TF2 - Engineer update

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hellfire88

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2003
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I've been playing this new Engie update all weekend and been having a good time. No slowdown issues really (maybe a brief 3sec lag once in a while) and my PC isn't the best (in sig). The Wrangler is pretty fun to mess with. I heard the Engineer comics were pretty funny so going to search and read them heh.
 

Alienwho

Diamond Member
Apr 22, 2001
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I played this weekend but couldn't figure out how to build a mini sentry or do any of that sentry control/shield stuff. htf are you supposed to get that ability? Is it just a random item drop type thing?

Speaking of random item drops, why do I always "find" items that I've already had for years. I can't count the number of times I have found the dead ringer and other crap.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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I played this weekend but couldn't figure out how to build a mini sentry or do any of that sentry control/shield stuff. htf are you supposed to get that ability?

Drops.
You need to get the new Engineer drops to do those things.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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I played this weekend but couldn't figure out how to build a mini sentry or do any of that sentry control/shield stuff. htf are you supposed to get that ability? Is it just a random item drop type thing?

Speaking of random item drops, why do I always "find" items that I've already had for years. I can't count the number of times I have found the dead ringer and other crap.

i'm pretty sure you need to complete a few of the engi achivements before the items drop. or atleast thats what i've done, the stuff drops pretty quickly, they don't make it rare or hard to find those new items.
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Wrangler
read around.
you don't just get the ability right away.

but yes, it makes the engi far more useful. before you camped..boring boring camp, risk too high to change positions most of the time so you were basically stuck baby sitting. atleast thats over.
 
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gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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i'm pretty sure you need to complete a few of the engi achivements before the items drop.

It may help increase your chances, but I don't think this is necessary. The only reason I say this is because I randomly got a soldier item and I don't have any of those achievements done.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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Apr 10, 2005
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It doesn't exactly increase your chances. There is a random chance of any drop being one of the new items, or any other. However, the new items are always obtained after completing achievement milestones.
 

coldmeat

Diamond Member
Jul 10, 2007
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Ya I have 9 minutes of playtime with the spy, yet I occasionally get drops for him.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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It doesn't exactly increase your chances. There is a random chance of any drop being one of the new items, or any other. However, the new items are always obtained after completing achievement milestones.

:hmm: I see. I thought the items were all random drops now, but they're tied to drops AND the achievements. Shows how much I've played it :awe:
 

flashbacck

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Aug 3, 2001
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:hmm: I see. I thought the items were all random drops now, but they're tied to drops AND the achievements. Shows how much I've played it :awe:

I think they must've increased the random drop rate recently as well. A few months ago, I almost never got a drop when I played. Now it feels like I get one every hour or so.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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I think they must've increased the random drop rate recently as well. A few months ago, I almost never got a drop when I played. Now it feels like I get one every hour or so.

I think you're right. I found 3 items just playing for a couple hours last night where I only got 2 the entire 10 other hours I put into the game before.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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I think they must've increased the random drop rate recently as well. A few months ago, I almost never got a drop when I played. Now it feels like I get one every hour or so.

they probably tweak it during an update, and while you haven't found the upgraded weapons yet. once you get your new weapons it probably goes back to diminishing returns
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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haven't gotten the wrangler yet, but did just get the gunslinger.
 

PhatoseAlpha

Platinum Member
Apr 10, 2005
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They changed the drop algorithm a bit back, and the weekly cap was reset for the golden wrenches, then again with the engie update, so for a while you should've been getting a fair number of drops.
 

darom

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Dec 3, 2002
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It seems the latest engie update brought more chaos and hectic play - esp. the instant sentry drop. I usually play a spy and it was quite frustrating to fight/sap 4-5 sentries with a bunch of engineers swinging their wrenches at you Another interesting/frustrating point was the engie's upgraded shotgun which seems to fire critz all the time?
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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It seems the latest engie update brought more chaos and hectic play - esp. the instant sentry drop. I usually play a spy and it was quite frustrating to fight/sap 4-5 sentries with a bunch of engineers swinging their wrenches at you Another interesting/frustrating point was the engie's upgraded shotgun which seems to fire critz all the time?

now you know how us Engies felt with you spies running around sapping our builds while you stabbed us in the back.
 

Alienwho

Diamond Member
Apr 22, 2001
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I play as a spy 75% of the time and I haven't found the engineer update to really make my life any more difficult, just a little different.

I also played as an engineer for about 2 hours last night and even got a bunch of achievements and I still haven't gotten any of the new items yet.
 

mb

Lifer
Jun 27, 2004
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Pro tip: if you want to get the 17 minimum achievements to unlock all the weapons, just set up a local server with bots. As long as you don't enable cheats you can get achievements. Set the bots as easy and they are pretty dumb.

