Thank you Microsoft

[DAPUNISHER]

Wait till the suckers find out updates can't be turned off. Nothing can go wrong there.

They have learned it is SNAFU, so they released a tool to give you some control over updates. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

 

[Svnla]

I am using Win7 Home Premium and I will wait for a while (have until June of 2016) for all the dust settle down and see if/when I will jump onto the W10 bandwagon.

 

[Aharami]

just upgraded the HTPC and SP3 to win 10 clean installs. Highly impressed with the ease of upgrade/clean install via USB. Liking it so far. Supposedly there are still some issues with Lightroom/Photoshop 6 and win10. I'll hold off on upgrading the main PC for now

 

[gothamhunter]

Wait till the suckers find out updates can't be turned off. Nothing can go wrong there.

Except I turned mine off and set it to notify me before updating. Man I love it when FUD is spread around.

 

[Eug]

just upgraded the HTPC and SP3 to win 10 clean installs. Highly impressed with the ease of upgrade/clean install via USB. Liking it so far. Supposedly there are still some issues with Lightroom/Photoshop 6 and win10. I'll hold off on upgrading the main PC for now

What are the Photoshop 6 issues? I did some very light Photoshop 5 stuff in Win 10 and it worked no problem. I don't have Lightroom though.

 

[AdamK47]

Edit: Wrong thread.

 

[quikah]

Disabling some of that stuff is pointless unless you're super paranoid.

Besides, you're probably agreeing to an even worse privacy policy if you take the guys advice and install/use Chrome instead of the Edge browser.

It recommends turning off Smartscreen Filter for apps. That is just irresponsible.

 

[FeuerFrei]

I'm not interested in Windows 10 unless it's locked down from communication with Microsoft other than to grab updates. But no auto-updates. I won't grant Microsoft license to upload whatever code they like, whenever they want, with impunity and zero oversight.

Windows, firewall thyself.

 

[Nebor]

just upgraded the HTPC and SP3 to win 10 clean installs. Highly impressed with the ease of upgrade/clean install via USB. Liking it so far. Supposedly there are still some issues with Lightroom/Photoshop 6 and win10. I'll hold off on upgrading the main PC for now

So my understanding is that you have to do an upgrade install to windows 10, and then you can do a clean install?

 

[disappoint]

It's almost certainly a technical reason. I thought Microsoft would come up with a compelling marketing "reason."

Basically, there's a significant chance that some legacy software will see your Windows version starts with a "9" and assume it's 95/98/9X...breaking compatibility even though the same piece of legacy software had worked fine with XP/Vista/7/8.x before.

How bad of a software developer do you have to be to write code that can't tell 9 from 95 or 98?

If (9==95)
//this code won't run lol
//mostly because it's a comment tho
//roflcopter
else {
9=95;
int lol=1/0;
}
//no code necessary beyond this point
//user should have blue screen of lol by now

 

[spacejamz]

So my understanding is that you have to do an upgrade install to windows 10, and then you can do a clean install?

Yes...The Windows installation will be 'maintained' somewhere so when you activate your license, the key will be tied to your machine. Something during the upgrade process will register your machine during the activation process. If you do the clean install first, it won't activate properly. At least that is what I gathered so far...

 

[tortillasoup]

How bad of a software developer do you have to be to write code that can't tell 9 from 95 or 98?

If (9==95)
//this code won't run lol
//mostly because it's a comment tho
//roflcopter
else {
9=95;
int lol=1/0;
}
//no code necessary beyond this point
//user should have blue screen of lol by now

Maybe because they figured some software would look for 9X like 95/98 or something to that effect. Don't want software thinking you're using Windows 95/98.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Just listened to your song.

booya

How'd that end up on your playlist?

 

[CZroe]

booya

How'd that end up on your playlist?

Bought the CD, ripped it, and it came up on shuffle. Get out of my music library!

 

[spacejamz]

Yes...The Windows installation will be 'maintained' somewhere so when you activate your license, the key will be tied to your machine. Something during the upgrade process will register your machine during the activation process. If you do the clean install first, it won't activate properly. At least that is what I gathered so far...

Better explanation here:

http://www.howtogeek.com/224342/how-to-clean-install-windows-10/

When you upgrade a Windows 7 or 8.1 system to Windows 10, the installer confirms that you have a “genuine Windows” system installed and activates your computer for use with Windows 10. Note that you don’t actually get a Windows 10 product key — instead, your computer’s hardware is registered with Microsoft’s servers. When you install Windows 10 on that PC again in the future, it will check in with Microsoft’s servers, confirm it’s installed on a registered PC, and automatically activate itself.

If you don’t take advantage of the upgrade process first, this registration will never happen. There’s no way to enter a Windows 7 or 8.1 key into the Windows 10 installer, nor is there some sort of web form that will give you a Windows 10 key if you provide your Windows 7 or 8.1 key. Sorry — you’ll have to upgrade to Windows 10 before you can perform a clean install.

 

[matricks]

How bad of a software developer do you have to be to write code that can't tell 9 from 95 or 98?

If (9==95)
//this code won't run lol
//mostly because it's a comment tho
//roflcopter
else {
9=95;
int lol=1/0;
}
//no code necessary beyond this point
//user should have blue screen of lol by now

More like:

if(System.getProperty("os.name").startsWith("Windows 9")) {
            System.out.println("This is Windows 95 or 98, everything is good");
            runProgram();
        }
        else {
            System.out.println("THIS HAS NOT BEEN TESTED, MUST NOT RUN, WILL KILL KITTENS");
            System.exit(1);
        }

Average ATOT users won't have these kind of problems, because we are capable of finding alternative software on the Internet. On the other hand there are loads of small businesses (and some bigger ones) that at some point acquired custom software written to address their needs, or just some old software that no one maintains because it addresses the business case in a fundamentally wrong way. Or some in-house guy who mashed the keyboard and made random edits until he ended up with a running VB 4.0 program that somehow became invaluable in a flawed workflow. This kind of software isn't replaced/rewritten in a modern approach until it is impossible to run it, and virtualization pushes that further into the future.

