That day Elon Musk almost certainly committed a felony... (yesterday)

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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Because he probably gets off on fucking over the shorts. Which is not illegal.
He plays fast, loose and close to the edge. He was constantly bitching about shorts, to the point that I thought he would pull something like this. Legal who knows. The stock market is educated guess gambling at it's best anyway. I tried to post this earlier than the above post but once again, I'm working with a horribly crippled browser. So they have opened an investigation
. Anybody else shackled with Invincea? Plus a shitty T1 connection. Got to be the biggest rip off in the telecommunications industry. Like $700 a month for 1.5 M access. But it's all we can get cause VPNs suck over Verizon cellular.
Sorry for being off track.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Announcing the news on Twitter is fine. The only way he can get into trouble is if he doesn't any funding secured. At this point, I wouldn't bet against Elon not having the funding.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Pretty damn smart. Using oil to get out of oil before its too late.
Yeah, this is what everyone in Oil should be doing. Exxon could be a powerhouse in renewable right now, if they had invested in it, as opposed to giving massive debt funded dividends.
 
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TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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Cliff notes:

Random forum guy wants to bet against Elon because Elon posted a burn against people who bet against him.

I personally do not invest in individual securities, short or long. I'm a low cost index investor in my 401(k)

Like I said, this dude doesn't know what he's talking about. He's no skin in the game but think's he's going to know better than Elon Musk.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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He plays fast, loose and close to the edge. He was constantly bitching about shorts, to the point that I thought he would pull something like this. Legal who knows. The stock market is educated guess gambling at it's best anyway. I tried to post this earlier than the above post but once again, I'm working with a horribly crippled browser. So they have opened an investigation
. Anybody else shackled with Invincea? Plus a shitty T1 connection. Got to be the biggest rip off in the telecommunications industry. Like $700 a month for 1.5 M access. But it's all we can get cause VPNs suck over Verizon cellular.
Sorry for being off track.

250M fiber for under 100 of your dollar money per month. Of course this is rural area in europe land in one of those "socialist" countries with "free" healthcare boomer loves to hate.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Cliff notes:

Random forum guy wants to bet against Elon because Elon posted a burn against people who bet against him.

Like I said, this dude doesn't know what he's talking about. He's no skin in the game but think's he's going to know better than Elon Musk.

Random forum guy wants to white knight for a shitposting billionaire under SEC investigation.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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Random forum guy wants to white knight for a shitposting billionaire under SEC investigation.

I'm not white knighting. Elon's kind of an ass hole.

I'm pointing out how silly it is for someone in your position to make such accusations as you do.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Is your problem with his claim, or that he did it on twitter?

The issues have been discussed throughout this thread, but they boil down to:

1. The disclosure was made improperly
2. It seems very likely that the disclosure was misleading, and given Musk's statements in the past, likely meant to harm short sellers of his stock.

If Tesla had cited Musk's Twitter feed as a communication channel in their filings, if they had halted trading before the Tweets, and if Musk didn't have anyone blocked on Twitter, it would be a different story. So the issue is not Twitter, the issue is how Musk chose to disclose his intention, and whether he was misleading in making that disclosure.

Those are, incidentally, exactly what the SEC is looking at if you read the WSJ article.
 

KB

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 1999
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I think Musk doesn't get much more than a few million in fines from this, which means he needs to sell a couple more surfboards or blowtorches or maybe ice to Eskimos.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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Smart, not bold. Solar and electric are never going to replace fossil fuels, but instead will add to the overall energy supply. Meanwhile, SA is ideally sited for solar energy production.

You mean they are currently constructing a huge solar electric and storage system that will make far more electricity than they currently consume allowing them to seriously ramp up industrialization, export energy or both.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You mean they are currently constructing a huge solar electric and storage system that will make far more electricity than they currently consume allowing them to seriously ramp up industrialization, export energy or both.

It's pretty much a "mostly-uninhabitable" region of the planet that is quite literally going to become completely uninhabitable within the next several decades...but will be printing $$$$$$$$$ because of the solar production. The real energy people have known this for decades. These invested climate-change deniers have know this, for decades, and have only aggravated their ignorant base of science-hating loons to insure that their cost of restructuring can be as cheap, as slow, and as magnificently profitable as Gawd demanded that it should be.

Why let the blue collar coal miners in WV, that have defended their long-dead industry for 3 decades, while their bosses have long-since fled before that time, know that their livelihood ended 3 decades ago? MAGA!
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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It's pretty much a "mostly-uninhabitable" region of the planet that is quite literally going to become completely uninhabitable within the next several decades...but will be printing $$$$$$$$$ because of the solar production. The real energy people have known this for decades. These invested climate-change deniers have know this, for decades, and have only aggravated their ignorant base of science-hating loons to insure that their cost of restructuring can be as cheap, as slow, and as magnificently profitable as Gawd demanded that it should be.

Why let the blue collar coal miners in WV, that have defended their long-dead industry for 3 decades, while their bosses have long-since fled before that time, know that their livelihood ended 3 decades ago? MAGA!
And now that we are invested in a warmer planet we cant have these idiots slow it down or even reverse the change... It would simply not be good for business.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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And now that we are invested in a warmer planet we cant have these idiots slow it down or even reverse the change... It would simply not be good for business.

