Thank God Almighty!!!The ORIGINAL nVidia BRAND NEW 43.45DETs are here!!!

[Mk1980]

Hi, I have tested these 43.45 from Nvidia, and I get 20fps in some scenes in Unreal 2 with 1024x768, on Athlon xp 2400+ overclocked to 12x185 aka 2220mhz, xp 2750+, and 1GB DDR 333mhz memory Cl2, win xp., on ti4200 8x 128mb from Gainward 295\605, and with detonators 42.86 I have get in same scenes 50-60fps, it is significantly slower, SLOWER in Unreal 2, so damn slow, 42.86 are best for me

 

[StanTheMan]

Nvidia is caught cheating with the new driver!!!!
geez, I'm a die hard nvidia fan, but this one makes me disappointed. go to this korean website to see the benchmark of the new driver (43.45):
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/Review/Review_Content.asp?board_idx=146

and then see, that the dirvers that perform best in the 2003 nature games somehow does not display all the images it should be (see the light behind the tree. To see the picture comparison directly go to:

http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/tip&tech/4345tech/iq/game4.jpg

 

[StanTheMan]

now i'm sure that 3dmark is actually a valid benchmark, as long as the graphic company does not produce driver that "corrupts" bits and pieces of the image quality. maybe when they release what so called "optimized driver for 3dmark 2003", they tr to test if ppl caught them cheating, but they didn't. so they finally released a final driver and incorporating the "cheat"
btw, i couldnt tried it myself as i only own g4Ti.

 

[Bopple]

Originally posted by: Mem

I`m not clear on what point you`re trying to make since I never made any comments about the R300 ,I don`t know how the R300 came into the subject being this thread is about 43.45 drivers and not ATI ,anyway I don`t use FSAA or care about benchmarks,I only upgrade my drivers to official drivers on Nvidia`s website.

Main things I look for are stability and image quality (on my current card),as a gamer running games without problems is more important to me then 3dmark or few extra FPS here or there.


I guess you`ve never seen some crappy monitors and are trying to say all monitors are created equal .
Btw I for one cannot say anything bad or have said anything bad about the R300 image quality.
I`ve said all I`m going to say ,back to gaming online.

God. Comparison with R300 kicked in for the matter of DX9 support for we were talking about 43.45 and FP32 issue.
Now you claim you were talking about your own private vga and gaming. That's good.
However, why you commented about things like IQ in general concept or DX9 detonator getting whql if you were only talking about your gaming?
You are making the whole course of discussion pointless with a few words.

And about monitors, brands, and mobos.
Oh god. It's apparent you don't know what you're talking about or you are deliberately dodging the point.
They are to do with signal purity or noise or so on, so they can affect IQ(1) in that sense.
But they cannot affect the original 3D objects that vga create. Hence they cannot affect IQ(2) in that sense.
We were not talking about IQ(1), for it doesn't have anything to do with things like texture, shader, aa/af, and so on.
And as i said, in standardized situation, IQ(1) differences like blurriness, signal noise, compatibility issues and so on are negligeble.
Yet, you persist on IQ(1). Again you make the discussion even more pointless.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: StanTheMan
now i'm sure that 3dmark is actually a valid benchmark, as long as the graphic company does not produce driver that "corrupts" bits and pieces of the image quality. maybe when they release what so called "optimized driver for 3dmark 2003", they tr to test if ppl caught them cheating, but they didn't. so they finally released a final driver and incorporating the "cheat"
btw, i couldnt tried it myself as i only own g4Ti.

3dmark03 a valid benchmark? Yeah sure it is, just like 3dmark 2001 was such a good indicator of dx8 performance, not!

 

[Mem]

Now you claim you were talking about your own private vga and gaming. That's good.
However, why you commented about things like IQ in general concept or DX9 detonator getting whql if you were only talking about your gaming?

Bopple,

Are you trying to start a stupid argument over drivers and image quality,did somebody insult you?


I was talking about image quality in general (desktop image quality )and not 3D specific.The DX9 FP32 problem I`m sure(as I already have stated) , will be fixed by Nvidia soon,how many people have a Nvidia DX9 card and DX9 game,(3DMark benchmarks don`t count in my books)I rest my case.

 

[Bopple]

Originally posted by: Mem

Bopple,

Are you trying to start a stupid argument over drivers and image quality,did somebody insult you?


I was talking about image quality in general (desktop image quality )and not 3D specific.The DX9 FP32 problem I`m sure(as I already have stated) , will be fixed by Nvidia soon,how many people have a Nvidia DX9 card and DX9 game,(3DMark benchmarks don`t count in my books)I rest my case.

Bah. You're so cunning.
It's you who didn't see the exact point, bringing up general IQ and arguing my point while we were talking about 3D image quality.
And now you're implying i'm the one mistaken. Yes, yes. It's all my fault not being out of point.

And for the whql driver, i said we must wait to see if it would get both FP32 and speed altogether.
For that so many months, they've been unable to do so. You're too quick to conclude they will as if it were a matter of fact.

