"Thank you, Israel"

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, thank you very much, Israel

You're looking at one side of the story here. First of all, this is a WAR. Hezbollah, hiding behind the citizens of Lebanon, attacked Israel. Israel retaliated, and yes, because of the position Hezbollah put the Lebonese citizens in, there were casualties.

THIS is not an act of war. It's terrorism, and it's nauseating.

Uh, Israel attacked first in this situation.

You honestly think the kidnapping of two soldiers is worth destroying cities and killing hundreds of innocents?!

Wow, have you not listened to any political analysts since the violence started? The reason for Israel to go into Lebanon was not a impulse decision. It has been one that has been planned for many years now. The kidnapping of two soldiers and KILLING of 8 civilians was the smoking gun. Hezbollah already had missles that could be used against Israel, Israel just needed a way to be able to destroy Hezbollah.

Israel did NOT attack first. With that reasoning, that's like saying the US attacked Al Queda first.

WRONG.

Gaza deaths threaten cease-fire, deterrence

JERUSALEM ? A 16-month cease-fire by several terrorist factions is faltering after members of a Palestinian family were killed in an explosion on a Gaza beach, providing the sternest test yet of the new security doctrine Israel forged after last year?s Gaza withdrawal.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, thank you very much, Israel

You're looking at one side of the story here. First of all, this is a WAR. Hezbollah, hiding behind the citizens of Lebanon, attacked Israel. Israel retaliated, and yes, because of the position Hezbollah put the Lebonese citizens in, there were casualties.

THIS is not an act of war. It's terrorism, and it's nauseating.

War isn't something that just happens on its own. Israel chose to attack Lebanon, chose to attack public infrastructure -- hell, they call this massacre OPERATION JUST REWARD!

Is it a "just reward" to massacre civilians? Create a half-million displaced civilians, bomb infrastructure, blockade ports, denying civilians food, water, medicine?

Israel CHOSE to create a humanitarian crisis in Lebanon. If Israel had a reason to attack Hezbollah they should attack Hezbollah and not make the Lebanese people pawns in their war.

I can't understand why people refuse to see the parallels here. When Osama bin Laden attacked America on 9/11 we railed against his attack against civilians. When bush attacked Iraq civilians were just a casualty of war. When Israel began this massacre against what is essentially a defenseless Lebanese civilian population its supporters again call the Lebanese people just another casualty of war.

Don't you see the double standard? The pictures all look the same. Why do you call one terrorism and not the other?

READ THE NEWS. Hezbollah placed their officials in civilian areas ON PURPOSE. I heard on NPR the other day that one of the officials headquarter buildings was the second floor of CIVILAN APARTMENTS. They took a risk, and assumed that Israel would not attack in fear of killing civilians. It's a very hard position for Israel to be put in, to kill Lebonese civilians in order to save their own, or to hold back.

Israels PRIMARY concern is for their own people, and they took what actions they deemed to be necessary. If the Lebonese citizens and government had not supported Hezbollah all these years, and let them hide behind them, chances are there would be much fewer civilian casualties.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, thank you very much, Israel

You're looking at one side of the story here. First of all, this is a WAR. Hezbollah, hiding behind the citizens of Lebanon, attacked Israel. Israel retaliated, and yes, because of the position Hezbollah put the Lebonese citizens in, there were casualties.

THIS is not an act of war. It's terrorism, and it's nauseating.

Uh, Israel attacked first in this situation.

You honestly think the kidnapping of two soldiers is worth destroying cities and killing hundreds of innocents?!

Wow, have you not listened to any political analysts since the violence started? The reason for Israel to go into Lebanon was not a impulse decision. It has been one that has been planned for many years now. The kidnapping of two soldiers and KILLING of 8 civilians was the smoking gun. Hezbollah already had missles that could be used against Israel, Israel just needed a way to be able to destroy Hezbollah.

Israel did NOT attack first. With that reasoning, that's like saying the US attacked Al Queda first.

WRONG.

