Texture shimmering/aliasing problem on high end GPU's?

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed

btw, name calling isnt a smart thing to do.

please show me where i called you a name in my post above

Its pretty obvious...

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

Everyone would be much better off, not calling others names.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed

btw, name calling isnt a smart thing to do.

please show me where i called you a name in my post above

Its pretty obvious...

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

Everyone would be much better off, not calling others names.

you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

you forgot the "IF". if you want to go ahead and say thats all you post about in every single thread, be my guest. then i'll call you a fanboy

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

Everyone would be much better off, not calling others names.[/quote]

you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

you forgot the "IF". if you want to go ahead and say thats all you post about in every single thread, be my guest. then i'll call you a fanboy
[/quote]


All this over a thread started by a guy with 4 posts? Wonder what other names he has used with his silly trolling?

 

[Ackmed]

You cant back your way out. I didnt forget the if, I quoted your whole post. Again, all I post? Whats that supposed to mean. I refuted ignorance, and posted facts. So yeah, thats all Im going to post.

Calling names, can get you banned now. You may want to watch your step.

 

[TheRyuu]

Oh man, another classic video thread. Can't get to 20 posts without starting a flamewar.

We all know Nvidia's and ATI's graphics cards shimmer. It's a fact of life. At stock settings, ATI's don't shimmer as much. When you turn on HQ in Nvidia CP the shimmering is reduced, by a lot. That being said, ATI's IQ>*, and thats a fact.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You cant back your way out.

back my way out of what? my original statement stands : if you post the same thing over and over and over again in every single thread, you're a fanboy. not sure what you're getting mad about there

Again, all I post? Whats that supposed to mean.

please show me where i mentioned you in my post

Calling names, can get you banned now. You may want to watch your step.

calling names can get me banned? didnt you just call me ignorant in your post?

no need to get all worked up over a comment that wasnt even directed at anyone in particular

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's nice to see someone document what the fanatics on this forum would never admit to - especially when they are busy accusing the opposition of suffering the same problem...

I think it's more of, "I know we shimmer, but you shimmer more!"

Quoted for truth. Bloody Nvidiots just cannot accept that shimmering is much worse on their beloved hardware.

Ah, but:
1) Shimmering isn't just a nvidia problem unlike what ackmed & co would have you believe with his "gigantic" monitor.

2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers. This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers. This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

I think you made this up.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers. This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

I think you made this up.

Oh really? Care to place some substance behinds your beliefs?

Where for instance is the ATi equivelant of LOD bias clamp? (the main factor in shimmer reduction regardless of quality mode)?

 

[ronnn]

Ati doesn't need the lod bios clamp, as out of the box ati has less shimmering than nvidia after you have played with driver settings. I have not read anywhere about nvidia having less or equal to ati in terms of shimmering - using any settings you want in the nv control panel.

But if you have sources that prove otherwise......, I still think you made that up.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

There's shimmering but it's much worser on Nvidia cards.

Another flame war because people don't read. In fact, this post is futile...

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
1) Shimmering isn't just a nvidia problem unlike what ackmed & co would have you believe with his "gigantic" monitor.

I don't know what Ackmed or anybody else has to say about shimmering, and they're big boys who don't need someone like me to defend them. It's my opinion though that while shimmering is a serious flaw in both brands, the problem is much more apparent on Nvidia hardware.

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers. This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

This is because, as we all know, Nvidia drivers default to quality instead of high quality, and switching them to high quality does not entirely get rid of the problem. As both an ATI and Nvidia user, I'm of the opinion that shimmering is still more apparent on Nvidia hardware even if you force the drivers into high quality.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You cant back your way out.

back my way out of what? my original statement stands : if you post the same thing over and over and over again in every single thread, you're a fanboy. not sure what you're getting mad about there

Yeah, that stands. And I said name calling isnt a smart thing to do. Then you said you didnt call any names. You've admitted you have now. Thanks for admitting it.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Again, all I post? Whats that supposed to mean.

please show me where i mentioned you in my post

Well, you quoted me. So I can only assume you were talking to me? See below for that quote;

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed

So now you're a fanboy if you make a factual statement?

you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Calling names, can get you banned now. You may want to watch your step.

calling names can get me banned? didnt you just call me ignorant in your post?

no need to get all worked up over a comment that wasnt even directed at anyone in particular

No, I said I refuted ignorance. wreckages ignorance. And now, calling someone ignorant, is not calling them a name.

