I probably know more about Tesla and follow them more closely than 99% of the people here. I have $400,000+ reasons why I follow the progress and everything Tesla.I mean I was only talking about the truck and the quote " I fully trust them, and they will deliver a truck that’s just as good if not better than the current specs." Which certainly indicates a certain level of belief.
But your passage above indicates more. That owners love the cars regardless of reliability indicates that owners are not eating their experience in an objective way.
We definitely need to take ownership bias into account.Why? Because the number of times your car is in the shop is the only legitimate factor which affects user satisfaction? When was that established as the singular factor affecting how much an owner likes her car?
We definitely need to take ownership bias into account.
Of course.All cars brands have biased fan boys. Lots of people select a car based on "bias."
Of course.
I'm certainly not saying that, I just wonder about "customer satisfaction" for any company, really. As soon as someone buys something expensive our minds immediately start making excuses for anything that goes wrong to protect us from feeling like we've been had. I'd trust independent reviews more than customer satisfaction surveys for anything.Right, and if you think that Tesla owners have stronger bias because the cars are EV's, as opposed to other cars which have had decades with which to build a fan base, you're going to have to substantiate that.
You may be conflating "bias" with something that is an inherent and very real property of EV's - the fact that you're paying ~$25/month for electrical recharging instead of ~$250/month for gas, or ~$125 for gas if you own a hybrid. People like not paying for gas, especially here in CA where gas is over $4/gallon because of high gas taxes (meaning the high taxes are having their desired affect.)
And another issue which is easy to conflate with bias - that Tesla owners like the fact that their cars aren't polluting the environment and contributing to climate change nearly as much as gas powered or hybrids. That isn't bias either - it's a very real property of the vehicle that can legitimately contribute to owner satisfaction. Which suggests that when there are 5 other alternative EV's to Tesla, that instead of seeing a dramatic drop in Tesla satisfaction, you might instead see Tesla and all the other EV's having higher user satisfaction than all the gas powered and hybrid cars. That's not a product of bias unless you think that accepting what the scientific community is telling us about climate changed is bias.
If you choose to believe that high satisfaction is a product of bias in the case of Tesla but not (or less so) in the case of other vehicles, you sound like the mirror image of the fan boy. For my part, when lots of people say they like their car, I tend to take them at their word.
I'm certainly not saying that, I just wonder about "customer satisfaction" for any company, really. As soon as someone buys something expensive our minds immediately start making excuses for anything that goes wrong to protect us from feeling like we've been had. I'd trust independent reviews more than customer satisfaction surveys for anything.
I probably know more about Tesla and follow them more closely than 99% of the people here. I have $400,000+ reasons why I follow the progress and everything Tesla.
Have you ever visited a tesla owners forum?Right, and if you think that Tesla owners have stronger bias because the cars are EV's, as opposed to other cars which have had decades with which to build a fan base, you're going to have to substantiate that.
How is that not the definition of biased in the context that I used it. Owners are biased of Tesla's reliability because it's offering them something that they can't get elsewhere. In your example, greener emissions and lower overall expenditures in a pure EV. That is the exact definition of biased. But you're using the word biased and applying a negative connotation. I don't feel that just because people are looking over issues that they normally would not some how makes that bad. It just gives abnormal results, just like that second article posted implies...paradox.
In regards to the 5 competitors being at the top of the charts and Tesla not losing ground, I thought the first part was implied? Obviously if Tesla is doing this well now in satisfaction, then 5 like competitors aren't going to drop it to the bottom of the ICE list. It would drop it to the bottom of the like competitor list. Which I absolutely 100% feel would happen assuming Tesla was stagnate in addressing quality issues. They aren't but it's a hypothetical what if anyway. Once people have like choices then they'll be much pickier.
For that statement to hold true....you would need to provide examples of other brands with very high satisfaction ratings but low reliability ratings. Perhaps they exist? Maybe Range Rover? And like I already mentioned, the Model 3 is noted to have much better reliability than previous models but the satisfaction ratings were very high BEFORE this model was released and related to the prior models.