Gaza deaths threaten cease-fire, deterrence

JERUSALEM ? A 16-month cease-fire by several terrorist factions is faltering after members of a Palestinian family were killed in an explosion on a Gaza beach, providing the sternest test yet of the new security doctrine Israel forged after last year?s Gaza withdrawal.

Yet this is totally unrealted to Lebanon and what we were discussing

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
Yes, thank you very much, Israel

You're looking at one side of the story here. First of all, this is a WAR. Hezbollah, hiding behind the citizens of Lebanon, attacked Israel. Israel retaliated, and yes, because of the position Hezbollah put the Lebonese citizens in, there were casualties.

THIS is not an act of war. It's terrorism, and it's nauseating.

Uh, Israel attacked first in this situation.

You honestly think the kidnapping of two soldiers is worth destroying cities and killing hundreds of innocents?!

Hezbollah took the soldiers.
Israel relatiate to prevent the soldiers from being taken where they could not get their hands on them.
Hezbollah answered back with rockets against Israeli cities.

Tit for tat. The only difference is that Hezbollah acknowledges that they are targeting the civilans population centers as a terror tactic (Israel & Arab alike using anti-personalweapons)

If Israel had done nothing, it wouild have encouraged both Hezbollah and Hamas to continue. with Hamas, turning the other cheek has accomplished nothing. Do you think the Hezbollah/syria/Iran woiuld have been satisfied with only a couple of soldiers.
Syria was embaressed with the Israeli flyover. They do not have the gonads to do anything about it themselves, so they get a proxie to do it for them, knowing full well what the oiutcome would be.

Lebanon kicked out Syria, so why should Syria feel any sympathy toward that government. Syria accomplishes 3 goals at the same time.

 

[conjur]

So you're fine with Israel striking at milk factories?


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-...817864.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

In a week of vindictive bombardment, Israel has destroyed the infrastructure that Lebanon spent a decade building. Under the cover of misleading headlines, such as one that read "Israel Pounds Hezbollah Strongholds," Israel has in fact bombed towns and villages, provincial centers and Beirut.

Israel has killed Christians, Sunnis and Shiites, old and young, men and women, from the great Phoenician cities of Sidon and Tyre to more humble towns ? Chtoura and Juniyah, Damour and Naame, Jiye and Baalbek, Khiam and Batrun.

It has wrecked roads, bridges, a lighthouse, ports, tunnels, electrical pylons, water mains, fuel depots, gas stations, power plants, houses, shops, schools ? and even a milk factory. It has repeatedly blasted the international airport that was the symbol of Lebanon's rebirth from 15 years of war.

This cannot end well.

I saw a bumper sticker this morning at the grocery that said it all.

It had an image of two arms hugging a person and it read "All the arms that we need"

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: conjur
So you're fine with Israel striking at milk factories?


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-...817864.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

In a week of vindictive bombardment, Israel has destroyed the infrastructure that Lebanon spent a decade building. Under the cover of misleading headlines, such as one that read "Israel Pounds Hezbollah Strongholds," Israel has in fact bombed towns and villages, provincial centers and Beirut.

Israel has killed Christians, Sunnis and Shiites, old and young, men and women, from the great Phoenician cities of Sidon and Tyre to more humble towns ? Chtoura and Juniyah, Damour and Naame, Jiye and Baalbek, Khiam and Batrun.

It has wrecked roads, bridges, a lighthouse, ports, tunnels, electrical pylons, water mains, fuel depots, gas stations, power plants, houses, shops, schools ? and even a milk factory. It has repeatedly blasted the international airport that was the symbol of Lebanon's rebirth from 15 years of war.

No response to the fact that Hezbollah did indeed strike first? Didn't think so.

Israel is destroying the infrastructure that Hezbollah relies on.

 

[conjur]

You suck at reading comprehension.


Care to state how and when Hizbollah came into existence?

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: conjur
You suck at reading comprehension.


Care to state how and when Hizbollah came into existence?

