Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Pretty bad when the only thing McCain said in the debate that's talked about afterward is this.
Personally, I'd like to talk about his petty "Did we hear a fine amount?" comment and his from-left-field policy of reducing everyone's mortgage principle at the government's expense.
I for one am VERY interested in said fine, and I think it's more than fair to press him for a specific figure. Everyone expects the nitty gritty of McCain's health care proposals, why can't we ask the same of Obama?
McCain's desire to buy up all the "bad" mortgages terrifies me, and so does Obama's taxing of small businesses.
I'm a small business owner, but I'm the sole employee and I bring in and clear about 100k (no overhead whatsoever), so I'm in no real danger - directly. My father in law, on the other hand, owns a law firm with 8 employees. They bring in over $250,000/year, but I think people are losing sight of revenue != profit. Their firm has been struggling to remain profitable, but when the public hears "it only affects small businesses making over $250,000", they picture Uncle Moneybags running to the bank with a quarter million dollars.
I really think small business taxation is going to hurt us - as a country - a lot. I'll admit I haven't paid much attention to either candidate's health care plan, but McCain's taxation of the $5,000 seems ridiculous.
Neither of these people are what the economy needs right now. I'm comfortable with both with regard to foreign policy, and Obama has certainly impressed me in that regard over the past few weeks.
I'm just rambling at this point... time to hit the reply button.
Small businesses are not taxed (or given breaks based on) revenue. It's how much the business makes, i.e., the profit, which is taxed, or not depending upon the rules.
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: scruffypup
I think it is ridiculous people are focusing on this, people are inferring he wanted to insert a derogatory term there,... that is fantasy and playing the race card once again by those who want an advantage by inferred insults,...
NOONE can say that it was truly inferred, only McCain knows his true feelings and what he meant. I truly felt it was just a lapse of speech where he didn't have the name at mind and spoke in an "easy mannerism" which we all can do,... should a president be ever vigilant towards those lapses,.. yes. But other than a lack of protocal here, there is nothing to be made of it, though people obviously want to make something of it.
It is NO ONE.
No one...not "noone".
Uh oh... the Spelling Police have arrived... everyone straighten up!
Originally posted by: sierrita
For the love of God, grow the hell up, already! Oh, I almost forgot to call you a douche nozzle.
Posted in the future by: sierrita
But jbourne77, browsers such as Firefox automatically check your spelling?! WTF assclown?
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:laugh: Did you not read the post you quoted? :laugh:
In all fairness, I've seen you post about 1,000 times more :laugh:s during this campaign than criticisms of McCain. The reality is that your party has made an awful hash of things over the past 8 years, and McCain was a part of that process (ironically, he fell in with the stupidest White House policies, probably against his own better judgment, in a desire to be elected this year). I guess in that context your perpetual whininess and petulance about this race is unsurprising, since you're (deservedly) on the losing end of this one. Frank Rich did a good job nailing the Republicans on this whininess last week.
As for your party's performance in the debate last night, its cynical selection of a complete moron for VP nominee, and its probable failure on Election Day, allow me to offer my own hearty :laugh:
Originally posted by: insurgent
What's weak about calling out a liar? This thread is about a trivial issue that I couldn't care less, you wanna discuss "important topics" like the adults better check which thread you're on. Liars annoy me, I said what I had in mind.
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: insurgent
What's weak about calling out a liar? This thread is about a trivial issue that I couldn't care less, you wanna discuss "important topics" like the adults better check which thread you're on. Liars annoy me, I said what I had in mind.
If you're attacking CAD simply on the grounds that he doesn't attack McCain as much, he addressed that. Just because you say he's lying to himself doesn't mean he actually is, so forming an argument around that notion is a fallacy.
In a place like AT where Obama support far outweighs McCain support, there's more than enough McCain/Repug bashing going around, but the vast majority of those doing it have turned a blind eye and deaf ear to Obama and the performance of a Democrat-led Congress. This irks folks like myself and, apparently, CAD.
On the other hand, maybe CAD has conservative values and gravitates toward Obama attacks on those grounds. Obama is further from his base of values than McCain is.
Lying has nothing to do with it. It's a baseless attack in an attempt to vilify your opponent.
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: Muse
Neither of these guys is extremely eloquent. They both have trouble glibly coming off with comprehensible proper English sentences. Maybe it's because they've been reading, saying, reiterating pre-conceived campaign sentences for so long, or at least partly. For this reason, the debate was painful to watch. Bill Clinton was the candidate who had melifluous ready English.
I don't know what you were watching - Obama is extraordinarily articulate, and is able to form sentences and even paragraphs incorporating abstract concepts in a planned order meant to enhance their drama, off the top of his head (I'm wary of saying he is truly speaking extemporaneously, since he has clearly been preparing for these debates, but obviously he doesn't know the precise questions to be asked and in many instances framed his answers to respond to answers given by McCain). Clinton might be the ONLY other Presidential candidate in my lifetime who was as naturally skilled (though Reagan was also very effective, for somewhat different reasons).
I guess SP3 didn't actually watch the debate.Originally posted by: her209
NopeOriginally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
McCain wouldn't shake Obama's hand at the end. What a bitter POS.
Really? I thought he did.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=BN_wsMA_LJA
Originally posted by: Druidx
I guess SP3 didn't actually watch the debate.Originally posted by: her209
NopeOriginally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
McCain wouldn't shake Obama's hand at the end. What a bitter POS.
Really? I thought he did.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=BN_wsMA_LJA
From the video, I though it was clear he tapped Obama on the shoulder so he would turn around an shake hands with his wife.
The fake outrage over not shaking someones hand is plain stupid because he did.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=...wVBZRY&feature=related
No, I watched it. I didn't see him shake hands at the end (and still noone has posted a video of this), so what if McCain was tapping his back? If McCain held his hand out and Obama didn't shake it, the Neo's would have been all over it.Originally posted by: Druidx
I guess SP3 didn't actually watch the debate.Originally posted by: her209
NopeOriginally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
McCain wouldn't shake Obama's hand at the end. What a bitter POS.
Really? I thought he did.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=BN_wsMA_LJA
From the video, I though it was clear he tapped Obama on the shoulder so he would turn around an shake hands with his wife.
The fake outrage over not shaking someones hand is plain stupid because he did.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=...wVBZRY&feature=related
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Were some posts deleted in this thread?
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
No, I watched it. I didn't see him shake hands at the end (and still noone has posted a video of this), so what if McCain was tapping his back? If McCain held his hand out and Obama didn't shake it, the Neo's would have been all over it.
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Were some posts deleted in this thread?
feralkid/sierrita's posts, and associated replies.