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Eli

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Hmm owned GM cars exclusively since well all my life. Never once had any serious failure. Almost all repairs were just maintenance on wearable parts. Drove every one of the vehicles at least 100,000 miles. Just sold our 98 Malibu with 160k on it and it running like a top. Have a teenager driving our 2001 Montana with 150k on it. Again running like a top. Just bought a GMC Terrain and I have to say this thing kicks the crap out of every other small crossover that I looked at and I looked a bunch of them both domestic and imports. Not one of the others could top this guy in my view. The market seems to agree. Dealers have been selling these vehicles as fast as GM can make them. Plant is now running 3 shifts around the clock and you still are only seeing a few on the lots.


Jesus, what the hell is that abomination? I've never seen one before. That thing makes the Element look gorgeous.

the thing is you're never going to have powertrain problems with a Honda or Toyota. By the time you do the car is long gone.

I beg to differ, and I'm an import fan. Toyota, maybe. Honda... not so much. Honda is known for weak transmissions....

I had to replace the manual transmission in my '01 Insight at 100,000 miles - input shaft bearing. Wasn't expecting that when I bought it at 86k...

We just had the automatic transmission in my fiancee's '01 Civic rebuilt at 150,000 miles..

I'm actually very disappointed with Honda at the moment.... And yes, I'm aware that these two incidents are anecdotal at best.. However, in the case of the '01 Civic, it is a known problem. Apparently it is common with the Insight transmissions.. The Insight transmission also has problems with a weak 2nd synchro. Sucks.
 
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SparkyJJO

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Only year 3 of ownership...a GM vehicle is usually good for just about that before the transmission falls off.



My 98 is running just fine on its original transmission. 144K miles, 4spd auto.

I think you're confused with Chrysler, their transmissions are the ones that grenade. Or Honda's :awe:
 

TruePaige

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My 98 is running just fine on its original transmission. 144K miles, 4spd auto.

I think you're confused with Chrysler, their transmissions are the ones that grenade. Or Honda's :awe:

I've got two friends that match those two statements within the last year..hah.

Dodge and Honda.

I felt bad because if her Dodge was a GM it would have been covered (75k miles).

His Honda was at 110k or so.

Hers is repairable, about $700-900. Solenoid thing.
 

CPA

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Only year 3 of ownership...a GM vehicle is usually good for just about that before the transmission falls off.


See my 04 Avalanche who had the transmission blowout on a highway onramp in Dallas in 2008.......we live in Houston.
 

Fritzo

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Jesus, what the hell is that abomination? I've never seen one before. That thing makes the Element look gorgeous.



I beg to differ, and I'm an import fan. Toyota, maybe. Honda... not so much. Honda is known for weak transmissions....

I had to replace the manual transmission in my '01 Insight at 100,000 miles - input shaft bearing. Wasn't expecting that when I bought it at 86k...

We just had the automatic transmission in my fiancee's '01 Civic rebuilt at 150,000 miles..

I'm actually very disappointed with Honda at the moment.... And yes, I'm aware that these two incidents are anecdotal at best.. However, in the case of the '01 Civic, it is a known problem. Apparently it is common with the Insight transmissions.. The Insight transmission also has problems with a weak 2nd synchro. Sucks.

You know the forum rules- if you say someone's car is ugly, you must post a pic of what you are driving for peer review.
 

joeboggs

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Your financing arm gave me 72 months at 0% (always take 0% for as long as available!).

If the choice is 0% or no incentive, then sure, but if it's 0% or a rebate, the rebate is quite often better than the 0%.

$20,000 car
72mo @0% or $3000 rebate w/72mo @4%
$3000 rebate saves $600 over the life of the loan

just as a quick example
 

TruePaige

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If the choice is 0% or no incentive, then sure, but if it's 0% or a rebate, the rebate is quite often better than the 0%.