"Scholars differ as to when Hezbollah came to be a distinct entity. Some organizations list the official formation of the group as early as 1982. (GlobalSecurity.org, 2005) whereas Diaz and Newman maintain that Hezbollah remained an amalgamation of various violent Shi?a extremists until as late as 1985 (Diaz & Newman, 2005, p. 55). Regardless of when the name came into official use, a number of Shi?a groups were slowly assimilated into the organization, such as Islamic Jihad, Organization of the Oppressed on Earth and the Revolutionary Justice Organization [citation needed]. These designations are considered to be synonymous with Hezbollah by the US[22], Israel[23] and Canada[24]


Since then, the party has publicly declared that it will suspend its attempts to create an Islamic state in Lebanon "because the conditions are not yet met" until there is no other viable alternative but to elect an Islamic government. It remained underground for a number of years and did not make a public announcement of its existence until 1985."

Your point?

 

[conjur]

for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: conjur
for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

I get it, to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon. Except that Israel pulled out, so their reason for founding is irrelevent. Hell, if you want to talk about that, how about the fact that the Lebonese government had the responsibility to dismantle Hezbollah. Instead, they sat on their asses, and now that they're getting bombed BECAUSE OF Hezbollah, they complain.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

I get it, to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon. Except that Israel pulled out, so their reason for founding is irrelevent. Hell, if you want to talk about that, how about the fact that the Lebonese government had the responsibility to dismantle Hezbollah. Instead, they sat on their asses, and now that they're getting bombed BECAUSE OF Hezbollah, they complain.

The Lebanese government just got rid of the Syrians. In Iraq we hear bush excuse the chaos resulting from his unprovoked invasion with excuses about how long it takes to build a democracy yet people here excuse Israel's destruction of Lebanon by expecting the fledgling Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezbollah overnight.

There is no justification for attacking the civilian population or public infrastructure of another nation. Thanks to the U.S. Israel has air superiority over every nation in the Middle East. To use that power so disproportionately, to use that power to turn an entire nation into rubble is inexcusable.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

I get it, to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon. Except that Israel pulled out, so their reason for founding is irrelevent. Hell, if you want to talk about that, how about the fact that the Lebonese government had the responsibility to dismantle Hezbollah. Instead, they sat on their asses, and now that they're getting bombed BECAUSE OF Hezbollah, they complain.

The Lebanese government just got rid of the Syrians. In Iraq we hear bush excuse the chaos resulting from his unprovoked invasion with excuses about how long it takes to build a democracy yet people here excuse Israel's destruction of Lebanon by expecting the fledgling Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezbollah overnight.

There is no justification for attacking the civilian population or public infrastructure of another nation. Thanks to the U.S. Israel has air superiority over every nation in the Middle East. To use that power so disproportionately, to use that power to turn an entire nation into rubble is inexcusable.

Yet you've come up with no alternatives for what Israel SHOULD be doing? Standing by while at least 10,000 rockets are pointed towards their civilians? The people of Lebanon, as well as the governemnt, took the risk of whats happening today when they accepted Hezbollah in their society.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

I get it, to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon. Except that Israel pulled out, so their reason for founding is irrelevent. Hell, if you want to talk about that, how about the fact that the Lebonese government had the responsibility to dismantle Hezbollah. Instead, they sat on their asses, and now that they're getting bombed BECAUSE OF Hezbollah, they complain.

The Lebanese government just got rid of the Syrians. In Iraq we hear bush excuse the chaos resulting from his unprovoked invasion with excuses about how long it takes to build a democracy yet people here excuse Israel's destruction of Lebanon by expecting the fledgling Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezbollah overnight.

There is no justification for attacking the civilian population or public infrastructure of another nation. Thanks to the U.S. Israel has air superiority over every nation in the Middle East. To use that power so disproportionately, to use that power to turn an entire nation into rubble is inexcusable.