Im not worked up. And your post was directed towards me. You quoted me, its fairly easy to understand.

You've tried this with me several times now, its not worked yet...

 

[KingGheedora]

What is shimmering?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's nice to see someone document what the fanatics on this forum would never admit to - especially when they are busy accusing the opposition of suffering the same problem...

I think it's more of, "I know we shimmer, but you shimmer more!"

Quoted for truth. Bloody Nvidiots just cannot accept that shimmering is much worse on their beloved hardware.

Ah, but:
1) Shimmering isn't just a nvidia problem unlike what ackmed & co would have you believe with his "gigantic" monitor.

2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers. This thread has given no indication thus far that the same is true for ATi owners...

1. Would you care to show me where I said that NV is the only one that shimmered? What I said was that, a large LCD shows shimmering more. That goes for both ATi and NV.

2. Reduced. Still not to the same quality of ATi.

All of this has been said before, you and others, try to put words in other peoples mouths. NV shimmers worse than ATi. Get over that fact. They both can improve on it, and hopefully they will.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You cant back your way out.

back my way out of what? my original statement stands : if you post the same thing over and over and over again in every single thread, you're a fanboy. not sure what you're getting mad about there

Yeah, that stands. And I said name calling isnt a smart thing to do. Then you said you didnt call any names. You've admitted you have now. Thanks for admitting it.

who did i call a fanboy?

Well, you quoted me. So I can only assume you were talking to me? See below for that quote

i responded with a statement not directed at you.

And now, calling someone ignorant, is not calling them a name.

okay, so if i call you a retard its not calling you names?

And your post was directed towards me.

and you know this how...? please dont tell me you can read my mind

You've tried this with me several times now, its not worked yet...

tried what? you keep saying that, but you never say what im trying to do. here, i made a comment and you got mad

 

[xtknight]

To call someone a name you have to be calling them a noun. Ignorant=adjective,retard=noun. Ignoramus on the other hand...

 

[josh6079]

Where for instance is the ATi equivelant of LOD bias clamp? (the main factor in shimmer reduction regardless of quality mode)?

Here

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is shimmering?

This is.

Ati doesn't need the lod bios clamp, as out of the box ati has less shimmering than nvidia after you have played with driver settings.

Even before you play with the settings it has less. The LOD has a value of zero--clamped--at default.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
who did i call a fanboy?

I dont know why you cant understand it. Its pretty simple. You quoted me, said I was a fanboy if I posted in such a manner. I dont care what you call me, its just silly that you cant accept the facts.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Well, you quoted me. So I can only assume you were talking to me? See below for that quote

i responded with a statement not directed at you.

You responded, with me quoted. Its obvious you were talking to me.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

And now, calling someone ignorant, is not calling them a name.

okay, so if i call you a retard its not calling you names?

Yes, that is calling a name. xtknight summed it up pretty well. Im sorry you dont understand the Engligh language.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

And your post was directed towards me.

and you know this how...? please dont tell me you can read my mind

Again, because you quuoted me, then responded. How can you not be talking to the person you quoted, and posted right under?

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

You've tried this with me several times now, its not worked yet...

tried what? you keep saying that, but you never say what im trying to do. here, i made a comment and you got mad

You know well enough. You've posted behind me in this same manner several times. Its not working well for you, you may want to rethink it.

I didnt get mad, I simply said that calling names now days is not the best thing to do, as people have been getting banned for it. And all of this has been, you denying it, and denying that you were even talking to me. Its very clear what happened, and Im done wasting time on it. No matter if you can admit it or not.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Where for instance is the ATi equivelant of LOD bias clamp? (the main factor in shimmer reduction regardless of quality mode)?