It's very easy to get the following achievements this way. I suggest using dustbowl as the map. I made mine 32 players because sometimes you'll want to add more bots, and sometimes just 1 is enough.

Land Grab
Help a team member construct a building. [probably the easiest. just have another engy on your team]

Battle Rustler

Teleport 100 team members into battle. [must teleport a certain minimum distance. set the enemy team as heavy weapons, and have your team be scouts. they will take your tele and die quick, respawn, and take it again and again. just keep a decent ratio or your scouts will overpower the heavies and win]


Built to Last
Help a single building take over 2000 damage without being destroyed. [enemy soldiers work better than demos. demos always killed my SG too easily]

Doc Holiday
Have a dispenser heal three teammates at the same time.

Frontier Justice
Within 10 seconds, have your sentry kill the enemy that just killed you.

Silent Pardner
Upgrade 50 buildings built by other players. [just set up a team full of engineers and you can get this one fast. once they all build and everything is upgraded, just kick all bots and add more engineers]

Revengineering
Use a revenge crit to kill the player that destroyed your sentry gun

Deputized
Get 10 assists with another Engineer where a sentry gun was involved in the kill. [set up a team with you and another engy, and the other team is just scouts. won't take much time at all]

Doc, Stock and Barrel
Repair a sentry gun under fire while being healed by a Medic [you will need at least one other non-medic class on your team to get the medic to leave your spawn. i found if it's just you and a medic, the medic will never leave. not sure why]


No Man's Land
Use a sentry gun to kill 25 enemy players trying to capture a point. [set up a level 2 sentry near a point and set the other team as scouts. if you upgrade to level 3 it will kill the scouts before they can get on the point. the first point in the first stage of dustbowl works the best. just set it in the corner by the stairs.]



If You Build It, They Will Die
Haul a level 3 sentry gun into a position that achieves a kill shortly after being redeployed. [bots focus more on killing enemies than capping a point, so move your SG up while your bots are fighting. chances are you can set one down in the middle of a fight]

The Extinguished Gentleman
Have dispensers you built extinguish 20 burning players.

Texas Two-Step
Use your shotgun to finish off an enemy recently damaged by your sentry gun.

Uncivil Engineer
Provide an enemy player with a freeze cam of you and the sentry that just killed them. [I was pleasantly surprised to see this work with bots]

Unforgiven
Kill three enemies with revenge crits without dying.

Pownd on the Range
Kill 10 enemies outside the normal sentry gun range using the Wrangler.

Building Block
Have a sentry shielded by the Wrangler absorb 500 damage without being destroyed.

Breaking Morant
Kill 10 Snipers with a sentry gun under the control of your Wrangler

It's also probably the quickest way to get 5000 kills, just set the enemy team as all scouts and make sure they can't hit your sentry from a distance [several scouts shooting their pistol will kill your SG], and make sure you're set up so they can't circle around you. One time they were able to completely surround me and kill me and my buildings.

You cannot get "Trade Secrets - Kill 20 players carrying the intelligence" because CTF maps do not work with bots. Also I read spies don't really work so don't try for those related achievements.
 
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0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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It seems the latest engie update brought more chaos and hectic play - esp. the instant sentry drop. I usually play a spy and it was quite frustrating to fight/sap 4-5 sentries with a bunch of engineers swinging their wrenches at you Another interesting/frustrating point was the engie's upgraded shotgun which seems to fire critz all the time?

the gun only fires crits if the sentry gets blown up after racking up kills, its about as balanced as it gets since its useless until that point.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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the gun only fires crits if the sentry gets blown up after racking up kills, its about as balanced as it gets since its useless until that point.

After your sentry gets a few kills you can destroy it and get the crits. Then put up a new sentry. I find this to be better than others taking the sentry down since you might be dead when it happens (ie stickies killing you plus sentry).
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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After your sentry gets a few kills you can destroy it and get the crits. Then put up a new sentry. I find this to be better than others taking the sentry down since you might be dead when it happens (ie stickies killing you plus sentry).

True but as always it relies on a series of events and takes quite a while..and destroying your own sentry is not optimal, going combat just for that reason for a couple shots...probably disadvantageous to you and your team..esp now that you can simply move your sentry up to a better area.. in many maps your sentry controlling some choke point isn't all that expendable...hard to justify blowing it up for just the oft chance you might crit kill on your little 3 round clip. even with crit the shotgun needs to be close up to kill, and with 3 shots you can't miss. not having a sentry to back you up makes this worse. so in most situations..not worth it at all.
 

Red Storm

Lifer
Oct 2, 2005
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I must say it's quite fun when I manage to get a level 3 sentry in front of the other team's base (talking about 2fort specifically here)... and then using it to rocket jump and grab the gun on the way up to their battlements where I redeploy and set up a quick dispenser & teleporter. Seeing people lazily round the corner expecting a safe path get annihilated is just too funny. :awe:
 
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