"Thank you, Israel"

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Aisengard
You're right saahmed, the term Jihad HAS been hijacked by Muslim terrorists. So realize that that's what most people are talking about.

I just wish more Muslim leaders and Muslim groups would come out and say it.

Exactly WHERE did Saahmed say the term was "hijacked"???

Some people have chosen to take it to mean effort in war against non-Muslims in the form of terrorism, this is by no means 'mainstream'...

Any other questions?

And you read THAT to say "HIJACKED"???

Now I'm beginning to understand why your perceptions are as screwed up as they are.

:roll:

 

[Aisengard]

Hijack:

To seize control of (a moving vehicle) by use of force, especially in order to reach an alternate destination.

In this case, it's a term, they use force, and they want an alternate destination than the term implies. Why don't you stop wasting our time and just admit you were wrong?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Yet you've come up with no alternatives for what Israel SHOULD be doing? Standing by while at least 10,000 rockets are pointed towards their civilians?

Blowing up the whatever rockets they find pointed towards their civilians is reasonable, but Israel has gone far past the line of reason here.

Originally posted by: jrenz
When a bank robber holds a civilian hostage, and in the course of trying to kill the robber, the police inadvertantly kill the hostage, the criminal is guilty of murder, legally and morally, according to law.

If the police just chuck a frag grenade in on room which takes them both out, then yeah of couse that it is the police's fault.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Hijack:

To seize control of (a moving vehicle) by use of force, especially in order to reach an alternate destination.

In this case, it's a term, they use force, and they want an alternate destination than the term implies. Why don't you stop wasting our time and just admit you were wrong?

Don't be ridiculous (not that you have a choice) -- NOWHERE did Saahmed use the term HIJACK.

Constant exposure to propaganda and your belief in same is effecting your brain. Get help right away. You're unconsciously propagandizing other people's statements and believing your own propaganda too.

:roll:

 

[Aisengard]

He implied the term hijack, you idiot. What, you're only at a 6th grade reading level? Is implication too complex a term for you?

Saahmed said that some people have used the term to mean what it doesn't. That is the FREAKING DEFINITION of the term.

Will someone please bitch-slap this kid?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Islamistani

Originally posted by: Termagant

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jrenz

Keep reading and listen- jihad happened in the 70's to the Lebanese - the 20's and 30's to the Armenians, - the Indonesians in the 80's and it's the same fate the Jihadies have for all nations.

No no you have it all wrong though! We just need to talk with them!

Who is "them"? That's the problem with you people, you seem to think that terrorists go around wearing "I'm a terrorist" hats and we just need to shoot 'em all and we'll win. Sorry, life's not that simple.

Muslims, who are now the majority of Lebanon's population, support Hizbullah because they are part of the Islamic ummah - the nation. This is the taboo subject everyone is trying to avoid.

"Them" is all of them. The entire Muslim world needs to be reformed because of their support of terrorism, which is not confined to some "radical" element, but is very mainstream.

When you get over your phobia of Muslims, remind yourself that Islam is the second largest faith, Muslims are by far more conformist that Christians, and the religion is th fastest growing across the world. Thank you, but Muslims do not need "reforms".

I think he is specificly refering to Middle Eastern and South Asian muslims.
70% of them are Shari muslims. They follow the Quran and Sharia law, not to mention other radical muslim scripture.


Islam is very complicated. Some people just don't understand it.
To compare Fundamentalist Christian's to Fundamentalist Muslim's is be absurd.

Christianity doesn't have multiple texts, unlike Islam. There isn't a single Christian Theocratic government in the world. (A country that uses Christian Law, e.g literal text to run the country)

Even secular culture is quite backwards compared to other religion's.
You could debate semantics all day.

Big difference between Cultural muslims, Religious muslims and Secular muslims.
You can be born a muslim (Like in the US) and not be a devote muslim, but this wouldn't be tolerated in Islamic countries.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
He implied the term hijack, you idiot. What, you're only at a 6th grade reading level? Is implication too complex a term for you?

