LOL? Do they [Trump and Administration] need help in looking bad? All any one has to do is wait a minute and they'll do it for themselves.
LOL? Do they [Trump and Administration] need help in looking bad? All any one has to do is wait a minute and they'll do it for themselves.Or a politically motivated government employee who didn't care about their job looking to make the current president and administration look bad which seems to be the new norm.
Never say never. Hitler was going to play nice with Neville. Kim isn't expansionist but he has been known to shoot people with AA fire and murder relatives and others because he can. That fits no definition of sane I know. I do agree that for the moment it is unlikely Kim will launch first but anything can happen.
In HI I think I would identify areas of survivability and know the basics. Yes boys and girls you too can survive an attack depending on circumstances and location. Ground zero? Maybe if in a really good bank vault structure, but then you have to get out and that's problematic too. Otherwise of there's an alert, know the drill and live a most likely normal lifespan.
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Honolulu and 100 kt, airburst. Horrific, but not state obliterating.
You're being willfully obtuse. I'm not blaming Trump for the alert; it's just a sad commentary on Trump's needless antagonism and overall stupidity that an alert like this is plausible.
So this alert system was created after 1/20/2017?
I typically enjoy your posts jhhnn but in this you're angrily dismissive. You know the facts, the facts are that Trump is antagonizing an unstable leader. No matter your confidence in how Kim will react, it's two unstable leaders conducting inflammatory conversation. It's the unstable, unpredictable element that's worthy of concern, worthy of speculation and in light of a false alarm worthy of fear (unfounded or not) or at the very minimum, discomfort.So, Kim might attack because... Hitler? Really?
I figure the smart thing for Americans to do about the OMFG! N Korean Nuclear Weapons Threat! is to blow it out their ass because it's not a real threat at all.
Don't go lettin' yourself get all propagandized, OK?
Read what I said, please, and stop acting like an 8-year-old. The issue isn't the alert system in itself, it's that Trump has antagonized North Korea to the point where a missile attack warning for Hawaii is all too plausible.
Don't buy into the bullshit fear mongering. It's what Trump wants.
Read what I said, please, and stop acting like an 8-year-old. The issue isn't the alert system in itself, it's that Trump has antagonized North Korea to the point where a missile attack warning for Hawaii is all too plausible.
Apparently, it was plausible before 1/20/2017. Are you that far into the Liberal cult that common sense has been trained out of you?
Well no, actually, it wasn't plausible before.
North Korea only tested its first ICBM on July 4th of this year. Previous tests were for mid- or short-range missiles that wouldn't have gone much further than Japan. And of course, neither Obama nor Bush Jr. were hurling childish insults or treating nuclear arsenals like a dick-waving contest.
Also, would you look at that? There were dramatically more tests in 2017 than in previous years. It's almost as if someone was antagonizing them, prompting them to ramp up their program in a show of force. But I guess things like observable facts don't matter to you, do they?
It's almost as previous administrations facilitated NK's nuke and rocket programs.
Apparently, it was plausible before 1/20/2017. Are you that far into the Liberal cult that common sense has been trained out of you?
Stop Playin'! You Don't Know What Big Foot Will Do!About as plausible as Bigfoot coming out of the woods & giving a press conference.
What's a helluva lot more plausible is that Trump is just pulling everybody's chain for domestic political purposes. Kim's purposes aren't much different, I suspect.
About as plausible as Bigfoot coming out of the woods & giving a press conference.
What's a helluva lot more plausible is that Trump is just pulling everybody's chain for domestic political purposes. Kim's purposes aren't much different, I suspect.
I also was thinking that this could be a political gain for more defense or prevent defense cuts. I am surprised that they have an emergency system without double verification(2 factor) before sending out the alerts. Pushing the wrong button seems like a lame excuse. What kind of retaliation measures are in place when such an alert is activated? I'm sure some were in the process of being activated that we will never know about.
But the civilians didn't.Please. It's a Hawaii thing, not a US military thing. The assigned military guys knew it was a false alarm the moment they saw it.
But the civilians didn't.
So, Kim might attack because... Hitler? Really?
I figure the smart thing for Americans to do about the OMFG! N Korean Nuclear Weapons Threat! is to blow it out their ass because it's not a real threat at all.
Don't go lettin' yourself get all propagandized, OK?
You implicitly trust Kim. I don't trust any of them. You do? You know with absolute certainty what will happen in ten years, five, one, tomorrow? I don't, so congrats I guess?
WTF is that supposed to mean? I trust that Kim & his junta aren't interested in going the way of Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate or David Koresh. What they want is to perpetuate their Stalinist racket & having a half assed credible nuclear deterrent serves that end. It's also a huge bargaining chip wrt future concessions on our part.
Well jhhnn, the truth is, as strongly as you feel that the people of Hawaii overreacted you really can't know unless you experience it how you would have felt in their shoes. Again, it's not propaganda. The fear stems from something real going on. All you can really say is that the fear people are feeling is inflated and yes even sensationalized. It is not based on outright lies and alternative facts.Well, Trump *is* President, so you figure it out. What fear mongering propagandists see when they look out across America is a nation of chumps.
WTF is that supposed to mean? I trust that Kim & his junta aren't interested in going the way of Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate or David Koresh. What they want is to perpetuate their Stalinist racket & having a half assed credible nuclear deterrent serves that end. It's also a huge bargaining chip wrt future concessions on our part.
You're trusting in the sanity of a small hermit kingdom where almost the entire population are slaves. Delusions of grandeur don't even begin to describe the travesty they may aspire to for their god king.
Well jhhnn, the truth is, as strongly as you feel that the people of Hawaii overreacted you really can't know unless you experience it how you would have felt in their shoes. Again, it's not propaganda. The fear stems from something real going on. All you can really say is that the fear people are feeling is inflated and yes even sensationalized. It is not based on outright lies and alternative facts.
It's a lack of sensitivity to not acknowledge that the people of Hawaii were frightened by the alert that turned out (inevitably from your perspective) to be false. You're kind of being a jerk about it in fact.
If someone gave you the impression they wanted to beat you to death even if that person knew they didn't mean it, and you were defenseless, that first swing that was never actually going to connect would still mess with you.