[tftcentral] Asus, Acer and HP Announce 65" Big Format Gaming Displays with G-sync

[tential]

Asus, Acer and HP Announce 65" Big Format Gaming Displays with G-sync
January 10th 2018

Announced in conjunction with NVIDIA, this week at CES 2018 in Las Vegas Asus (image on left), Acer (image on right) and HP (image below) have all showcased their massive new 65" large format displays aimed at PC gaming. Despite the huge size, these new screens are not a TV, they are a computer monitor and will feature support for 120Hz refresh rates and NVIDIA G-sync. This is a true native 120Hz refresh rate, not interpolated like many available LCD TV's and so will support frame rates of up to 120fps. This is then supported by the G-sync function to allow for dynamic variable frame rates. Low input lag is also being promoted as a key feature, which separates these large format displays from most TV screens.

The Asus ROG Swift PG65, Acer Predator BFGD and HP OMEN X65 Big Format Gaming Displays offer an Ultra HD 3840 x 2160 resolution and even supports high-end HDR functionality through the use of a Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) backlight system, with peak brightness of 1000 cd/m2. This HDR feature is supported by the 125% sRGB colour gamut, offering ~90% DCI-P3 coverage thanks to the use of Quantum Dot coating.

Users can also enjoy 4K HDR content streaming with the integrated NVIDIA SHIELD, the most advanced streamer with video, gaming, voice control and smart home command capabilities.

It remains to be seen whether a screen this large is really practical for users, as it's aimed at PC gaming really and how many people have the desk room for a 65" display, or can sit a comfortable viewing distance of a few meters away for PC gaming? You could have it as a living room display given the size, as it's probably larger than most people's TV screens, although it's unlikely to feature all the integrated TV tuners etc that you might need, and it's probably unlikely again that users will have their PC in the living room to game from. Perhaps this is more of a concept than something which will sell in high volume, although it's certainly interesting as a display option.

Pricing and additional details will be released closer to the availability date, which is expected to be later this year.

Source: Asus, NVIDIA, HP

 

[tential]

I saw this on the amd subreddit as a wish for amd to get this for freesync.
Today I see this article. I won't lie, I got a little too excited.

If amd doesn't have a competitor soon, it'll be an easy decision!

 

[Grooveriding]

This sounds pretty interesting and I think I'd like one of these. What are we guessing on price? I'm guessing $3500-$4000US?

 

[Elfear]

I'm glad to see some new enthusiast monitors in the seemingly glacial advancement of displays but I'm trying to think of a good use case for this outside the casual gamer who uses a controller from his couch. That's great for some games but I imagine most PC gamers like using a keyboard and mouse.

 

[IEC]

I like the 4K, enhanced color gamut, and 120Hz refresh rates... but I don't need 65". That's simply too big for comfortable mouse and keyboard usage unless I add a multiple foot extension to the back of my (homemade, oak) computer desk to place it at an optimal viewing distance, or wall mount the display.

I do however use a 4K 40" screen currently for my primary monitor, and love it. So I will likely upgrade to something similar to the display in the OP around the 40" mark when they are available.

 

[tential]

I'm glad to see some new enthusiast monitors in the seemingly glacial advancement of displays but I'm trying to think of a good use case for this outside the casual gamer who uses a controller from his couch. That's great for some games but I imagine most PC gamers like using a keyboard and mouse.

Yup, that's the use case and there are lots of us out here who have been begging for monitors like this.
We've had to resort to Korean clones or just sacrifice in other ways. It's more the home theater contingent thing I see. Lots of people want better large screen monitors, don't worry were out there.

Freesync versions will be coming out soon too if amd is smart. Remember, this was being discussed on the amd subreddit as us needing to ask amd to work with vendors to bring this to fruition. People are continuously asking for this.

Since Xbox one x supports freesync its well overdue for us to head about this.

This brings PC gaming that much closer to the living room in its most premium condition.

That's got to be exciting in some respect.

4k 120hz adaptive sync large screen gaming.... That's legit.

If Nvidia was smart they'd fill out their gsync lineup instead of having it be the sporadic "overpriced" mess it is.