Saahmed said that some people have used the term to mean what it doesn't. That is the FREAKING DEFINITION of the term.

Will someone please bitch-slap this kid?

No, YOU HIJACKED Saahmed's post. Saahmed used the words he intended to use. You decided to pervert his post with your propaganda.

 

[BBond]

More reasons to thank Israel. Small, innocent, helpless reasons. :brokenheart:

A third of casualties in Lebanon are children, says UN relief chief

Jul 21 2006

Western Mail

AN ESTIMATED 2,300 Britons were among the thousands of foreigners fleeing the shores of war-torn Lebanon last night where Jan Egeland, the United Nations' emergency relief co-ordinator, said nearly a third of the dead or wounded were children.

And Egeland warned that, without a truce allowing aid agencies to begin the relief effort, there would be a "catastrophe" in the country.

Aimee Ansari, programme director for Save the Children in the Middle East and North Africa, said she had heard the proportion of child deaths was even higher than the UN figures.

"The people I contact in Lebanon say it is closer to 45% of the casualties are children," she said. "Lebanese families are quite big, so when you bomb a house, you get children."

 

[lyssword]

For a population of 3 million, 300 deaths in a week would probably be the same as any other week, statistically (i.e people die from car accidents etc..) however I think it is wrong that Israel is doing so much collateral damage, which also results in deaths. No i'm not saying that those lives are worth nothing, human worth is infinite, I am saying that there are very few other options of eliminating hezbollah. If israel was intentionally targeting civilians death toll would be much higher. Considering how many bombs were dropped (I don't know exactly how many) and by comparing bombers that intentionally blow people up (like in iraq, suicide bomber blew up 50 iraqis in a marketplace) I can ration that they are not in fact purposedly targeting civilians. War is hell and I hope there are as few civilian casualties as possible, but lately based on statistics after WW2 wars, a BIG majority of victims really are civilians.

 

[daniel49]

here is an interesting site with a lot of information about Isreali and Hezbolla weapons and tactics.
http://www.defensetech.org/



"Israel's disproportionate use of force and collective punishment must stop."
- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan

Kofi reminds me of that mother in walmart whose kids completely ignore everything she says as the race down the isles hitting each other.
Not only in this conflict but any.
Little wonder, the UN has been largely ineffective in solving world problems anyway.

 

[alejandroAT]

To much of my distress i see most people have jumped on the "terrorism" propaganda train that was devised by western powers to achieve their means. I really dont want to sound cheesy but seriously now. Terrorist is one who uses the fear of violence (or death) on others to force them to embrace ones ideas. So if you kill 10 people on a bus by means of a self-devised explosive mechanism you are called a terrorist. If you bomb a hospital with a Stealth Bomber you are called a piecekeeper. It seems to me that far more innocent civilians have been killed by random bombings of western "allies" than by bearfoot fanatics with home made bombs. And never forget that these "terrorist" groups have always formed to protect their land from foreign invasion. Now if along the way they have lost the plot and have become criminal organisations more than they are liberating organisations, well, thats simply because the invading force is still there after decades and decades. In the same way that Bush has used fear to seize overwhelming power (undemocratic power , see Guandanamo, Patriot Act and so on), these warlords have used fear to get the power they want. Of course middle eastern countires are to blame too because they have done nothing to cleanse themselved of these criminal organisations. But why do these organisations exist in the first place. These people do not want to take over the world. It is the US that want to take over the world. And ofcourse it is dragging the UK with it and everyone else that doesn't have the power or balls to tell them to sod off.

 

[alejandroAT]

its just disgusting to see that illeterate hillbilly moron with the slimy smile and cowboy tactics talk about liberating the world from opression while at the same time he shoves people in concentration camps without charges and listening to telephone conversations. I bet they have a list for everyone on their soil and what they have read or where they have traveled and they are using those lists to arrest people or take them for questioning "indeffinately". Sounds like the USSR of A to me.

