Oh no, I'm sure. Just that to say it's better than a traditional computer at education is... quite a bold statement, and would require a lot of backing.
On top of that 14 iPads simply isn't enough in my opinions, unless only very privileged classrooms would be able to use them.
You ain't seen nothin' yet...
We cannot afford iPads for the rest of our users, especially if the lowest unit price we can get is $479. The best product for one section of our users is the iPad... not necessarily the best for the other two.
From my own experience with an iPad, it took 2 years for certain things to be implemented, and in the end, a computer was still far more useful. At least for college level.
If there is something else I haven't seen beside textbooks, interactive charts, drawing apps, physics simulation, educational games, PDF reader and the web browser, I'd love to see them...
I'm suggesting that the device(s) will be far more useful in the future.
14 just isn't enough to get a discount. Call up Amazon and see what they will do for 14. Probably around $20 also.
You expect a company to take a > 50% margin hit then you are going to have to make that up with some significant volume.
Yes, they are. Just go to the online store and buy them. I'm a teacher and our IT people bought quite a few iPad refurbs for the school, I even bought one myself for personal use. Just call Apple and talk with them, they'll hook you up.
dougp said:I'd still like to know which route the OP went to get his pricing, was it online or via a phone call to a sales rep?
14 just isn't enough to get a discount. Call up Amazon and see what they will do for 14. Probably around $20 also.
You expect a company to take a > 50% margin hit then you are going to have to make that up with some significant volume.
I don't know what your specific uses for the iPads are but do keep in mind the support costs for a mixed environment is higher than for a single device. Even if the initial cost of entry is higher. Either go all Android or go all iOS.
I know we don't see eye to eye at times zsdersw but I'm a firm believer in educating the young'uns. While Apple may be better on the education front (a major reason I'm sticking with iOS), I'd have to seriously ask if it's at all possible you can move entirely to Android without any major consequences. What apps/uses specifically are you using the iPads for that can't be done on Android?
Oh no, I'm sure. Just that to say it's better than a traditional computer at education is... quite a bold statement, and would require a lot of backing.
On top of that 14 iPads simply isn't enough in my opinions, unless only very privileged classrooms would be able to use them.
Again... 14 is just an example. The total we're going to be purchasing is 270 this coming fiscal year, and another 280-300 in each of the next two years. The funding is there this coming fiscal year for iPads, but will be about 20% less for the other years.
This is complete and utter bullshit. I have been in IT for 30 years and I cringe every time I see a 2 year old holding an ipad. Not because its a douchey apple product but because kids are stupid today. Really, kids today aged 10-21 are stupid fucking morons compared to kids that grew up WITHOUT tech. Sure, pull some stats out of your ass that says kids today are smarter because they are passing more tests to day than they were in the 70s and I will say we didnt cheat as much in the 70s like kids are doing today. Phones, watches all sorts of gadgets kids use to cheat today. PLUS, IMO, the testing/learning curve is so fucking easy today. Really, I see the tests and the homework my sons gets as a senior in HS and its literally thet shit I learned in middleschool or evan earlier.
Ok, rant tuned off.
This is complete and utter bullshit. I have been in IT for 30 years and I cringe every time I see a 2 year old holding an ipad. Not because its a douchey apple product but because kids are stupid today. Really, kids today aged 10-21 are stupid fucking morons compared to kids that grew up WITHOUT tech. Sure, pull some stats out of your ass that says kids today are smarter because they are passing more tests to day than they were in the 70s and I will say we didnt cheat as much in the 70s like kids are doing today. Phones, watches all sorts of gadgets kids use to cheat today. PLUS, IMO, the testing/learning curve is so fucking easy today. Really, I see the tests and the homework my sons gets as a senior in HS and its literally thet shit I learned in middleschool or evan earlier.
Ok, rant tuned off.
14 was just an example to illustrate the ridiculousness of only offering a discount in quantities evenly divisible by 10.
We're going to be purchasing a total of 270. If we purchased 275 or 326 we'd be paying full retail for any beyond the 10-packs... and that's pretty stupid.
We're moving toward 1-to-1 computing, where each student has a computing device that they can use both in and out of school.
We're also moving toward "the cloud" with Google Apps.
Hve you tried informing them that there is a statistic that can't be ingnored? Computer uses in schools has risen steadily over the last 20 years. Overall grades and graduation rates for most districts has fallen in the same time frame.
Stop wasting money on toys. I'm all for gadgets and gizmos, but using iPads for school? That's a joke.
Chill it down, guys. zsdersw, if you could tone down the attitude that would help. And the rest of you, please keep it civil.
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Again... 14 is just an example. The total we're going to be purchasing is 270 this coming fiscal year, and another 280-300 in each of the next two years. The funding is there this coming fiscal year for iPads, but will be about 20% less for the other years.
Traditional computers have limits. They're also going to be playing a much smaller role in the world they're going to enter after graduating. If we're going to educate children for the future, a netbook/ultraportable laptop or traditional computer isn't necessarily the best basic platform.
http://mashable.com/2011/05/16/tablets-education/
http://edutechdebate.org/tablet-com...-impact-of-ipads-on-education-one-year-later/
The traditional PC will still have a role in education... for a long time. We're not getting rid of our desktops and laptops.
a few years ago, dell went into my kids school and set up computing labs with 50ish work stations, printer for each row and scanners in the back. they also gave every classroom 5 laptops for the students and 1 for the teacher. they worked with the district on getting their wifi set up as well. all donated. why? im sure the replacement value and maintenance was worth far more than the actual stuff they donated to the district.
totally irrelevant anecdote, but hey... if you work for a district, use some of that name muscle to call apple directly and see if they will work a deal with you. i do 95% of my work with municipalities, and when they have a dell account we piggyback on their credentials. my reseller prices are crushed when compared to the deals dell gives them. mebbe apple will do the same.