Amd just needs to communicate freesync coming to large displays since it's clearly coming and they need a 4k capable gpu available to push more than just 1080p versions, although even those will be greatly appreciated.

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[EXCellR8]

so, technically a monitor for a desktop or a (not) TV with discrete PC gaming in mind. kind of neat. I may keep an eye out to replace my current 55" LED TV. i don't have cable anyway, nor do I need any TV apps so...

 

[tential]

so, technically a monitor for a desktop or a (not) TV with discrete PC gaming in mind. kind of neat. I may keep an eye out to replace my current 55" LED TV. i don't have cable anyway, nor do I need any TV apps so...

I mean exactly. Us as PC users, we don't need any of that junk. Most of us have other pcs.Trim the junk out of the displays and give us serious big screen displays. I mean we has a person here talking about using their HTpc setup with their 1080ti on a 55 inch 4k TV.

Why wouldn't that type user want a gsync option?

Our HTpc setups need the displays to match. Low input lag, high refresh, adaptive sync.

@Grooveriding

I mean... $4k is probably conservative.
It's the super niche display... Then add the gsync multiplier. Boom.

I'm just excited to see the PC gaming move more firmly into the living room. It's nice to use a console, but when everything is cross platform I really don't know why I'd get a console. $500 I can put a decent down payment on a gpu.

 

[Elfear]

I like the 4K, enhanced color gamut, and 120Hz refresh rates... but I don't need 65". That's simply too big for comfortable mouse and keyboard usage unless I add a multiple foot extension to the back of my (homemade, oak) computer desk to place it at an optimal viewing distance, or wall mount the display.

I do however use a 4K 40" screen currently for my primary monitor, and love it. So I will likely upgrade to something similar to the display in the OP around the 40" mark when they are available.

Exactly my case too. I use a 4k 40" monitor and it's about as big as I want for my desk. I would love to see the same tech as this 65-incher come down to the 35-40" monitors.

Yup, that's the use case and there are lots of us out here who have been begging for monitors like this.
We've had to resort to Korean clones or just sacrifice in other ways. It's more the home theater contingent thing I see. Lots of people want better large screen monitors, don't worry were out there.

Freesync versions will be coming out soon too if amd is smart. Remember, this was being discussed on the amd subreddit as us needing to ask amd to work with vendors to bring this to fruition. People are continuously asking for this.

Since Xbox one x supports freesync its well overdue for us to head about this.

This brings PC gaming that much closer to the living room in its most premium condition.

That's got to be exciting in some respect.

4k 120hz adaptive sync large screen gaming.... That's legit.

If Nvidia was smart they'd fill out their gsync lineup instead of having it be the sporadic "overpriced" mess it is.

Amd just needs to communicate freesync coming to large displays since it's clearly coming and they need a 4k capable gpu available to push more than just 1080p versions, although even those will be greatly appreciated.
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I see where you're coming from, I just never thought there were that many HTPC-type gamers. I'm probably looking through my own narrow lens but 95% of the games I play work better with a keyboard and mouse so the couch experience is few and far between.

For the couch gamer though, I can see where this would be an awesome monitor (outside the inevitable price).

 

[Carfax83]

What is up with these clowns? First they have the audacity to make 4K Gsync monitors with a measly 27 inches, and then they go in the opposite direction by offering ridiculously sized monitors!

For an actual desktop monitor, the optimal size for a 4K screen should be between 32 and 40 inches. Anything smaller or larger is a waste of material in my opinion.

 

[Aikouka]

Hm, I think this is interesting, but I guess the question is... what will this be good at? Will it be more of a PC Gaming TV or a Home Theater PC Monitor? Like another user mentioned, a huge monitor like this doesn't work well at a desk where it'll likely be in close proximity; however, it may work fine at a distance as a secondary monitor for controller-based games. Although, if this thing costs between $2000-3000, could you imagine spending that for a secondary monitor that you use for only a portion of your games?

Now, if someone wants to use this for a TV, I think this has a lot more potential there. The only problem is that the price comes into question again as the BFGD may end up being priced against high-end TVs. So, it will have to be comparable to them in regard to visual quality or else it won't be a great home theater TV. They state that it supports HDR and has a 1000 nit peak brightness, which is considered the recommended minimum for HDR. (That is if the brightness value is accurate.) Also, hooking an HTPC up to this would end up being a bit different as you'd likely run two connections: DisplayPort to the BFGD for video and HDMI to a receiver for audio.

