Thank god the NFL has a salary cap and teams don't use guaranteed contracts

[lupi]

Because when stupid is allowed it will grow unabated.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14580503/chris-davis-agrees-deal-remain-baltimore-orioles


Davis will receive a $17 million annual salary from 2016 to 2022 and will receive additional annual payments through 2037, when he will be 51

 

[edro]

It amazes me how they can afford such contracts when no one watches baseball anymore.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

It amazes me how they can afford such contracts when no one watches baseball anymore.

What's really amazing is that nobody ever seems to learn from this idiocy. No matter how many of these contracts for aging sluggers like A-Rod and Pujols go belly up, there will be more teams lining up to prove that they can be stupid too. Davis has peaked and from here on in his production will be expected to drop every year. And it can drop precipitously depending on how deeply he was into the controlled substances to get here.

 

[KeithTalent]

Yeah, I do not understand it at all. Apparently the larger markets make an insane amount of money and I guess with revenue sharing it gets distributed to these smaller franchises? That union did a great job; the fact the Mets were still paying some dude a bunch of money every year, even though he had retired like several years ago is crazy.

KT

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Yeah, I do not understand it at all. Apparently the larger markets make an insane amount of money and I guess with revenue sharing it gets distributed to these smaller franchises? That union did a great job; the fact the Mets were still paying some dude a bunch of money every year, even though he had retired like several years ago is crazy.

KT

Bobby Bonilla, the poster-boy for bad contracts before A-Rod came along and stole the title from him. From Wiki...

From 1992 to 1994, Bonilla was the highest paid player in the league, earning more than $6 million per year. Bonilla is currently being paid approximately $1.19 million by the New York Mets each year. This was part of a deal made when the Mets released Bonilla before the 2000 season while still owing him $5.9 million for the final year of his contract. The deal expires in 2035, at which point Bonilla will have been paid $29.8 million for a season in which he did not even play for the Mets.

 

[KeithTalent]

Bobby Bonilla, the poster-boy for bad contracts before A-Rod came along and stole the title from him. From Wiki...

From 1992 to 1994, Bonilla was the highest paid player in the league, earning more than $6 million per year. Bonilla is currently being paid approximately $1.19 million by the New York Mets each year. This was part of a deal made when the Mets released Bonilla before the 2000 season while still owing him $5.9 million for the final year of his contract. The deal expires in 2035, at which point Bonilla will have been paid $29.8 million for a season in which he did not even play for the Mets.

That's the guy! Completely insane. Makes me wonder how that league even still exists, yet it does...

KT

 

[paperfist]

It amazes me how they can afford such contracts when no one watches baseball anymore.

Baseball attendance has been on the rise for several years now.

Baltimore hasn't spent any money in several years.

Therefore they can afford his salary... For now until the circle of over spending catches up to them again and they have to field a basement finishing team for decades.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Yeah, but the NFL is slowly moving in the direction of fully guaranteed contracts. The money is there. This years salary cap is expected to be around $154M and it just keeps growing and growing each year as the NFL's revenues go up.

I expect guaranteed contracts will be a big issue for the next NFL CBA. If the NFLPA doesn't get them, they'll get some massive financial concession from the owners in return.

 

[paperfist]

Yeah, I do not understand it at all. Apparently the larger markets make an insane amount of money and I guess with revenue sharing it gets distributed to these smaller franchises? That union did a great job; the fact the Mets were still paying some dude a bunch of money every year, even though he had retired like several years ago is crazy.

KT

Yes there's revenue sharing which all team participate in, then luxury tax where. The highest payroll teams send money to the poor ones and then there's the big TV contract.

Bonilla's money was deferred which isn't uncommon.

 

[JS80]

Baseball attendance has been on the rise for several years now.

Baltimore hasn't spent any money in several years.

Therefore they can afford his salary... For now until the circle of over spending catches up to them again and they have to field a basement finishing team for decades.

The fact that a team can afford a salary should have nothing to do with the ending contract terms.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Oh no... I was worried about Davis since he declined their initial offer.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Bonilla's money was deferred which isn't uncommon.

Right but it's the poster example of an insane contract where he didn't play at all and is getting paid handsomely well into his old age.

 

[paperfist]

Right but it's the poster example of an insane contract where he didn't play at all and is getting paid handsomely well into his old age.

The fact that a team can afford a salary should have nothing to do with the ending contract terms.

