1%, which these big companies are, to rule through law and not through force(true everything is done in a courtroom), and to keep companies in line.
 

UsandThem

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Ever time I read about stupid lawsuits like those mentioned here (and all the various ambulance chaser lawyer ads on TV), now all I can picture is:


 

Torn Mind

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If this actually filters over to olive oil marketing...I'd be for these battles. Because....it's really bad in that market and people do buy that oil at a premium for health benefits.

And yes, these who come knowledge of growing up in Italy would either make their own or pick something bronze-cut, but for an "reasonable person" in an American judicial context, the reasonable person could make assumption of authenticity depending on the labelling.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Ugh, it's a fucking two dollar box of pasta. That's what I bought when I bought pasta, but I never harbored notions that it was made in Italy.
'They're bad at manipulating people' shouldn't be a valid defense, though. It should be illegal to attempt to manipulate people.

Yes, that would make most advertising illegal. As I said earlier in this thread, I have very strong opinions about advertising.
 

nakedfrog

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'They're bad at manipulating people' shouldn't be a valid defense, though. It should be illegal to attempt to manipulate people.

Yes, that would make most advertising illegal. As I said earlier in this thread, I have very strong opinions about advertising.
Yeah, and I don't agree with your opinions. Putting "Italy's #1 Brand of Pasta" on the box doesn't qualify as advertising to me, doesn't imply that it's made in Italy, and I think there should still be some level of due diligence expected of the consumer, not have every little bit spoonfed to them. If their stupid arse can't flip around the box and see where it's made, that's on them.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Yeah, and I don't agree with your opinions. Putting "Italy's #1 Brand of Pasta" on the box doesn't qualify as advertising to me, doesn't imply that it's made in Italy, and I think there should still be some level of due diligence expected of the consumer, not have every little bit spoonfed to them. If their stupid arse can't flip around the box and see where it's made, that's on them.
Maybe, but we also don't blame rape victims for getting raped, so we probably shouldn't blame victims of mental manipulation either. Double standards, and all that.
 
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Ugh, it's a fucking two dollar box of pasta. That's what I bought when I bought pasta, but I never harbored notions that it was made in Italy.
Such a similar line of thought is why the sugar industry in the U.S remains a monopoly/given government protection. Their effect on price is perhaps only 0.50 cents or so, but that's all they need to maintain the power.

Yes, the amount of quantifiable harm for a particular individual is very small and thus they would not have economic reason to sue as a single person. But it affects multiple people in the collective, so there harm collective.

In addition, a person will have a few thousand transactions of food in their lives. A saving of a $1 each can result in substantial savings.

"Italy's No.1 brand of pasta" could lead to the inference that the Italians in Italy buy this product the most over there based on the "No. 1 brand" component.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Let me see if I can get find a big enough eye roll for this level of false equivalence.

You eyeroll, but those conditioning tactics have been used to abuse people for centuries. Manipulation is a fucking horrific tool, and we shouldn't normalize it just because someone wants our money.

And false equivalence be damned, blaming the victim is blaming the victim.
 
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