It's good to see that they're using an Nvidia Shield for multimedia, but I wonder if that also handles the menus? I've got a Sony 930E, which also runs Android TV, and the worst part is dealing with the super slow menus. I'm sure the Tegra X1 is likely quite a bit faster than the MediaTek SoC in my TV. However, I've been an adamant opponent to on-TV streaming software due to the lack of HDMI 2.1's eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel), which supports formats such as Dolby Atmos. Right now, if you're looking for good audio quality, I still recommend standalone devices. (Keep in mind that HDMI 2.1 will also require an HDMI 2.1-compatible receiver.)

 

[tential]

Exactly my case too. I use a 4k 40" monitor and it's about as big as I want for my desk. I would love to see the same tech as this 65-incher come down to the 35-40" monitors.




I see where you're coming from, I just never thought there were that many HTPC-type gamers. I'm probably looking through my own narrow lens but 95% of the games I play work better with a keyboard and mouse so the couch experience is few and far between.

For the couch gamer though, I can see where this would be an awesome monitor (outside the inevitable price).

It's definitely not huge, but I'm a huge Kodi/xbmc/avsforum user so I know there is a market. And with the Xbox one x being freesync compatible, we basically are pushing monitor specs into the TV realm anyway. Which is good for us, because lots of tvs are unnecessarily gimped.

There is no reason why we should have lower standards for a display just because it sits in a living room.

Ideally, I'd even want freesync and gsync projector options. I'm sure they'll be coming soon enough though give it a couple of years.

Oled adaptive sync high refresh rate display or your size choice coming soon....

 

[tential]

This sounds pretty interesting and I think I'd like one of these. What are we guessing on price? I'm guessing $3500-$4000US?

Lol, at least. That's probably the sale price. Probably $5k-7k.

Its a start though and the freesync versions will be far cheaper I imagine. The Wasabi mango was around $1500 I think for a 55 inch so I imagine the freesync version will be $3k.

Honestly won't be surprised if I saw it listed at $10k to start. Dead serious.


Edit :
Pc gaming to me shines in that you can do anything with a PC. That's the excitement. You can use it as a small tablet, compute stick, laptop, 2 in 1, htpc, etc. This just allows the PC to its full potential in more ways.
I don't use the term TV personally since I don't understand why you'd say it's a TV. It's a display. "tvs" are just gimped displays. Let's unlock that, get high refresh, low input lag, amazing color reproduction. I don't care about the feature, give me performance I'm a PC user.

Also, there is a large contingent of console gamers forced to use smaller PC monitors to get the best performance because there aren't larger displays available to them with high performance. It just fleshes out the line although as carfax points out there are huge holes in the gsync lineup.... Massive....

Edit : probably makes more sense if I clarify that I've never used my PC at a desk until like last year. This year is the first year in 5+ years I have a PC at an actual serious desk. Pcs can be used anywhere. I usually use my PC like an htpc setup.

 

[Charlie22911]

This thing doesn’t have a tuner but that’s okay with me, I haven’t used one since my little 11 inch COBY CRT TV when I was a kid.

I am looking forward to input latency tests on these, if they make a OLED/MicroLED version in the next few years I’ll finally ditch my trusty old final generation Panasonic plasma.

 

[Fir]

Way too big for 4K. Should be 8K at that size.

 

[Charlie22911]

Way too big for 4K. Should be 8K at that size.

You can’t apply a blanket statement like that without defining seating distance.

According to: https://www.crutchfield.com/S-iwp7YwbEyCj/learn/learningcenter/home/TV_placement.html

4k @ 65” optimal seating distance is around five and a half to eight feet, at 8k optimal distance would be roughly half that. Either your name is Stretch Armstrong or you are a bird of prey IMO.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Love this, but will need to see final display quality and cost. Plus with adaptive sync coming to HDMI (it is, right?), might make the issue more moot.