PS) I'm not insulted, but annoyed.
I say A. Then you come with A' which is irrelevant with A actually and argue.
So I say it's not relevant and say B to show why it isn't relevant.
Then You say B' which is not really relevant with B.
It keeps going on. And finally you saying i'm the one who is mistaken.

 

[Mem]

Bah. You're so cunning.
It's you who didn't see the exact point, bringing up general IQ and arguing my point while we were talking about 3D image quality.
And now you're implying i'm the one mistaken. Yes, yes. It's all my fault not being out of point.

And for the whql driver, i said we must wait to see if it would get both FP32 and speed altogether.
For that so many months, they've been unable to do so. You're too quick to conclude they will as if it were a matter of fact

I made a few replies one was about WHQL drivers etc,the other was about image quality in general which was not about 43.45 or any specific video card,the DX9 FP32 problem will have to be fixed by Nvidia sooner or later,also remember you`ve the NV35 down the road so it`ll be interesting to see if it`s fixed by then.

Yes nobody here can guarantee Nvidia will have the DX9 FP32 fixed by their next driver release,like all things we can only comment and guess on the outcome.
I `ll make some minor comments on the 43.45 drivers,one is they`re stable in everything I`ve thrown at them and two the image quality of these drivers in general is good IMHO, so they`re staying on my system for the time being at least.

 

[Bopple]

This was my post.

PS3) And i don't get it why ppl say the self-contradictory things at the same time.
When some point out NV30 performance is not on par with R300 on the same IQ level, others say about future gaming.
Then the former point out again that NV30 doesn't have a bright future considering horrible shaders, the latter say it doesn't matter at this time.

Originally posted by: Mem
Image quality is subjective and other hardware like the monitor used will give different results.I`ve seen ATI,Nvidia on my monitor and too be honest there was no difference for the resolution I use,I`ve also seen Matrox image quality on my friends PC and it was very good(best you can get IMHO) however it was not a massive improvement.

There`s so many things that effect image quality,like quality of the monitor used, your eyes,drivers,brand of card (especially with Nvidia models),resolution and even the refresh rate used can effect image quality and last whether a clean or dusty monitor.

I currently own a humble Leadtek GF2 Ti and have been very happy with my image quality,and yes I can tell the difference between different Nvidia drivers image quality wise.

As for NV30,I`ve not seen it in action so can`t comment on the image quality,however I would be more interested to see if the different brands NV30 wise will have the same IQ standard between the NV30 brands,I guess only time will tell.

This is what you countered my post with. I was talking about 3D IQ, and it's too apparent.
But you were saying general IQ things to counter my post. That was totally out of point.
It's you who gone astray, not I.

And for NV35 matter. Yes. NV35 seems promising with those rumors. Though i'm a bit skeptical considering how promising NV30 seemed initially.
But then again, i want ppl to know NV30 currently defected. So it's a wise choice to buy R300 series over NV30.
Or at least, better wait for NV35 for it sounds not defected and not that far away if you don't want ATi stuffs.
And i want you guys who backing up NV30 without any good reason, to stop doing that.
You might be making innocent victims into buying NV30 with your nv fanboyism.

 

[Mem]

And for NV35 matter. Yes. NV35 seems promising with those rumors. Though i'm a bit skeptical considering how promising NV30 seemed initially.
But then again, i want ppl to know NV30 currently defected. So it's a wise choice to buy R300 series over NV30.
Or at least, better wait for NV35 for it sounds not defected and not that far away if you don't want ATi stuffs.
And i want you guys who backing up NV30 without any good reason, to stop doing that

Lol... you forget one big important thing,if they want to buy a NV30 or even a S3 virge card,it`s their money their choice,whatever you or I think of the NV30 or any other card doesn`t even come into it.FYI I`m not buying the NV30 or a big fan of it but then it`s my money my choice .

It seems you are trying to continue a pointless argument,so this will be my final post in this thread.

btw I actually quoted

PS3) And i don't get it why ppl say the self-contradictory things at the same time.

not the whole thing for that reason.

 

[Bopple]

Originally posted by: Mem

Lol... you forget one big important thing,if they want to buy a NV30 or even a S3 virge card,it`s their money their choice,whatever you or I think of the NV30 or any other card doesn`t even come into it.FYI I`m not buying the NV30 or a big fan of it but then it`s my money my choice .

It seems you are trying to continue a pointless argument,so this will be my final post in this thread.

Who said it's not their money? But that doesn't change the fact that's wasted for your fanboyism.
Only justifiable case is when ppl being lucky enough not to be misled with false information given by ppl like you.
Pointless argument? Isn't it rather you're out of your sophistry?

btw I actually quoted

PS3) And i don't get it why ppl say the self-contradictory things at the same time.

not the whole thing for that reason.

LOL... How convenient and coward excuse it is.

 

[ultimatebob]

Anyway, they seem to be pretty good drivers. I finally cracked the 12000 barrier with 3DMark 2001!

 

[JellyBaby]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Anyway, they seem to be pretty good drivers. I finally cracked the 12000 barrier with 3DMark 2001!

You go girl!