Lots of programs do OS version checks for no apparent reason.

On to the thank yous, I would like to thank Microsoft for the Windows+X menu introduced in Windows 8. Hands down the best thing about that version. And thank you for doing all the things you have done to spread Windows+X to as many computers as possible, including making Windows 10 appealing to some of the 8-haters, and making it free. This shortcut key saves me so much time whenever someone needs computer help over the phone. All the useful tools in Windows built into a single menu.

Also, I've used Windows 8.1 since its release, and used 7 since it's RC days before that. No classic shell, no start menu messing, no nothing. I don't get how so many people can't figure out that it isn't much different from 7, apart from Windows+X. This is shortcut key master race, signing off.

 

[purbeast0]

yeah because doing ...

if(System.getProperty("os.name").equals("Windows 95) || 
   System.getProperty("os.name").equals("Windows 98))

is so hard to do...

until i see MS say this is specifically why they skipped 9, i'm going to call this a stupid facebook/chainmail/clickbait reason as to why people think there is no windows 9. this reason simply makes no sense unless every developer who made applications for windows back in the 90's hadn't graduated highschool yet.

if i had to take a guess, i'd figure it is purely marketing to compete with apple and OSX, so they are both on the number 10 now.

 

[matricks]

It is a rumor started in social media, no doubt about it. The fact that it is a rumor does not make it false, however. It is a fact that there are loads of badly written software that actually matters to someone.

 

[Renob]

I'm loving Win 10.

what he said, I have been on a Nokia 1520 running win 8 for two years and love it I'm very much digging how 10 feels like an old friend woot

 

[Phoenix86]

Does it really matter 9 vs. 10? I mean it's interesting, but some of you guys are thinking a bit too much on this one.

 

[purbeast0]

It is a rumor started in social media, no doubt about it. The fact that it is a rumor does not make it false, however. It is a fact that there are loads of badly written software that actually matters to someone.

that is some retarded logic right there.

maybe you were one of these programmers

 

[Ichinisan]

More like:

if(System.getProperty("os.name").startsWith("Windows 9")) {
            System.out.println("This is Windows 95 or 98, everything is good");
            runProgram();
        }
        else {
            System.out.println("THIS HAS NOT BEEN TESTED, MUST NOT RUN, WILL KILL KITTENS");
            System.exit(1);
        }

Average ATOT users won't have these kind of problems, because we are capable of finding alternative software on the Internet. On the other hand there are loads of small businesses (and some bigger ones) that at some point acquired custom software written to address their needs, or just some old software that no one maintains because it addresses the business case in a fundamentally wrong way. Or some in-house guy who mashed the keyboard and made random edits until he ended up with a running VB 4.0 program that somehow became invaluable in a flawed workflow. This kind of software isn't replaced/rewritten in a modern approach until it is impossible to run it, and virtualization pushes that further into the future.

Lots of programs do OS version checks for no apparent reason.

On to the thank yous, I would like to thank Microsoft for the Windows+X menu introduced in Windows 8. Hands down the best thing about that version. And thank you for doing all the things you have done to spread Windows+X to as many computers as possible, including making Windows 10 appealing to some of the 8-haters, and making it free. This shortcut key saves me so much time whenever someone needs computer help over the phone. All the useful tools in Windows built into a single menu.

Also, I've used Windows 8.1 since its release, and used 7 since it's RC days before that. No classic shell, no start menu messing, no nothing. I don't get how so many people can't figure out that it isn't much different from 7, apart from Windows+X. This is shortcut key master race, signing off.

I can do most of the Win+X stuff through the Run menu (Win+R). Though Win+X makes it easier for >=Win8, Win+R works for every 32-bit/64-bit Windows desktop OS.

 

[Eug]

http://www.howtogeek.com/224342/how-to-clean-install-windows-10/

When you upgrade a Windows 7 or 8.1 system to Windows 10, the installer confirms that you have a “genuine Windows” system installed and activates your computer for use with Windows 10. Note that you don’t actually get a Windows 10 product key — instead, your computer’s hardware is registered with Microsoft’s servers. When you install Windows 10 on that PC again in the future, it will check in with Microsoft’s servers, confirm it’s installed on a registered PC, and automatically activate itself.

If you don’t take advantage of the upgrade process first, this registration will never happen. There’s no way to enter a Windows 7 or 8.1 key into the Windows 10 installer, nor is there some sort of web form that will give you a Windows 10 key if you provide your Windows 7 or 8.1 key. Sorry — you’ll have to upgrade to Windows 10 before you can perform a clean install.

When does this registration occur? I would think that it is registered before the Win 10 update even is performed. However, what happens if the update fails and it reverts back to the previous OS? Is the machine still registered as a valid Win 10 machine?

The reason I ask is because Windows 10 refuses to complete the install on one of my machines. I'm assuming one must actually complete the update first in order to do a clean install (for free).

 

[Eug]

if i had to take a guess, i'd figure it is purely marketing to compete with apple and OSX, so they are both on the number 10 now.

Yeah, 10 just sounds and looks nicer. I guess that's also why El Capitan is 10.11 and not 11.

 

[Aharami]

What are the Photoshop 6 issues? I did some very light Photoshop 5 stuff in Win 10 and it worked no problem. I don't have Lightroom though.

dont really what the PS issues were, but a lot were saying that LR6 catalogs were disappearing once upgraded to win10. Most likely a permissions issue. But I'll wait till it is resolved.