Wasn't AMD talking about getting Freesync in TVs...like 3 years ago? Did that get shelved since there was movement for adaptive sync as part of the HDMI spec?

I'm a little surprised they aren't pushing a big RGB ambient lighting (or maybe integrate one of those projectors - like Razer's Project Arianna or Microsoft's Illumiroom).

 

[Charlie22911]

Variable refresh was announced for the HDMI 2.1 specification.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12095/hdmi-21-specification-released

The new HDMI 2.1 standard also canonizes variable refresh into an official HDMI standard. This has grown from AMD's previous efforts in the field, where the company added FreeSync variable refresh to HDMI as a proprietary extension. As we've seen in FreeSync and G-Sync over the last few years, variable refresh technology eliminates tearing and greatly reduces stuttering, allowing for smoother gameplay. The addition of variable refresh to the official HDMI standard means that the benefits of the technology can now be brought to a much wider range of products and content.

As for a FreeSync competitor to this announced TV, I can’t imagine there is anything stopping AMD from a collaborative effort of their own.

 

[Fir]

You can’t apply a blanket statement like that without defining seating distance.

According to: https://www.crutchfield.com/S-iwp7YwbEyCj/learn/learningcenter/home/TV_placement.html

4k @ 65” optimal seating distance is around five and a half to eight feet, at 8k optimal distance would be roughly half that. Either your name is Stretch Armstrong or you are a bird of prey IMO.

For me this PPI is way too low. My 70" 4K TV has quite discernable pixels at 3-4'. I prefer a PPI of 100 min for any monitor. 200+ is really the way to go. Seeing how this is marketed as a gaming monitor it may be OK. I'm 20/15 close so I can easily see the fleas, er, pixels on most displays. They try to cover that up with clear type or font smoothing and that just makes it a mess. Of course with display scaling there's no choice and I'm OK with that.

And 8K is the future!
A display mounted on the wall with 8 1080 windows would be great for trading, for example.

 

[Charlie22911]

For me this PPI is way too low. My 70" 4K TV has quite discernable pixels at 3-4'. I prefer a PPI of 100 min for any monitor. 200+ is really the way to go. Seeing how this is marketed as a gaming monitor it may be OK. I'm 20/15 close so I can easily see the fleas, er, pixels on most displays. They try to cover that up with clear type or font smoothing and that just makes it a mess. Of course with display scaling there's no choice and I'm OK with that.

And 8K is the future!
A display mounted on the wall with 8 1080 windows would be great for trading, for example.

I’m picking up what you are putting down now, though I don’t see how you can use such a large display at such a close distance.

In regard to the BFGD, it looks like its HDR implementation utilizes backlighting zones. In Linus’s video he demonstrates somewhat of a worst case where the mouse cursor and game menus have a strange halo against a black or dark backgrounds.
I’ve never been sold on backlight trickery like this, and if it’s anything like Samsung’s backlight nonsense I’ll pass.

 

[PeterScott]

I’ve never been sold on backlight trickery like this, and if it’s anything like Samsung’s backlight nonsense I’ll pass.

Given the Specs this is almost certainly Samsungs top QLED TV.

 

[PeterScott]

I saw this on the amd subreddit as a wish for amd to get this for freesync.
Today I see this article. I won't lie, I got a little too excited.

If amd doesn't have a competitor soon, it'll be an easy decision!

IMO, since NVidia went to Samsung for this, AMD should go to LG and get a 55" OLED tweaked in similar manner (120Hz + freesync) but priced at a couple thousand less.

IMO that would be a real coup.

OLED is better than FALD backlighting and sizing down a bit could make it a lot more affordable.

 

[tential]

For me this PPI is way too low. My 70" 4K TV has quite discernable pixels at 3-4'. I prefer a PPI of 100 min for any monitor. 200+ is really the way to go. Seeing how this is marketed as a gaming monitor it may be OK. I'm 20/15 close so I can easily see the fleas, er, pixels on most displays. They try to cover that up with clear type or font smoothing and that just makes it a mess. Of course with display scaling there's no choice and I'm OK with that.

And 8K is the future!

A display mounted on the wall with 8 1080 windows would be great for trading, for example.