$20,000 car
72mo @0% or $3000 rebate w/72mo @4%
$3000 rebate saves $600 over the life of the loan

just as a quick example

When I ran those numbers it was actually just under $470 in savings. (22528.8)

At that amount I'd take the lower interest anyway for greater flexibility. But yeah, if the incentive is nice enough it's an obvious choice.
 

Eli

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You know the forum rules- if you say someone's car is ugly, you must post a pic of what you are driving for peer review.

I drive a 1st generation Insight. I assume everyone knows what they look like?

Not exactly known to be the best looking car around, but not rated anywhere near worst either. And I get 2.5x the gas mileage of that thing. Good enough for me. lol

That Terrain thing is just plain fugly though. At least the 1st gen Insight has a few nice lines on it.
 
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JechtShot

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Being a ASE Certified Master Technician, Honda's automatic transmissions have always been pretty bad. They had really good manual transmissions in the 90's but I don't know what the hell happened after Y2K came around. Just seemed like their transmissions weren't as reliable as they used to be. I had a 94 Accord EX 5-speed with like 410K miles (drove it back and forth across the US) and I would still be driving the damn thing if it didn't get stolen. I now have a 98 Accord LX 5-speed with like 220K miles (still going strong) and also an Acura Integra Type-R. I've never had major problems with any of them. I do like the F-150's though, I'll agree on that. I rented one for fun and loved the interior space . Although i found myself filling up more often than usual. Gas mileage wasn't too good .
 

TruePaige

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Being a ASE Certified Master Technician, Honda's automatic transmissions have always been pretty bad. They had really good manual transmissions in the 90's but I don't know what the hell happened after Y2K came around. Just seemed like their transmissions weren't as reliable as they used to be. I had a 94 Accord EX 5-speed with like 410K miles (drove it back and forth across the US) and I would still be driving the damn thing if it didn't get stolen. I now have a 98 Accord LX 5-speed with like 220K miles (still going strong) and also an Acura Integra Type-R. I've never had major problems with any of them. I do like the F-150's though, I'll agree on that. I rented one for fun and loved the interior space . Although i found myself filling up more often than usual. Gas mileage wasn't too good .

Who stole a car that (must of looked it somewhat) had 410k miles on it? Hah, that is kind of funny.
 

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I choose what all the mechanics I know choose as their new cars and unless its for work related hauling shit, they never buy chevy or ford. The only shops that love chevy or ford are the shops that primarily service those cars.
 

Meghan54

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Almost 90k on my 03 Element, not a single damn issue to speak of. Not one.


Well, I hope the hell so. Our '02 Blazer hadn't had any issues at 90K miles, either.

Of course, it just turned over 200K last month.

And it's had issues.......at 170K, the fuel pump needed replacing. At 185K, the alternator bearing began screaming.

Other than routine maintenance, those are the "horrible" issues I've had with owning a GM. At 200K miles.
 

shortylickens

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Well, I hope the hell so. Our '02 Blazer hadn't had any issues at 90K miles, either.

Of course, it just turned over 200K last month.

And it's had issues.......at 170K, the fuel pump needed replacing. At 185K, the alternator bearing began screaming.

Other than routine maintenance, those are the "horrible" issues I've had with owning a GM. At 200K miles.

Gee thats funny cuz my 2003 S-10 only has 45 thousand on it and I've had all kinds of issues. Why the fuck is mine such a hassle? I do all the required routine stuff.
 

NesuD

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The Terrain is the ugliest car by far. I cringe whenever I see one. I only laughed at the Aztec. The Terrain literally hurts.

Different but not at all ugly in the Aztec sense. Sales numbers prove the market agrees with me on that. I haven't yet met a single person that thought it was ugly.The majority like the styling but some it doesn't really appeal to. Still it's overall appeal is good as it sales number reflect. Hey if it doesn't appeal to you thats fine. Elements don't appeal to me. Still in its class you won't find better that a Terrain and that is based on what the reviewers say not what I say.
 

Meghan54

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Gee thats funny cuz my 2003 S-10 only has 45 thousand on it and I've had all kinds of issues. Why the fuck is mine such a hassle? I do all the required routine stuff.