Yet you've come up with no alternatives for what Israel SHOULD be doing? Standing by while at least 10,000 rockets are pointed towards their civilians? The people of Lebanon, as well as the governemnt, took the risk of whats happening today when they accepted Hezbollah in their society.

There is no excuse for targeting civilians or public infrastructure. That goes for Israel and Hezbollah.

Israel is VASTLY superior militarily to Hezbollah. "10,000 rockets" sounds like a real threat but Hezbollah hasn't been able to reduce the entire nation of Israel to rubble, has it? Israel, however, HAS and IS reducing Lebanon to rubble.

How do you think Lebanon is going to retaliate? What threat do these Lebanese civilians that Israel is killing and displacing pose to Israel? Attacking a civilian population in reprisal is expressely forbidden in international law. Israel is as wrong as Hezbollah in this and you can't blame the Lebanese people who are being slaughtered and displaced INTENTIONALLY for the actions of Hezbollah.

Just remember your eye for an eye attitude works both ways. When the next wave of suicide bombings begins will you excuse the bombers by saying the Israeli people allowed the destruction of Lebanon?

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: conjur
for the encyclopedia search. Now, care to figure out the how (or perhaps I should say why) part?

I get it, to fight Israeli forces in Lebanon. Except that Israel pulled out, so their reason for founding is irrelevent. Hell, if you want to talk about that, how about the fact that the Lebonese government had the responsibility to dismantle Hezbollah. Instead, they sat on their asses, and now that they're getting bombed BECAUSE OF Hezbollah, they complain.

The Lebanese government just got rid of the Syrians. In Iraq we hear bush excuse the chaos resulting from his unprovoked invasion with excuses about how long it takes to build a democracy yet people here excuse Israel's destruction of Lebanon by expecting the fledgling Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezbollah overnight.

There is no justification for attacking the civilian population or public infrastructure of another nation. Thanks to the U.S. Israel has air superiority over every nation in the Middle East. To use that power so disproportionately, to use that power to turn an entire nation into rubble is inexcusable.

Yet you've come up with no alternatives for what Israel SHOULD be doing? Standing by while at least 10,000 rockets are pointed towards their civilians? The people of Lebanon, as well as the governemnt, took the risk of whats happening today when they accepted Hezbollah in their society.

There is no excuse for targeting civilians or public infrastructure. That goes for Israel and Hezbollah.

Israel is VASTLY superior militarily to Hezbollah. "10,000 rockets" sounds like a real threat but Hezbollah hasn't been able to reduce the entire nation of Israel to rubble, has it? Israel, however, HAS and IS reducing Lebanon to rubble.

How do you think Lebanon is going to retaliate? What threat do these Lebanese civilians that Israel is killing and displacing pose to Israel? Attacking a civilian population in reprisal is expressely forbidden in international law. Israel is as wrong as Hezbollah in this and you can't blame the Lebanese people who are being slaughtered and displace INTENTIONALLY for the actions of Hezbollah.

Just remember your eye for an eye attitude works both ways. When the next wave of suicide bombings begins will you excuse the bombers by saying the Israeli people allowed the destruction of Lebanon?

This is not about an eye-to-eye additude. This is about Israel defending themselves. When they have to attack a terrorist organization that has located themselves in front of civilians, there's no options left. Ultimately, the deaths of the ~250 civilians are Hezbollahs doing. If they had the moral decency to place themselves away from citizens, this would not have been happening. Death is a tragedy to no matter who it is, but the IDF has a responsibility to defend its country.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: SLCentral


This is not about an eye-to-eye additude. This is about Israel defending themselves. When they have to attack a terrorist organization that has located themselves in front of civilians, there's no options left. Ultimately, the deaths of the ~250 civilians are Hezbollahs doing. If they had the moral decency to place themselves away from citizens, this would not have been happening. Death is a tragedy to no matter who it is, but the IDF has a responsibility to defend its country.

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

And to say that the OVER 330 civilian deaths are Hezbollah's doing is utterly ridiculous. Those aren't Hezbollah jets dropping bombs on Lebanon. They are U.S. built and flown by Israelis.