I have a 1080p 70 inch display. Even that is ok to use. I understand the need for more pixels, believe me, but I also think the idea of large displays being unusable is just far overblown.

I don't understand why people want large displays to be worse either.

I’m picking up what you are putting down now, though I don’t see how you can use such a large display at such a close distance.

In regard to the BFGD, it looks like its HDR implementation utilizes backlighting zones. In Linus’s video he demonstrates somewhat of a worst case where the mouse cursor and game menus have a strange halo against a black or dark backgrounds.
I’ve never been sold on backlight trickery like this, and if it’s anything like Samsung’s backlight nonsense I’ll pass.

You just do it. It's not hard. I used my 70 inch display for YEARS as my primary display. Got it back in 2010 or so. I just got my first desk in 10 years (longer than I thought), so I understand now why lots of users here are confused. If I used my PC primarily at a desk every day, I wouldn't understand this product. But I mean, for casual web browsing and console style gaming, a large display is perfectly fine.
At most, I have to wear my glasses sometimes, or zoom in on some smaller web pages.

I mean, the alternative is to get a WORSE display with more input lag, lower refresh rate, etc. Why would any PC user advocate for worse displays...

Also, many "console" gamers care about having low input lag and game on monitors and would want a larger low input high refresh displays. It sucks being forced to use a 27 inch tiny monitor just so you're not hobbled by your display while gaming. No one in this thread has explained why you should have to suffer lower performance on a display, just because its larger. Why should I want MORE input lag just because its a big screen display?

IMO, since NVidia went to Samsung for this, AMD should go to LG and get a 55" OLED tweaked in similar manner (120Hz + freesync) but priced at a couple thousand less.

IMO that would be a real coup.

OLED is better than FALD backlighting and sizing down a bit could make it a lot more affordable.

Like I said, I saw the requests for it on the AMD subreddit before I saw this.

If AMD is smart, they'll go to EVERYONE and get freeesync in as many TVs as possible. If they can do the same pervasiveness on the TV side as the monitor, AMD will own a LOT of the HTPC market, except the high end of course. It's probably a resource thing. AMD should have been first to market but they just don't have the personal resources I imagine to make it happen.

 

[Charlie22911]

You just do it. It's not hard. I used my 70 inch display for YEARS as my primary display. Got it back in 2010 or so. I just got my first desk in 10 years (longer than I thought), so I understand now why lots of users here are confused. If I used my PC primarily at a desk every day, I wouldn't understand this product. But I mean, for casual web browsing and console style gaming, a large display is perfectly fine.
At most, I have to wear my glasses sometimes, or zoom in on some smaller web pages.

I mean, the alternative is to get a WORSE display with more input lag, lower refresh rate, etc. Why would any PC user advocate for worse displays...

Also, many "console" gamers care about having low input lag and game on monitors and would want a larger low input high refresh displays. It sucks being forced to use a 27 inch tiny monitor just so you're not hobbled by your display while gaming. No one in this thread has explained why you should have to suffer lower performance on a display, just because its larger. Why should I want MORE input lag just because its a big screen display?

Even on my 34” ultrawide I find myself physically moving my head to look around the display, which is why I can’t imagine using something so big so close. If someone else can that’s cool, but I don’t think I’m in the minority.
I’ve long been very frustrated with input lag though, as I’ve said plenty of times. Mostly because F-Zero GX is a game I enjoy and even a handful of milisends lag in that game will trash your gameplay. Not sure why you’d think I’d be ok with lag though, it’s the one display metric I cannot be lenient with; I’d accept a dead pixel before input lag.

 

[PeterScott]

Even on my 34” ultrawide I find myself physically moving my head to look around the display, which is why I can’t imagine using something so big so close. If someone else can that’s cool, but I don’t think I’m in the minority.
I’ve long been very frustrated with input lag though, as I’ve said plenty of times. Mostly because F-Zero GX is a game I enjoy and even a handful of milisends lag in that game will trash your gameplay. Not sure why you’d think I’d be ok with lag though, it’s the one display metric I cannot be lenient with; I’d accept a dead pixel before input lag.

Who says you have to put the 65" on your desk. IMO this is a product for people with Living Room PCs.