Well, haven't done anything extra special at all....maybe God Himself touched our Blazer.

This is what's been done with it...every oil change is with synthetic oil. Trans changed three times, each time (twice flushed) with synthetic. Rear end lube changed three times, again filled with synthetic.

On its third set of tires, counting the OEM Uniroyal Laredo set it came with. Each set has lasted almost 100K before getting to 2/32-3/32" left.

Front end alignments....have had a total of 5. Almost ready to quit doing this because outside the first one, the rest had little to no adjustments done to the front end. (My brother, and ASE cert'd. mechanic of almost 30 years experience, is the one doing the alignments on a Bear something-or-other alignment machine at his shop.)

Coolant changed every couple of years....

Air filters as needed....probably each year. Spark plugs last almost 100K as advertised by GM. But the truck hates anything being in it other than the AC Delcos it came with. I've tried a few other brands like NGK, but it hates them and starts to have misses, runs like junk if anything but AC Delco plugs are in it.

Same goes with the plug wires. AC Delcos are about the only brand that seems to work with it. Again, tried a few other brands over the years, but had to keep going back to Delco brand wires to get it to run smoothly without issues. Especially hate that because the Delco wires are the most expensive choice. (Honestly, I get nervous about plugs and wires lasting 100K, so I replaced the wires early the first time at 75K, but used crap Autolites and was repaid with worse performance vs. the old Delcos that were on it. Tried Bosch....junk again. Bought a performace set from Summitt. Worthless. No more of that....Delco only now.)

On its third set of shocks counting OEM. Third set of brakes, again counting OEM. Second set of front and rear rotors and calipers.

Oh, wait....did have an issue with the interior. The driver's back adjustment lever handle broke. Had to put a new one on....all of 30 sec. of work.

Oh yeah, I tow a lot with it. Have a 15" alu. boat with a 25hp Merc on the back. I know, small boat, but it gets us around. Also have two other trailers I take to auctions almost weekly...one open, one an enclosed Haulmark.

Maybe it's because of my age of 55 years, but that doesn't mean I drive like a bluehair. Even at my "advanced" age, I still manage to do around 80mph on the interstate.......and I love cruising Atlanta (75 in a 55 and no one looks at you), well, except at 5-7PM on weekdays.
 
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Ktulu

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Meh. I don't support failure.

My new F150 is awesome though.

You do realize Ford was in worse shape than GM back in 2006, so bad in fact they had to mortgage everything including office furniture and any trademarks just to stay alive. But i'll keep my filthy facts out of this GM hate fest.

LOVE my Silverado.
 

SparkyJJO

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You do realize Ford was in worse shape than GM back in 2006, so bad in fact they had to mortgage everything including office furniture and any trademarks just to stay alive. But i'll keep my filthy facts out of this GM hate fest.

LOVE my Silverado.

I think that's what saved Ford this time around. They had already been in survival mode, and had liquidated excess stuff so they had more cash on hand. When the economy went slump, they were prepared for it (even though that may not have been their initial intent). GM and Chrysler were not prepared.
 

Fritzo

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I drive a 1st generation Insight. I assume everyone knows what they look like?

Not exactly known to be the best looking car around, but not rated anywhere near worst either. And I get 2.5x the gas mileage of that thing. Good enough for me. lol

That Terrain thing is just plain fugly though. At least the 1st gen Insight has a few nice lines on it.


LOL-




Your taste in what looks good and what doesn't has been duly noted in the ATOT archives. Thank you for your participation.
 

Ktulu

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I think that's what saved Ford this time around. They had already been in survival mode, and had liquidated excess stuff so they had more cash on hand. When the economy went slump, they were prepared for it (even though that may not have been their initial intent). GM and Chrysler were not prepared.

True but GM and Chrysler kinda didn't have an option during the whole economic downturn as banks were refusing to loan them anymore money. I guess it all comes down to timing. Ford just got lucky with the way things turned out.
 
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