The point is, Israel isn't going to completely destroy their enemy unless they've adopted a policy of complete destruction of the Middle Eastern states that surround them. Israel complains that their enemies want to destroy them completely. Does Israel now operate under the same policy against their enemies?

What is happening in Lebanon certainly looks like they are. Not only are they out to completely wipe out Hezbollah, Israel appears to be intent on wiping out Lebanon.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: SLCentral


This is not about an eye-to-eye additude. This is about Israel defending themselves. When they have to attack a terrorist organization that has located themselves in front of civilians, there's no options left. Ultimately, the deaths of the ~250 civilians are Hezbollahs doing. If they had the moral decency to place themselves away from citizens, this would not have been happening. Death is a tragedy to no matter who it is, but the IDF has a responsibility to defend its country.

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

And to say that the OVER 330 civilian deaths are Hezbollah's doing is utterly ridiculous. Those aren't Hezbollah jets dropping bombs on Lebanon. They are U.S. built and flown by Israelis.

When a bank robber holds a civilian hostage, and in the course of trying to kill the robber, the police inadvertantly kill the hostage, the criminal is guilty of murder, legally and morally, according to law.

Just a thought.

 

[jrenz]

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

and just to correct this statement... they don't HAVE to attack Israeli civilians... they CHOOSE to attack Israeli civilians EXCLUSIVELY. They have publicly stated this fact.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: jrenz

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

and just to correct this statement... they don't HAVE to attack Israeli civilians... they CHOOSE to attack Israeli civilians EXCLUSIVELY. They have publicly stated this fact.

I find it hilarious that people believe the propaganda that Israel is blameless in this, just defending themselves. There is far more to the events in the Middle East than that and there are NO innocent parties. Everyone has their goals to achieve. It's just a matter of whose propaganda you choose to believe. One fact for certain, Israel is the super power of the Middle East and, like their benefactor, they are using their super power status very badly.

Noam Chomsky - The Murder Of A Nation Lebanon - Israel Facts the Media Isn't Telling You

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jrenz

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

and just to correct this statement... they don't HAVE to attack Israeli civilians... they CHOOSE to attack Israeli civilians EXCLUSIVELY. They have publicly stated this fact.

I find it hilarious that people believe the propaganda that Israel is blameless in this, just defending themselves. There is far more to the events in the Middle East than that and there are NO innocent parties. Everyone has their goals to achieve. It's just a matter of whose propaganda you choose to believe. One fact for certain, Israel is the super power of the Middle East and, like their benefactor, they are using their super power status very badly.

Noam Chomsky - The Murder Of A Nation Lebanon - Israel Facts the Media Isn't Telling You

So you choose to believe the highly anti-Israeli propaganda you've posted, I choose to believe that the people who have publicly said "our goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" are the bad guys, and need to be destroyed. To each his own, I guess.......

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Aisengard


Wow. Talk about skewed view of the world.
Now BBond, I'm glad you get your facts from movies, but I'll ask again: show me a statement where Israel, as its national policy, said its land was given to them by God.

Gee, I don't know...what do you think of a people who consider the land they occupy in the Middle East a birthright? Does that come close?

It isn't my view that's skewed, buddy.

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Hahaha, you fail! That was your last chance to show that Israel's publicly declared national policy is taking its land granted to them by God.

Now, I know that's Hamas' policy. And I know Iran's policy is the destruction of Israel. And I know many many countries' leaders that have publicly stated they would like Israel to be wiped off the map.

Yet you continue to fail to provide anything that would even suggest Israel's national policy is God-based, or heck land-based. Remember, they offered land for peace, and Nobel-winner Yasser Arafat REFUSED.

I know I will never get past your anti-Semitism, but at least be intellectually honest.

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The only good Jew is a one who is humble, and realizes his religion is okay as long as you get to control it, right?