 

[alejandroAT]

oh, and to the moron who seems to think that muslims need a reform, i say this: Bush claims to have talked to god and gotten permission to wage war against the infidels. The wording is different but the message is the same dude. Christians are equally passive against the terrorism of their goverments (not some random organisation) against unarmed civilians. If christians are willing to sit comfortably in their couches and watch children being maimed and killed on the tv set while warming up their microwave dinner, i dont see how they can demand that muslims be refromed. Christians just use different words to express the same actions in order to live with their concience. Muslims condem terrorists there is no question about that. But christians vote for them and put them in goverment. (I am a christian by the way - at least on paper)

 

[EagleKeeper]

Hizbollah needs the Lebonise infrastruct to manuver. Israel is denying them that freedom of movement.

The rockets are not in fixed locations. Most of what is being launched can be transported on the back of a pickup; It does not require a massive support structure like a Scud does.

Therefore Israel has no actual targets to shoot at prior to a launch.

They must respond to the launches by attacking potential targets in the launch area.

If Hizbollah chooses to launch from a schoolyard, then movement within the school area will become a target. They know that and are hoping the world opinion will reign in Israel as it has always done. They (Hizbollah/Hamas) have learned well on how to use the civilans as shields and sympathy generators. They care nothing for the civilians, they are no different than another type of weapon to be used and expended.

 

[alejandroAT]

right, so since hesbollah doesnt care about civilians that makes it allright for the "civilized" world to bomb them as well.......yeah makes sense mate.....congrats on your argument.

2,500,000 israely troops against 100,000 lebanese.......Thank god the lebanese have moving launchers otherwise it would be a rightout massacre. Hurray for God's chosen people....

 

[alejandroAT]

You want to talk sympathy generators? tell that to the victims of 9/11 .

Sorry to mix america into all of this but it is behind all this. It even expressed the "consultation" that a seize of fire is NOT in order. Why do they keep putting their nose where it dont belong?

They dont just "consult" or express oponions like all other nations. They pretty much command. And now Turkey says that if Israel has the support of the US to attack Lebanon then why shoudlnt they be "allowed" to attack the Kurds in northern Iraq? It is the US that allows or forbids these actions.

Rest assured that when and if America's interests move, then Turkey will attack the Kurdish "terrorists". And when this is done the US will move to IRan. Now whether this will be before or after they invade North Korea i dont know. But then again they have all these Military coops to support in Latin America. So much to conquer, so little time.

NOTE: Rest assured Americans that the world DOES know that not all of you support this "divide and conquer" strategy that has been going on since Nam. Unfortunately the percentage that does support it is a bit higher and thats what fuels all this mayhem.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Christianity doesn't have multiple texts, unlike Islam.

Christianity does have muliple texts.

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
You can be born a muslim (Like in the US) and not be a devote muslim, but this wouldn't be tolerated in Islamic countries.

It is tolerated in Lebanon.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The rockets are not in fixed locations. Most of what is being launched can be transported on the back of a pickup; It does not require a massive support structure like a Scud does.

Therefore Israel has no actual targets to shoot at prior to a launch.

Where the rockets are being prepared to be launched from and trucks carrying them there are valid targets, but Israel has targeted much more than that.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The rockets are not in fixed locations. Most of what is being launched can be transported on the back of a pickup; It does not require a massive support structure like a Scud does.

Therefore Israel has no actual targets to shoot at prior to a launch.

Where the rockets are being prepared to be launched from and trucks carrying them there are valid targets, but Israel has targeted much more than that.

True

Israel is determined to disrupt the infrastructure that the Hizbollah use to manuver. Also, targetting locations where they either are suspected to be or have been.

Hide in a school, the school becomes a target. Hide in an apartment building, the building becomes a target. Hide among the civilian population, they become targets.

Sad, but when the fighters attempt to utilize all resources available to them, then those resources become targets.

The days of slugging it out on a open plain no longer exists; thereofre attack your enemy with your strenghts. This is what both sides are doing. the GWI showed that you hit with overwhelming firepower, do not attempt to fight on an even footing; your own people become at risk.

