WelshBloke
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Maybe you should start a petition or something....
Maybe he could link his thread in his sig?
Maybe you should start a petition or something....
It's quite different in education. It's been my experience that Apple is the least flexible, the highest priced, and the most restrictive.
ipad an iphone are the cash cows. i bought a macbook with an education discount but there is no discount for iphones and ipads.
but try dealing with IBM or Oracle. we have a product that IBM bought years ago. we just licensed it again last year. turns out the new version we have is missing a piece that was in prior versions and now it's going to cause a lot more dev time.
one company i've dealt with that sells tape libraries tried to tell us that we would have to buy their overpriced branded LTO-4 tapes in order to get full support.
i'll take dealing with apple and microsoft over almost any other company any day.
Sparkly icons and widgets that grade schoolers are drawn to like a moth to a flame?
I jest, I jest...
but look at it, it's a fantastic learning device!
It is, actually.
But not fantastic enough to pay what they are asking?
CDW is the biggest reseller, so what? Apple's policies are not targeted at the reseller or school district, but to purchasers with the intent to resell. I actually stated Apple is ineffectual in both enterprise and educational institution sales. I believe there's certainly room for improvement here under Tim Cook's leadership.Restrictions to prevent resale/export? This isn't some fly-by-night, mom-and-pop operation... it's CDW. It's also not just iPads... it's just about everything with the Apple logo on it.
The financial risks that major vendors like CDW would face if they ever violated Apple's restrictions makes it very much in retailers' interests to avoid such violations.
It is disturbing that someone in the k12 education business cannot see the link between the cost of the ipad and WHY it is a fantastic learning device.
The people who created the ipad, and the people who create the software for it, are in business to make innovative, quality products that people want and work really well.
For the most part, the rest of the industry is trying to make money by avoiding the cost of innovation and just copy what they can. They aren't driven by the same goal, their goal is profit or market share. That doesn't lead to quality.
btw, does resale value have a place in your calculations ? I would think ipads have a much better resale value, if that's an option.
Apple figured out a long time ago that there's more $ to be made selling to consumers, why should they cut their own throats to sell to corporations or education?
The real reason they won't cut their margins is because there's no need for them to do so.
So why don't you just go with IPAD"1"'s? a whole lot cheaper and does everything the Ipad2's does.
Mopetar said:The real reason they won't cut their margins is because there's no need for them to do so.
Exactly.
It is disturbing that someone in the k12 education business cannot see the link between the cost of the ipad and WHY it is a fantastic learning device.
CDW is the biggest reseller, so what? Apple's policies are not targeted at the reseller or school district, but to purchasers with the intent to resell. I actually stated Apple is ineffectual in both enterprise and educational institution sales. I believe there's certainly room for improvement here under Tim Cook's leadership.
Now I don't do any K-12 buying, but Apple certainly treats the iPad more strictly than other products. Like you said, CDW doesn't want to lose its Apple account so it has to play by the rules. It's unfortunate that you feel snared in the net, and that isn't a defense of Apple.
If I was unclear, let me connect the dots. While neither CDW or a school district is in the business of exporting Apple products to other markets, it's conceivable that some individuals would do so. The reason is quite simple, Apple products prevailing prices in many parts of the world are higher than the equivalent in U.S. dollars. In short, their reseller policies exist to prevent a person from acquiring U.S. SKUs and selling them at a nifty profit in Brazil or China, for example. I'm sure you understand the difference between CDW, an authorized reseller vs. a small business that's exporting goods to another country or continent.Purchasers with the intent to resell... is that CDW? If not, why treat them like they are? The distinction you're trying to create doesn't make any sense as you worded it.
Yes, there is indeed a lot of room for improvement. And we've communicated as much to Tim Cook.
While I haven't dealt with K-12 procurement specifically, I'm familiar enough with Apple authorized resellers to know the iPad is more restrictive than Macs or iPods. Can't you get 10 Macs from your CDW account manager with some modest percentage off?It's not just the iPad that has these restrictions.
If I was unclear, let me connect the dots. While neither CDW or a school district is in the business of exporting Apple products to other markets, it's conceivable that some individuals would do so. The reason is quite simple, Apple products prevailing prices in many parts of the world are higher than the equivalent in U.S. dollars. In short, their reseller policies exist to prevent a person from acquiring U.S. SKUs and selling them at a nifty profit in Brazil or China, for example. I'm sure you understand the difference between CDW, an authorized reseller vs. a small business that's exporting goods to another country or continent.
While I haven't dealt with K-12 procurement specifically, I'm familiar enough with Apple authorized resellers to know the iPad is more restrictive than Macs or iPods. Can't you get 10 Macs from your CDW account manager with some modest percentage off?
Not to absolve Apple of responsibility to improve its enterprise and edu sales, but it's subjective for a customer to bemoan lackluster bid pricing. While you may well have a valid complaint here, at what point are you satisfied? 8% off, 15% off? What's the cut-off point where Apple gets to decide how it chooses to price its own products?
shouldn't OP be an email to Apple and not another ATOT bashing thread?
Not to absolve Apple of responsibility to improve its enterprise and edu sales, but it's subjective for a customer to bemoan lackluster bid pricing. While you may well have a valid complaint here, at what point are you satisfied? 8% off, 15% off? What's the cut-off point where Apple gets to decide how it chooses to price its own products?
Is akugami a hedge fund manager w/ a large block of Apple shares? How does he decide that $50 off per unit is a reasonable discount for a bulk iPad purchase order?
help me understand this, why should apple give you a break on ipad pricing?
they are not willing to budge on price because they obviously have no problem moving them at the current price, supply and demand. other reason being brand dilution, the ipad is a premium product, selling them for substantially below the MSRP dilutes their brand value.
Why do you think the other android tablet makers are so eager to work on price? It's certainly not out of the goodness of their hearts, nobody wants to leave money on the table, but they simply can't compete with the iPad, except on pricing.
feel free to go with android tablets, I'm sure apple's not missing your business.