[tftcentral] Asus, Acer and HP Announce 65" Big Format Gaming Displays with G-sync

[Headfoot]

They make combo "lapboards" which are Keyboards with a built in mousepad, specificalyl for KB+M gaming on a couch on an HDTV or other large screen: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-lapboard/. That or controller, i'd never play an FPS or strategy game on controller but action games or some casual games work great on them

 

[PeterScott]

Because it's an OLED TV. The KS9800 was great, but even the article you linked notes that the Display Quality is top of its class:

And that TV is $4,300 on Newegg. So yeah, not only are you adding the baseline, the Gsync Tax, and the NVIDIA Shield Android Box, and the subjective items like the niche factor, but then subtracting the subjective value of the objective fact that the same amount of money can buy you a much higher quality panel, then yeah, it's not nearly cut and dry on pricing as you're making it out to be. Not to mention there's absolutely no indicator that any of these panels are going to be anywhere near the quality of something like the KS9800, let alone an OLED Panel.

We'll know more when they're on the street, but the sharp curve of halo product pricing makes me thing you'll be paying for a $2,500 TV tops with the rest being NVIDIA gravy.

I prefer OLED as well, but I am just pointing out the kind of pricing that already exists for a TV with these specs. Throw NVidia Tax on top of that, and you have a $5K set (minimum).

I have said from the beginning. AMD should just work with LG to get Freesync working on OLED TVs, and on the 55" model as well. That would totally deflate these BFG Nvidia TVs, oferring a better experience at a lower price.

 

[Madpacket]

I think the biggest win here is the reduced input lag which is one step closer to that connected feeling that's largely lost with modern HTPC displays. I'm dating myself here but playing classic games on a CRT TV just feels proper. I've tried almost every type of LCD/LED panel and still can't stand playing classic games on them. Everything from 8-bit platform games like Ninja Gaiden or Mega Man 2 up to around PS1/2 era games (Wipeout XL) work so much better on low input displays like CRT's. Emulation is very good but the classic games were never meant to be played on displays with 25+ms of input latency so hopefully, these displays reduce input lag to under 10ms and perhaps even offer some sort of strobing to improve clarity in motion. Ultimately, this reduction in latency opens up to a much wider gaming catalogue.

 

[Headfoot]

I think the biggest win here is the reduced input lag which is one step closer to that connected feeling that's largely lost with modern HTPC displays. I'm dating myself here but playing classic games on a CRT TV just feels proper. I've tried almost every type of LCD/LED panel and still can't stand playing classic games on them. Everything from 8-bit platform games like Ninja Gaiden or Mega Man 2 up to around PS1/2 era games (Wipeout XL) work so much better on low input displays like CRT's. Emulation is very good but the classic games were never meant to be played on displays with 25+ms of input latency so hopefully, these displays reduce input lag to under 10ms and perhaps even offer some sort of strobing to improve clarity in motion. Ultimately, this reduction in latency opens up to a much wider gaming catalogue.

Great article on a very similar topic: https://danluu.com/input-lag/. As we've built up layers of abstraction, even super simple tasks like seeing keyboard input appear on the screen take longer.

The Apple II from 1983 still has the lowest keyboard-to-screen latency for typing in his tests

 

[Madpacket]

Great article on a very similar topic: https://danluu.com/input-lag/. As we've built up layers of abstraction, even super simple tasks like seeing keyboard input appear on the screen take longer.

The Apple II from 1983 still has the lowest keyboard-to-screen latency for typing in his tests

That gave me a lot of ideas, thanks for sharing. We need more comprehensive benchmarks that include latency tests for multiple devices.

 

[Madpacket]

FWIW it looks like LG was already prototyping 120Hz 4K OLED displays back in 2016. They call it HFR or High Frame Rate. Given the pixel response of OLED can be as low as 0.01ms, that would be much preferred over some Samsung QDOT VA panel provided LG also focuses on keeping input latency low. Not sure if g/f sync work with OLED displays though?

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473185035

 

[PeterScott]

FWIW it looks like LG was already prototyping 120Hz 4K OLED displays back in 2016. They call it HFR or High Frame Rate. Given the pixel response of OLED can be as low as 0.01ms, that would be much preferred over some Samsung QDOT VA panel provided LG also focuses on keeping input latency low. Not sure if g/f sync work with OLED displays though?

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473185035

Yeah, OLED has no problem scanning at 120Hz, but 2017 OLED inputs only accepts 120Hz at 1080p, or 60Hz at 4K.

These NVidia displays add Display Port to get 120Hz 4K.

Gsync isn't going to be on anything not paying the NVidia tax.

Freesync is possible, but it is protocol that needs to be supported.

So ideally, LG could be convinced to add Display Port and Freesync support.

The cost should be minimal and it would be a great display device for gaming in a Large Screen, and they would be great for Xbox 1X, which IIRC also supports Freesync.