In the end it doesn't matter that much as Tesla will have fixed most of their major issues well before there are even 2 like competitors on the market let alone half a dozen.
It’s not a secret I’m invested in Tesla stock. My only regret is I didn’t drink the Kool Aid sooner. I thought for sure EV wouldn’t catch on and Tesla would for sure go bankrupt and fail. Same with SpaceX. But now I’m convinced Tesla is going to rule the world and become the most valuable company in the next 20 years.I was wondering if there was a share price thing in this enthusiastic sharing of the cyber trucks details!
It’s not a secret I’m invested in Tesla stock. My only regret is I didn’t drink the Kool Aid sooner. I thought for sure EV wouldn’t catch on and Tesla would for sure go bankrupt and fail. Same with SpaceX. But now I’m convinced Tesla is going to rule the world and become the most valuable company in the next 20 years.
Its less about "ugly" (which honestly I think for trucks people prefer ugly), its that it looks similar to the design I did for a high school shop class, all sharp angles and . It is bafflingly basic with regards to design, and in a way that makes no sense (i.e. the design isn't "rugged" for the sake of appearing rugged). The point at the rooftop for instance is just bizarre. Its not like you couldn't round or square it off and make it still look rugged). It seems to have been done for some aero, but pretty sure that's not optimal aerodynamically, and while I guess that weird bed cover slides up there, its not like they couldn't round that off. Which would be better for practicality (more rear passenger headroom, higher bed cover).
And other bits about it just makes me feel like they let some weird version of Homer design it.
Tesla vehicles tend to live up to their specs. I’m sold because I know the history of Tesla. I fully trust them, and they will deliver a truck that’s just as good if not better than the current specs.
It may well fit your definition of the word "bias" but it has nothing to do with any dictionary definition or other real world use of that word I've heard. When somebody likes something because of one or more real properties of that thing which are of legitimate value, that isn't bias. Bias isn't based on reason. It's based on emotion. It's liking the image of something or the mere idea of it, but having little to do with the reality of it. Or being partisan like AMD v. Intel and always only buying one brand regardless of which one is better in the current generation.
There are a lot of people satisfied with their BMW that has poor reliability and expensive as hell to repair. While there are a ton of people that would be very unhappy with a Prius that is extremely dependable.I mean I was only talking about the truck and the quote " I fully trust them, and they will deliver a truck that’s just as good if not better than the current specs." Which certainly indicates a certain level of belief.
But your passage above indicates more. That owners love the cars regardless of reliability indicates that owners are not eating their experience in an objective way.
Yesterday, the pedo guy lost his $190 million defamation lawsuit against Elon Musk. Gold digger pedo asshole got exactly what he deserved. $0.The British diver is no saint. He's the one who first instigated it. Musk just fired back. The exchange basically boiled down to two people calling each other names like a fight at the playground. If you punch someone out of the blue, you have to expect punch back. Maybe that's what the British guy was counting on.
Cue lots of people defaming Musk and watching him explode on twitter!Yesterday, the pedo guy lost his $190 million defamation lawsuit against Elon Musk. Gold digger pedo asshole got exactly what he deserved. $0.
Me too. $420 is nothing. I have way bigger plans. But at least we can reflect and pay tribute to all the burning shorts. I mean, I'm going have to thank the shorts for paying for my free Cybertruck tri-motor, Solarglass roof, Powerwalls, and more.@247 that would net me 70%.
Still holding though.
Me too. $420 is nothing. I have way bigger plans. But at least we can reflect and pay tribute to all the burning shorts. I mean, I'm going have to thank the shorts for paying for my free Cybertruck tri-motor, Solarglass roof, Powerwalls, and more.
Elon is all in too.
@247 that would net me 70%.
Still holding though.
Why do I get the feeling @Blackjack200 is never going to show his face in this thread again?Don't worry, I'm still here and I'll be here again when it all comes crashing down.