Thank you

[Lazarus52980]

I have posted here many times asking for help with training my 8 year old son. While competing was never our intention, this morning we had an opportunity to compete in the AAU junior Olympics and Timmy set a world record of 58kg for the 66lb 8-9 year old bracket. That would not have happened without help from many of the posters here, and I wanted to say thank you so very much.

Special thanks to Koing and sociallychallenged for putting up with all my crap and posts.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Congrats!

 

[Lazarus52980]

Congrats!

Thank you ��

 

[blackdogdeek]

Congratulations!

 

[z1ggy]

I'm guessing squat or deadlift?? Either way, pretty sweet...

 

[Koing]

Good job.

I'd personally get him to a weightlifting club and have the coach work with him. I'm obviously biased towards weightlifting over powerlifting

Koing

 

[Lazarus52980]

I'm guessing squat or deadlift?? Either way, pretty sweet...

DOH! Squat was the record. Just about to start the bench press section. Going for about 70 lbs.

 

[Lazarus52980]

Good job.

I'd personally get him to a weightlifting club and have the coach work with him. I'm obviously biased towards weightlifting over powerlifting

Koing

lol, I thought you might say something like that. ��

I would never want to give up the time we spend together. Will he be as strong as he could? No, I doubt it. But his and my relationship will be stronger. ��

 

[SP33Demon]

Congrats friend. Your son is very strong.

 

[TallBill]

That's an awesome lift!

 

[Koing]

lol, I thought you might say something like that. ��

I would never want to give up the time we spend together. Will he be as strong as he could? No, I doubt it. But his and my relationship will be stronger. ��

He may like weightlifting more? He may hate it? Doesn't mean you can't try weightlifting out as well.

It's just one of those things. I don't really play table tennis, badminton or squash but I play tennis every week

Koing

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Holy crap, almost 2x body weight at 8 years of age. That's awesome. Just make sure that form is stellar! I don't want to hear about his old man joints when he's 15

Big congrats!

 

[Lazarus52980]

He may like weightlifting more? He may hate it? Doesn't mean you can't try weightlifting out as well.

It's just one of those things. I don't really play table tennis, badminton or squash but I play tennis every week

Koing

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to Olympic lifting at all. It's just that it's a lot more complicated than powerlifting (from my perspective) and I would need to put a lot of effort into learning it myself before I could ever consider stating teaching it (unless I spammed AT: H&F with videos every week for like... a year. No one wants that).

Even putting the relationship aspect aside, I do not have the time to bring him to practice multiple days a week all the time. I have too many other children, and things going on (plus $$).

Do you have any advice on the best way to go about learning the Olympic lifts (again, for ME to learn them)

 

[Lazarus52980]

Holy crap, almost 2x body weight at 8 years of age. That's awesome. Just make sure that form is stellar! I don't want to hear about his old man joints when he's 15

Big congrats!

This was the most recent video that I took of him. To be fair we didn't get low enough on this one (which is why we didn't do that much weight at the competition) but it should give you an idea of his form when he is pushing to the very max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7PGa33sKk&feature=youtu.be

 

[Pantlegz]

This was the most recent video that I took of him. To be fair we didn't get low enough on this one (which is why we didn't do that much weight at the competition) but it should give you an idea of his form when he is pushing to the very max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP7PGa33sKk&feature=youtu.be

His back rounds a lot more than I would be comfortable with. He's also got what I would consider a very narrow stance and I've been told I squat pretty narrow.

Still a very impressive lift. Good work!

 

[Lazarus52980]

His back rounds a lot more than I would be comfortable with. He's also got what I would consider a very narrow stance and I've been told I squat pretty narrow.

Still a very impressive lift. Good work!

Yeah, the width of the stance was one of the things we had to change in the 2 weeks leading up to that competition. It's better now (hence why he was able to complete the lift and get credited with it).

This is why I come to say "thank you". I'm NOT a very good coach without this sort of advice.

Truth be told, we have never been that big into 1RM lifting. I much prefer sets of 8-12. We will be going back to them starting tonight. (And since I will not be able to make it to VA for the next Olympics, we most likely will not be going back to 1RM work anytime soon).