Well they already get the sun and the hotter it gets the more inefficient solar panels get. It's not like they can ship the power overseas so what kind of real market will they have in a region that is already hot as balls becoming even hotter than balls and mostly poor? The poor people will need power more than ever but will have a much harder time making money.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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ElonMusk said:
Earlier today, I announced that I’m considering taking Tesla private at a price of $420/share. I wanted to let you know my rationale for this, and why I think this is the best path forward.

First, a final decision has not yet been made, but the reason for doing this is all about creating the environment for Tesla to operate best. As a public company, we are subject to wild swings in our stock price that can be a major distraction for everyone working at Tesla, all of whom are shareholders. Being public also subjects us to the quarterly earnings cycle that puts enormous pressure on Tesla to make decisions that may be right for a given quarter, but not necessarily right for the long-term. Finally, as the most shorted stock in the history of the stock market, being public means that there are large numbers of people who have the incentive to attack the company.

I fundamentally believe that we are at our best when everyone is focused on executing, when we can remain focused on our long-term mission, and when there are not perverse incentives for people to try to harm what we’re all trying to achieve.

This is especially true for a company like Tesla that has a long-term, forward-looking mission. SpaceX is a perfect example: it is far more operationally efficient, and that is largely due to the fact that it is privately held. This is not to say that it will make sense for Tesla to be private over the long-term. In the future, once Tesla enters a phase of slower, more predictable growth, it will likely make sense to return to the public markets.

Here’s what I envision being private would mean for all shareholders, including all of our employees.

First, I would like to structure this so that all shareholders have a choice. Either they can stay investors in a private Tesla or they can be bought out at $420 per share, which is a 20% premium over the stock price following our Q2 earnings call (which had already increased by 16%). My hope is for all shareholders to remain, but if they prefer to be bought out, then this would enable that to happen at a nice premium.

Second, my intention is for all Tesla employees to remain shareholders of the company, just as is the case at SpaceX. If we were to go private, employees would still be able to periodically sell their shares and exercise their options. This would enable you to still share in the growing value of the company that you have all worked so hard to build over time.

Third, the intention is not to merge SpaceX and Tesla. They would continue to have separate ownership and governance structures. However, the structure envisioned for Tesla is similar in many ways to the SpaceX structure: external shareholders and employee shareholders have an opportunity to sell or buy approximately every six months.

Finally, this has nothing to do with accumulating control for myself. I own about 20% of the company now, and I don’t envision that being substantially different after any deal is completed.

Basically, I’m trying to accomplish an outcome where Tesla can operate at its best, free from as much distraction and short-term thinking as possible, and where there is as little change for all of our investors, including all of our employees, as possible.

This proposal to go private would ultimately be finalized through a vote of our shareholders. If the process ends the way I expect it will, a private Tesla would ultimately be an enormous opportunity for all of us. Either way, the future is very bright and we’ll keep fighting to achieve our mission.

Thanks, Elon
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Well they already get the sun and the hotter it gets the more inefficient solar panels get. It's not like they can ship the power overseas so what kind of real market will they have in a region that is already hot as balls becoming even hotter than balls and mostly poor? The poor people will need power more than ever but will have a much harder time making money.

Super high voltage DC transmission will allow the Saudis to export all over Europe. Super conducting transmission is also becoming more piratical. In 30ish years, there will probably be something resembling a world-wide grid, unless someone has figured out fusion by then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_super_grid
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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Super high voltage DC transmission will allow the Saudis to export all over Europe. Super conducting transmission is also becoming more piratical. In 30ish years, there will probably be something resembling a world-wide grid, unless someone has figured out fusion by then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_super_grid

Ok, but it still doesn't change the fact that the hotter it gets the less power they will make and the more unbearable their living conditions will become. They don't need global warming to export energy to Europe.

A worldwide grid would be really cool though.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Apparently the board had no idea about this "funding is secured" claim:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/08/tesla-stock-slumps-as-investors-board-wait-for-buyout-details/

This is looking more like another "he's a pedo" loose cannon moment for Musk.

SpaceX and Tesla have moved the world forward a bit, but perhaps Musk needs either a vacation or someone to check his Twitter messages before they go public.
That's really bad for Musk. The SEC might decide he was trying to manipulate Tesla stock price. As I understand it, they take a pretty dim view of that.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Is he drinking? That pedo comment sure took me by surprise and looking back on that strange conference call that also send the stock south now looks like the beginning of a ramp...
The stress might be catching up to him, he IS pushing 50 after all, 24/7 work on all his companies, Tesla be scrambling, marriage in the shitter.
Dial it back Musk, the world needs you.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Apparently the board had no idea about this "funding is secured" claim:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/08/tesla-stock-slumps-as-investors-board-wait-for-buyout-details/

This is looking more like another "he's a pedo" loose cannon moment for Musk.

SpaceX and Tesla have moved the world forward a bit, but perhaps Musk needs either a vacation or someone to check his Twitter messages before they go public.
That article is just repeating the short narrative with zero sources. Be careful how you read things. There are lot of people betting big money against Musk and Tesla. Hint: If the picture in the article shows unflattering picture of Musk, it's short narrative story 9/10.
 
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