Here

Originally posted by: KingGheedora
What is shimmering?

This is.

Ati doesn't need the lod bios clamp, as out of the box ati has less shimmering than nvidia after you have played with driver settings.

Even before you play with the settings it has less. The LOD has a value of zero--clamped--at default.

I'll repeat what I said in my PM to you - "You don't have the first clue what you are talking about..."

nvidia users can adjust LOD as well. This ***does not*** influence or control shimmering! The LOD bias clamp is an entirely different control and one ***introduced specifically*** to combat shimmering.

Oh and I must say that ATi control panel is hilarious - since when have DXTC and bump maaping been considered "tweaks" to be turned on and off?...

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
... rabbit rabbit rabbit ...

1. Would you care to show me where I said that NV is the only one that shimmered? What I said was that, a large LCD shows shimmering more. That goes for both ATi and NV.

2. Reduced. Still not to the same quality of ATi.

All of this has been said before, you and others, try to put words in other peoples mouths. NV shimmers worse than ATi. Get over that fact. They both can improve on it, and hopefully they will..

1) You have implied this multiple times. You are on record as stating that you changed from nvidia to ATI because of the shimmering.

2) rubbish!

As to the last bit, yes, both IHV's need to seriously improve their IQ game. That I will agree with.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

I dont know why you cant understand it. Its pretty simple. You quoted me, said I was a fanboy if I posted in such a manner. I dont care what you call me, its just silly that you cant accept the facts.

okay, since you seem to not understand....

my original statement:

"you're a fanboy if thats all you post in every single thread"

now answer this question please, so we can end this:

do you post the same thing in every single thread?

 

[BFG10K]

plus turning it on causes a very distracting colored line to appear at the top and left of the screen in several games

This is definitely an ATi driver bug but strangely ATi engineering don't seem to be concerned that it affects their flagship cards in a highly touted feature like AAA.

ATI's AAA has a lot of compatibility, IQ and performance glitches while nVidia's TrAA just works in all my games and image quality is impeccable. Throw in SSAA into the mix and you have nVidia offering the best AA quality for single cards.

This is one of the reasons why I stick with nVidia. That and ATi's driver quality has decided to take a dump all over my X800XL lately while nVidia's 9xxx drivers are superb.

No, there are seveal in complete denial about this problem on ATI hardware.

It's not necessarily denial, just pointing out that in many situations ATi doesn't shimmer when nVidia does.

2) Shimmering can be effectively controlled in the nvidia drivers.

We've been over this a thousand times Gstanfor. While HQ helps tremendously my 7900GTX still tends to shimmer on busy water shaders like Far Cry, Serious Sam 2 and Halo where my X800XL does not.

Oh and I must say that ATi control panel is hilarious

Except that isn't the ATi control panel and you'd know this if you had actually used an ATi card. You'd also know what it means to be shimmer-free in certain scenes.

 

[Gstanfor]

Your x800XL is not an x1800/1900/1600/1300 - it is irrelevant to the thread.

Okay then, the ATi utility is hilarious. Anyone who thinks it's a reasonable option to disable bump mapping/DXTC given the use they are put to by games seriously needs their heads examined. Maybe this is how ATi benchmarks get to be so fast...

 

[BFG10K]

Your x800XL is not an x1800/1900/1600/1300 - it is irrelevant to the thread.

Except R5xx AF quality is better than R4xx quality so your comment is disingenuous at best.

Anyone who thinks it's a reasonable option to disable bump mapping/DXTC given the use they are put to by games seriously needs their heads examined.

It's a compatibility/testing option much like how nVidia allows forcing lower PS/VS generations. Furthermore you can clearly see the options are on by default.

Maybe this is how ATi benchmarks get to be so fast..

It's comical how you talk about default settings inflating benchmark results but then turn a blind eye to nVidia's default Quality settings.