 

[Koing]

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to Olympic lifting at all. It's just that it's a lot more complicated than powerlifting (from my perspective) and I would need to put a lot of effort into learning it myself before I could ever consider stating teaching it (unless I spammed AT: H&F with videos every week for like... a year. No one wants that).

Even putting the relationship aspect aside, I do not have the time to bring him to practice multiple days a week all the time. I have too many other children, and things going on (plus $$).

Do you have any advice on the best way to go about learning the Olympic lifts (again, for ME to learn them)

The best option is you get some coaching and bring your son along. Just take him once a week if you can. You can do things at home. The next best option is watching and learning from videos and then books. If you post a video I'd help you out. Just create one thread and put videos in there and I'd take it out.

You don't need to go 3-4x a week at this age. Just get him down once a week to start with. Learning technique will be very important. He is already strong BS 2x bw! He has a bright future if he enjoys it and continues.

Koing

 

[Lazarus52980]

The best option is you get some coaching and bring your son along. Just take him once a week if you can. You can do things at home. The next best option is watching and learning from videos and then books. If you post a video I'd help you out. Just create one thread and put videos in there and I'd take it out.

You don't need to go 3-4x a week at this age. Just get him down once a week to start with. Learning technique will be very important. He is already strong BS 2x bw! He has a bright future if he enjoys it and continues.

Koing

Do you have a particular video (ideally youtube) that you could recommend?

 

[z1ggy]

The best option is you get some coaching and bring your son along. Just take him once a week if you can. You can do things at home. The next best option is watching and learning from videos and then books. If you post a video I'd help you out. Just create one thread and put videos in there and I'd take it out.

You don't need to go 3-4x a week at this age. Just get him down once a week to start with. Learning technique will be very important. He is already strong BS 2x bw! He has a bright future if he enjoys it and continues.

Koing

I totally can agree with this. I had a weight lifting coach when I was 13, and although I am not really that strong for my weight, I think I have pretty good form on all my lifts (although I think my cleans have slipped a bit b/c of forearm flexibility). I found it very very helpful to have this training as a kid.

 

[Lazarus52980]

If it makes a difference, we already to power cleans using the teachings of Mark Rippetoe, so I don't feel like adding the jerk to that will be too challenging. The snatch seems like a very different animal...

 

[SociallyChallenged]

His back rounds a lot more than I would be comfortable with. He's also got what I would consider a very narrow stance and I've been told I squat pretty narrow.

Still a very impressive lift. Good work!

I agree with this statement. I know it's a 1RM lift, but any lumbar rounding is pretty much unacceptable in my book (especially considering I deal with injured strength athletes frequently). My suggestions would be to work on him maintaining a neutral spine through a smaller range of motion, stop him when he rounds. When he gets more familiar with what he has to do, he can go lower and lower until he's at full depth. He may do just fine with lighter weights, but I'd even practice with reduce ROM squats with heavy weight - not for the strength part, but for the coordination and stability part. Plus, there's not a downside to him being used to having a heavy bar on his back. Psychologically, there's a huge morale boost when you know you've unracked more than you're squatting in a meet.

 

[Lazarus52980]

We're not really planning to go back to anything lower than 8 reps a set, but given the advice here, I will record his 3rd set of squats tomorrow (it will be a set of 9 at 110 lbs) and you can feel free to help/critique. Would that work for all involved? (it will be a new thread).

 

[SociallyChallenged]

We're not really planning to go back to anything lower than 8 reps a set, but given the advice here, I will record his 3rd set of squats tomorrow (it will be a set of 9 at 110 lbs) and you can feel free to help/critique. Would that work for all involved? (it will be a new thread).

Yessir. I think it would be a good idea.

 

[Koing]

If it makes a difference, we already to power cleans using the teachings of Mark Rippetoe, so I don't feel like adding the jerk to that will be too challenging. The snatch seems like a very different animal...

The Jerk is a very hard movement in reality. It seems easy but when you try to do something approaching heavy it is not easy.

The Power Clean is also a very different animal compared to a full clean.

The Sn is the hard to get going as it requires a lot of flexibility and everything to get working.

I'd look at Tommy Kono videos on youtube but I haven't really searched for anything online I'm ages.

Koing