 

[saahmed]

What the hell are Jihadies? Dont try to make arguments if you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Sone of you dont know what Jihad is, you feel the need to regurgitate everything Sean Hannity says. Jihad does not mean holy war, its literal meaning is 'effort' which can be effort in any aspect of life. Some people have chosen to take it to mean effort in war against non-Muslims in the form of terrorism, this is by no means 'mainstream', if it were, this world would be in total chaos, as Muslims make up the second largest religion in the world. The ignorance of some people is just worsening matters.

Just one thing that pissed me off recently. I think it was Donald Rumsfeld, speaking of President Ahmedinajad of Iran, "... and I refuse to learn how to pronounce his name". What kind of sh1t is that? This is a politician who has great interest and weight in these matter, and he chooses to be this ignorant? How is that going to improve matters?

 

[Aisengard]

You're right saahmed, the term Jihad HAS been hijacked by Muslim terrorists. So realize that that's what most people are talking about.

I just wish more Muslim leaders and Muslim groups would come out and say it.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: jrenz

I'm certain that Israel's enemies feel the same way. When they have to attack Israeli civilians they'll use the same excuse.

and just to correct this statement... they don't HAVE to attack Israeli civilians... they CHOOSE to attack Israeli civilians EXCLUSIVELY. They have publicly stated this fact.

I find it hilarious that people believe the propaganda that Israel is blameless in this, just defending themselves. There is far more to the events in the Middle East than that and there are NO innocent parties. Everyone has their goals to achieve. It's just a matter of whose propaganda you choose to believe. One fact for certain, Israel is the super power of the Middle East and, like their benefactor, they are using their super power status very badly.

Noam Chomsky - The Murder Of A Nation Lebanon - Israel Facts the Media Isn't Telling You

So you choose to believe the highly anti-Israeli propaganda you've posted, I choose to believe that the people who have publicly said "our goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth" are the bad guys, and need to be destroyed. To each his own, I guess.......

You believe the propaganda you choose to believe and I'll believe what I choose to believe and what my own eyes see.

And Israel's goal is to wipe Hamas, Hezbollah, apparently Lebanon, and anyone else that gets in their way off the face of the Earth.

What's the difference?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
You're right saahmed, the term Jihad HAS been hijacked by Muslim terrorists. So realize that that's what most people are talking about.

I just wish more Muslim leaders and Muslim groups would come out and say it.

Exactly WHERE did Saahmed say the term was "hijacked"???

Originally posted by: saahmed
What the hell are Jihadies? Dont try to make arguments if you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Sone of you dont know what Jihad is, you feel the need to regurgitate everything Sean Hannity says. Jihad does not mean holy war, its literal meaning is 'effort' which can be effort in any aspect of life. Some people have chosen to take it to mean effort in war against non-Muslims in the form of terrorism, this is by no means 'mainstream', if it were, this world would be in total chaos, as Muslims make up the second largest religion in the world. The ignorance of some people is just worsening matters.

Just one thing that pissed me off recently. I think it was Donald Rumsfeld, speaking of President Ahmedinajad of Iran, "... and I refuse to learn how to pronounce his name". What kind of sh1t is that? This is a politician who has great interest and weight in these matter, and he chooses to be this ignorant? How is that going to improve matters?

To answer Saahmed's questions, this is typical rumsfeld sh1t because rumsfeld (and the rest of this disgrace of an administration along with quite a few Americans) does indeed CHOOSE to be that ignorant. Finally, it ISN'T going to improve matters because these people have no intent whatsoever to improve matters. Their only goal is to further their own narrow agenda -- well, that and make a handsome living as war profiteers while they fill America's head with bullsh1t propaganda as an excuse for their own actions.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Aisengard
You're right saahmed, the term Jihad HAS been hijacked by Muslim terrorists. So realize that that's what most people are talking about.

I just wish more Muslim leaders and Muslim groups would come out and say it.

Exactly WHERE did Saahmed say the term was "hijacked"???

Some people have chosen to take it to mean effort in war against non-Muslims in the form of terrorism, this is by no means 'mainstream'...

Any other questions?