Eh it's baseball, when teams have trouble keeping or attracting talent they spend like it's going out of style.

So Baltimore has sucked for a long time (ok last few years much better) so if they didn't sign Davis who gives their lineup some punch and the fans something to watch they'd crawl back into last place.

It's never going to change until they can't actually afford to pay these absurd amounts. And even then it might not go away because there's even dumber teams out there that will take your salary dump players.

 

[Accord99]

The NFL does do huge signing bonuses, which essentially converts a lot of the contract money into guaranteed money. But you also have MLB rosters that are much smaller than NFL rosters while being only about 20% smaller in total revenues.

I can't wait to see the crazy contracts when the new TV contracts kick in for the NBA with their 15 man rosters.

 

[TwiceOver]

Baseball attendance has been on the rise for several years now.

That's because it is the only sport where the audience can stare at their phone screens and miss nothing.

 

[lxskllr]

That's because it is the only sport where the audience can stare at their phone screens and miss nothing.

:^D

 

[akugami]

Baseball, and to a lesser degree basketball, seems to be where all the dumb contracts exists.

With that said, I'm not a fan of fully guaranteed contracts but I'm not a fan of the half-assed contracts the NFL currently gives out. It has long been my opinion that all sports contracts should be guaranteed for the veteran's minimum or half of the contract, whichever is higher. This gives protection to the players from owners cancelling the contract, such as what happens in the NFL.

It also protects the owner from their own stupidity for sports where contracts are fully guaranteed. Not that I really care about that, since I'm more concerned with fairness to the players. But for fans of teams with dumb management, hopefully it allows them to turn the page faster and rebuild their team.

Just as a note, there is no way in hell I believe that baseball will move to only guaranteeing half the contracts unless the baseball players union goes full retard. I do hope the NFL players union fights for better guarantees on their contracts cause the NFL can sign you to a $50 million contract and fire you at any time. The only thing you get is your signing bonus. And yeah...first world problems.

EDIT: Fix typo, minor edits for clarity.

 

[sdifox]

That's because it is the only sport where the audience can stare at their phone screens and miss nothing.

Unlike NFL where players stand around waiting for commercials to end.

 

[Jimzz]

Well then what's the point of a contract if one side has all the power like the NFL?

"Here's a contract and by contract I mean you can't leave or make more else where and I can cut you or ask you to take a pay cut at anytime if I feel like it."

 

[Dr. Detroit]

That's because it is the only sport where the audience can stare at their phone screens and miss nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_pxcoFAvQ

 

[paperfist]

That's because it is the only sport where the audience can stare at their phone screens and miss nothing.

Unless you consider history nothing. Cause unlike the other sports there's a very good chance you'll witness something never before seen even in a sport this old

 

[TwiceOver]

Unless you consider history nothing. Cause unlike the other sports there's a very good chance you'll witness something never before seen even in a sport this old

I don't know what that would be. Look, I know that you can boil an NFL game down to about 11 minutes. If you did the same thing with a baseball game you'd end up with like 3 plays on average or about 15 seconds. That's a lot of standing around, for very little return.

EDIT: I don't like baseball, that's apparent. I'm not shitting on someone else's opinion of the sport. Love it, hate it, whatever makes a person happy. Clearly there are enough people watching it to keep the sport alive. I certainly wouldn't call it "America's Past Time" anymore.

 

[stlc8tr]

Bobby Bonilla, the poster-boy for bad contracts before A-Rod came along and stole the title from him. From Wiki...

Not sure why you think ARod's contract is bad. It's not a fantastic value but he's provided good production for all of those millions.

For $297M, he's produced 55 WAR or about $5.5 million per WAR, which is inline with expectations.

 

[Retro Rob]

What's really amazing is that nobody ever seems to learn from this idiocy. No matter how many of these contracts for aging sluggers like A-Rod and Pujols go belly up, there will be more teams lining up to prove that they can be stupid too. Davis has peaked and from here on in his production will be expected to drop every year. And it can drop precipitously depending on how deeply he was into the controlled substances to get here.

Tigers got sucked into something similar with Miggy. Though he is still regarded the best hitter in baseball, and I think he batted about .340 for the season, he's over 30, and is in his second (??) year of a 10 year, 200+ million dollar extension.

I predict that at least half that will be dead money.

 

[KeithP]

Who cares what they do? It is their business, let them run the way they see fit. If you don't like how they do it, don't consume their product.

Next.

-KeithP