 

[dannybin1742]

"Them" is all of them. The entire Muslim world needs to be reformed because of their support of terrorism, which is not confined to some "radical" element, but is very mainstream

way to generalize a group of people, typical

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

"Them" is all of them. The entire Muslim world needs to be reformed because of their support of terrorism, which is not confined to some "radical" element, but is very mainstream

way to generalize a group of people, typical

Generelizations are usually when you base your view of an entire group on a minority.

Until other muslims start voicing there opinion that is different from the Jihadists, than sorry, the minority in this case appears to be the peacefull ones.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
right, so since hesbollah doesnt care about civilians that makes it allright for the "civilized" world to bomb them as well.......yeah makes sense mate.....congrats on your argument.

2,500,000 israely troops against 100,000 lebanese.......Thank god the lebanese have moving launchers otherwise it would be a rightout massacre. Hurray for God's chosen people....

The lebanese LOVE Hezbollah, as does the rest of the Arab World.
Since Hezbollah is specificly an anti-israel terrorist org, and nobody else seem's to care (Including the western world, the UN or anybody) Israel has to do something.


The civilians are Hezbollah. They mix in with each other. People in Hezbollah aren't hiding, they are rejoicing.

repeat: Everyone. In. Lebanon. Loves. Hezbollah.
No Arab country before this has ever tried to get rid of Hezbollah. The Lebanese police never goes after Hezbollah. Understand?

Israel's closest enemy in the region is Hezbollah. No other neighboring country ever countributed into destroying Hezbollah before this. In fact, Iran and Saudi Arabia support Hezbollah financially. Nobody seem's to care about that.

Stop blaming Israel for the world's problems. They are only protecting themselves, and if that means civilian deaths....so be it. That's how war works.

How else would Israel get rid of Hezbollah? The European countries never wanted to help. The US is to busy in pointless Iraq. Egypt doesn't care.

I'm surprised it took this long for Israel to take action.

What else is Israel supposed to do? Wait it out? Release the prisoners??


The arab world cannot persist in f**king the Israeli's up the @ss and then back away when the s**t hit's the fan.


The source of this problem is Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. They support Hezbollah. They keep the ball moving.


Don't blame Israel for the existence of Hezbollah.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The rockets are not in fixed locations. Most of what is being launched can be transported on the back of a pickup; It does not require a massive support structure like a Scud does.

Therefore Israel has no actual targets to shoot at prior to a launch.

Where the rockets are being prepared to be launched from and trucks carrying them there are valid targets, but Israel has targeted much more than that.

True

Israel is determined to disrupt the infrastructure that the Hizbollah use to manuver. Also, targetting locations where they either are suspected to be or have been.

Hide in a school, the school becomes a target. Hide in an apartment building, the building becomes a target. Hide among the civilian population, they become targets.

Sad, but when the fighters attempt to utilize all resources available to them, then those resources become targets.

The days of slugging it out on a open plain no longer exists; thereofre attack your enemy with your strenghts. This is what both sides are doing. the GWI showed that you hit with overwhelming firepower, do not attempt to fight on an even footing; your own people become at risk.

I didn't suggest an even footing, I'm suggesting that Israel's overwhelming air superiority could be more effectively stopping the rocket attacks on their country by focusing their efforts on the rockets being prepared to be launched from and trucks carrying them.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

repeat: Everyone. In. Lebanon. Loves. Hezbollah.

That is utter BS, Hezbollah has minotry support in Lebanon, the majorty would like them gone but don't have the power to accomplish the task.

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Israel's closest enemy in the region is Hezbollah. No other neighboring country ever countributed into destroying Hezbollah before this.

Israel never made an honest effort request other country to countribute help.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742

"Them" is all of them. The entire Muslim world needs to be reformed because of their support of terrorism, which is not confined to some "radical" element, but is very mainstream

way to generalize a group of people, typical

They generalized themselves for us.

http://www.islam.com/reply.asp?id=771642&ct=3&mn=771642